Rear Axle / Front End Question for Ice racing

[Krandall]

You think though if you put the stud at what woudl be the front of the lug.. where it hits the ground first, you'd want it sitting there as when the lug flexes that's the part that's going to be staying near the ground more vs. the rear of the lug

[SULLY0556]

  Good point,  I'm looking at staggering between the leading edge and closer to the center.  I'm going to really watch the stagger in all directions this time when I set up the rears, last time they were too much alligned and when I'd come off the line my tracks showed 8 destinct grooves which isn't as good.

[SULLY0556]

  I nut every stud on the rears with a plastic nut to hold them in, I've never lost a stud.   Here's some pics from last night, the tires are marked for studding.  Any suggestions?  The fronts will likely need more studs.

Looks good Sully.  Will you be cutting your rear tires?

It was crazy last season looking at tires that had each knob cut on 4 sides to make a pyramid for the studs.  Those guys could pass on the outside when I tried passing & had lots of wheelspin 

   Bert you bastard!   Now you've got me thinking about cutting my rears into piramids!     Any other thoughts on that??

[Krandall]

When I get home tonight i'll write up what it says in QUAD about the pyramids. It said something about getting the most bite possible.

[SULLY0556]

  That would be great!  My studs won't be in for a week so I have time to do some trimming. 

[Bert]

Thanks for passing that info along Krandall 
I still haven't bought a hot knife for grooving.  They are like $80 on Ebay.
Not sure I want to remove my studs, pyramid the knobs & restud & nut. Pretty sure the tires have another year on them   
Decisions....
 

[SULLY0556]

  If you pull the studs, they'll never hold air.  Been there.    one of my customers has a commercial tire groover that works slick as shit so I'll be doing that this weekend.     It's all your fault Bert,  I wasn't going to get that elaborate this time but now............

   KK says the studs should ship next Wed so we're cutting it way close!  We're plowing the track this Sat morning.  :grin_nod:

[Bert]

I used 1/2 studs on all 4 tires & never went through the tire carcass.  It really seems like a hassle when I could just start over with new Cheng Shins,longer studs & nuts. I doubt that'll happen this year. If I build a set of tires this year they will have snowmobile studs for recreatinal riding   

On the rears I was thinking about the outside row, only cut 2 sides so the knob can sweep snow away from the tire in corners. Do you understand what I mean Sully?

[SULLY0556]

  Yea,  it makes sense accept your rolling forward pretty quick so there's not much side slide going on...

[SULLY0556]

   I'm not going to go too crazy on the cutting, maybe just taper tham a little on all sides.  Got to do something to keep busy till the studs show up.
   I also doubt if I'll nut the front tires this time, they don't have near the torque on them that the rears do and that's a but-load of work nutting all them studs.

[Krandall]

How does snowmobile studs work on tires? Seen anyone do it?

Can't say I've seen that before but seems pretty wicked 

[Bert]

How does snowmobile studs work on tires? Seen anyone do it?

Can't say I've seen that before but seems pretty wicked 

I don't know but I want my James Bond tires  Haven't seen it done in person either.  On packed snow I didn't feel my studded tires did much but spin. I was thinking 1/2 studs all the way around    I need a great deal on snowmobile studs, they seem pricey

Sully the bikes on the road course make way to much shredded ice for my liking. The tight corners end up being almost single track & passing can be done with my inside tires on ice and the outside tires in the marbles.  For me that meant tire spin & the quad pulling to the outside.  It sucked.  Last year the ice was uneven & after they plowed  there were still spots with ice shavings.....I wish they had a hydro broom

[Mad Dog]

How does snowmobile studs work on tires? Seen anyone do it?

Can't say I've seen that before but seems pretty wicked 

Pretty common, straight line only.

[Krandall]

Is there such a thing as a "rogue" class that allows it that you're aware of?

[Mad Dog]

Is there such a thing as a "rogue" class that allows it that you're aware of?

Not in District 14 or the AMA/ATVA rules.  Nothing over 3/16" sticking out for oval track racing.

Find your local district website, the class rules should be posted.  If it's not AMA/ATVA sanctioned, then check with the Promoter putting on the race(s).