Steve.....
What's the deal with these? 8)
that would be kick ass 4 the raptor
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/wastednuts/PCV-Wide2-500aw.jpg)
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From what I have read. The PCIII and PCV basically have the same functions except the V can hold 2 maps. As you can see the V is also much smaller and has more options for "plug in" features... IE O2 sensor. Looks like a great deal if you do not already have a power Commander. IMO I don't see any real reason to upgrade if you already have a PCIII.
Quote from: PDX Raptor on January 28, 2009, 03:38:00 PM
From what I have read. The PCIII and PCV basically have the same functions except the V can hold 2 maps. As you can see the V is also much smaller and has more options for "plug in" features... IE O2 sensor. Looks like a great deal if you do not already have a power Commander. IMO I don't see any real reason to upgrade if you already have a PCIII.
Except if you can get an o2 sensor add-on... Not requiring Dyno's is worth upgrading for alot of people! :clap:
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/wastednuts/PCV-Harness-500aw.jpg)
What's the price difference of the two?
Steve said $320 is his price. I'm not sold on those O2 sensors yet. They are another $250 or so and would like to see others run them for awhile to make sure they were accurate and didn't burn out.
Im also curious on how the auto tune kit will work.. Will race gas affect it?
having it map itself would be sweet, but even better, you can hold 2 maps. One for normal, then another if you havr to put in quietcores or something. :thumbs: :thumbs:
Race fuel that contains lead will ruin a O2 sensor
not all race fuel has lead, there are unleaded options
Im out i run 110 leaded :'(
I talked to Steve today on this, and he got in some PC5's today. He said its going to be around 2 more weeks before the auto tuner comes in. The PC5 is $319 right now, but he said it might change, he isnt sure yet, and the Tune kit will be mid $200's.
Brent
if the auto tune kit automatically makes fuel adjustments, why would you need the programmer to hold one than one map :confused:
Different setups maybe? IE fuels, pipes, intake setup....some might change their intake setup if they ride 2 different styles like dune/woods. IDK I'm grabbing at straws here....... but I would use the 2 different maps.
Let me get this straight. The O2 sensor hook up will automatically adjust a map for your applications? So if I decided to go from stock to 11:1 and big 3, it would automatically make a map for me? No more dyno's or begging for a map everytime I make an upgrade?
supposedly the auto tune kids need a "base map" to start with.
Quote from: Krandall on January 28, 2009, 10:50:37 PM
supposedly the auto tune kids need a "base map" to start with.
Yes you're right.
PCV needs a base map to run, and it will adjust the fuel% as it goes based on the user's required A/F input.
if you don't install a base map, PCV will go into a learning phase to establish its own base map. I just don't know how long it takes to accomplish it
When Dyno tuned, A/F can be controlled as a variable through out the rpm range, ie. 12.8 @ idle and 13.5 @ 8500rpm
Can this flexibility be applied to the PCV self adjusting O2 setup?
Hoping Steve will chime in :)
I'm hoping this isn't "To good to be true" I can see quite a few people ditching the PCIII and going to the 5 if it means no more dyno's. :) I know for me it'd be great. Closest one to me is a 4 hour drive 1 way!
Basically everything you have read here is true. Hassan (tonyrt) is correct as well. You upload a map on your pc5 and then set your desired A/f ratio. The auto tune kit will make adjustments to your map to keep you at this ratio.
PC3 maps will not work.
PC5 is designed for 2009 raptor's
We will have PC5's for the 2006-2008 available in kit
Quote from: TechQuadShop on January 29, 2009, 09:45:14 AM
Basically everything you have read here is true. Hassan (tonyrt) is correct as well. You upload a map on your pc5 and then set your desired A/f ratio. The auto tune kit will make adjustments to your map to keep you at this ratio.
PC3 maps will not work.
PC5 is designed for 2009 raptor's
We will have PC5's for the 2006-2008 available in kit
That's crazy. Maybe you could shed some light.
What's the difference between an 09' raptor and an 06'? I thought it was (in a nutshell) the hood/dash.. ??? ???
Quote from: Krandall on January 29, 2009, 09:51:58 AM
Quote from: TechQuadShop on January 29, 2009, 09:45:14 AM
Basically everything you have read here is true. Hassan (tonyrt) is correct as well. You upload a map on your pc5 and then set your desired A/f ratio. The auto tune kit will make adjustments to your map to keep you at this ratio.
PC3 maps will not work.
PC5 is designed for 2009 raptor's
We will have PC5's for the 2006-2008 available in kit
That's crazy. Maybe you could shed some light.
What's the difference between an 09' raptor and an 06'? I thought it was (in a nutshell) the hood/dash.. ??? ???
Could be that the wires/connectors they use for a pc5 match only the 09 raptor. I've seen it on different banshee before.
Trying to think of what the PCIII plugs into...
Goes into the Fuel Injector and TPS... Can you think of anything else I'm missing.. ???
I'm gonna see if they have different part #'s.
yep, just like a car. Loop system with o2 sensor. Will adjust itself to changing conditions, but can only go so far before needing base settings remapped. THis sounds promising. Love seeing the little kids with their half-assed attempts to be drag racers sitting with their laptops hooked up to their little hondas. :lol:
My favorite thing about this is you could have quiet cores to ride with your family in your local park, then rip them sucka's outta there to go hit the dunes or drags. :thumbs:
Quote from: Krandall on January 29, 2009, 07:27:28 AM
Hoping Steve will chime in :)
I'm hoping this isn't "To good to be true" I can see quite a few people ditching the PCIII and going to the 5 if it means no more dyno's. :) I know for me it'd be great. Closest one to me is a 4 hour drive 1 way!
I'll be all over it like a fly to $hit.... :grin_nod:
I'm skeptical :dunno:
So far the only info I have found on the PC5 and the Auto tune kit is on the PC5 website and it only has the info for the Harley Davidson unit. I assume it will be pretty much the same for the Raptor other than individual cylinder tuning, obviousley.
Auto Tune for Power Commander V
"Auto Tune" kits are available that include Wide Band O2 sensors and control boxes. It will plug directly into the PCV and allow automatic fuel adjustments.
Auto Tune can make a map for each gear it can map each cylinder separately for each gear if needed. (basic settings would make one map for all gears)
"Warm Up" fuel adjustment (unit reads engine temp and allows fuel/timing adjustments based on it)
Each map cell is individually adjustable so you can specify an exact AFR value for each area if needed. This allows the tuner/user to select specific AFR targets for idle, cruise, and large throttle opening areas. By doing this you can automatically tune the cruise area for best fuel economy while at the same time achieve maximum power at wide open throttle.
If we do not have the exact map for your combination of parts you simply need to choose the closest one and let the Auto Tune kit do the rest. If you have an very heavily modified engine and/or short drag pipes verifying your settings on a dynamometer is recommended.
Here's a link to the page: http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander_hd/powercommander_v_information.aspx#autotune (http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander_hd/powercommander_v_information.aspx#autotune)
:cheers:
Randy
I think it in theory it is great and if they get it right the first time it will have the ovious advantages,I think the sensor may be bulkey it would be cool if someone made a small sensor
Quote from: fastraptor on February 02, 2009, 10:09:35 AM
I think it in theory it is great and if they get it right the first time it will have the ovious advantages,I think the sensor may be bulkey it would be cool if someone made a small sensor
plus, it's also requiring you to tap into an exhaust pipe somewhere. :help:
drill hole in header, weld on nut...done.
Quote from: PeelsSE2 on February 02, 2009, 11:06:29 AM
drill hole in header, weld on nut...done.
Fine, I'll say it. Its called a "BungHole"
Quote from: preddy08 on February 02, 2009, 12:06:42 PM
Quote from: PeelsSE2 on February 02, 2009, 11:06:29 AM
drill hole in header, weld on nut...done.
Fine, I'll say it. Its called a "BungHole"
LOL you said bung. :lol:
I was going to say that anyways. But you know these forum nerds. :lol:
Yes it is a bung hole :lol:, and it should be 12-16" from the engine head to overcome the single cylinder reversion effects.
installation should be angeled correctly to prolong the sensor service life.
here is my raptor drag pipe with a bung welded to it.
What's Single Cylinder Reversion ?
Quote from: Krandall on February 03, 2009, 08:56:03 AM
What's Single Cylinder Reversion ?
Only heard this term when referring to turbos:
negative pressure pulse (vacuum) in the turbo manifold that is drawn back into the combustion cylinder(reversion). ???
Quote from: Krandall on February 03, 2009, 08:56:03 AM
What's Single Cylinder Reversion ?
Due to intake/exhaust overlap, and during intake stroke, the piston will suck some fresh air throught the muffler tip, which will mislead the sensor readings. So O2 sensor must be installed as close as possible to the engine, but not less than 12" due to exhaust gas temps.
IN SIMPLE WORDS, exhaust gas pulses are a good evidence of reversion.
Quote from: tonyrt44 on February 03, 2009, 11:42:22 AM
Quote from: Krandall on February 03, 2009, 08:56:03 AM
What's Single Cylinder Reversion ?
Due to intake/exhaust overlap, and during intake stroke, the piston will suck some fresh air throught the muffler tip, which will mislead the sensor readings. So O2 sensor must be installed as close as possible to the engine, but not less than 12" due to exhaust gas temps.
IN SIMPLE WORDS, exhaust gas pulses are a good evidence of reversion.
Ok gotcha! Thanks for the explanation.
Quote from: tonyrt44 on February 03, 2009, 12:47:35 AM
Yes it is a bung hole :lol:, and it should be 12-16" from the engine head to overcome the single cylinder reversion effects.
installation should be angeled correctly to prolong the sensor service life.
here is my raptor drag pipe with a bung welded to it.
Hey, that's a nice looking bung hole you have there, LOL.
Quote from: SprinterX on February 03, 2009, 11:51:14 AM
Quote from: tonyrt44 on February 03, 2009, 12:47:35 AM
Yes it is a bung hole :lol:, and it should be 12-16" from the engine head to overcome the single cylinder reversion effects.
installation should be angeled correctly to prolong the sensor service life.
here is my raptor drag pipe with a bung welded to it.
Hey, that's a nice looking bung hole you have there, LOL.
he gets it reamed daily. :lol:
any more info on this?
so its def a smart idea to go with the pcV if someone were going to get a big 3(smaller, around same price, and has many more options if u want them down the road)?? pretty much for the same reason for goin with barkers > everything else (always leve yourself room to breath later)
u can get the auto tune kit later and install it later, after u have already purchaced the pcV?
Autotune kits should be in tomorrow.
I swear you do this just to tease us steve. :lol:
Do you know what the main difference is between the PCv and the PCIII as far as connections?
Does the 5 just have extra for the LCD display on the 09's? ???
Not sure if I missed it but what's the status for retrofitting the PC5/Autotuner to the earlier 700s?
Quote from: SprinterX on February 12, 2009, 09:42:59 PM
Not sure if I missed it but what's the status for retrofitting the PC5/Autotuner to the earlier 700s?
There plug in and go. Got the PC5 on my 727 and it works like a champ.
Extra ports on the pc5, map switch capability, all the maps are a different type of file
Those are some of the differences.
Autotune kits didnt make it in. Too much snow. Probably wont be here tomorrow either since its snowing like crazy right now. I will keep you updated though.
Sounds good, thanks for the update Steve :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
so i ordered the pc5 and i was wondering if you get the auto tune kit, do you have to have a baseline set or do you just plug it in and it goes from there?