Figured I'd keep these 2 topics separate since it's 2 different things completely.
When running an oval track, would there be any advantage to keeping the inside shorter than the outside? Granted 1-2" isn't all that much of a difference. But. Wondering if anyone has experience in this area.
i would be more intrested in tire size offset to create wedge, than altering suspension geometry. Atleast while your just learning.
Aaron
Well I was thinking, would it make sense to put the stock a-arms on in inside corner? And keep the +2 on the outside? the ishock shocks mount right up.
Quote from: Krandall on October 24, 2008, 10:28:05 AM
Well I was thinking, would it make sense to put the stock a-arms on in inside corner? And keep the +2 on the outside? the ishock shocks mount right up.
1st off you want as low of CG as you can get, so the stock a-arms are out IMO, if anything a +1 or +2 forward a-arm on the right would be nice.
The sprints run the offset put a 20 on the inside rear and a 22 on the outside they run them offfset like that, why wouldn't that work... ??? ???
Last season I looked at everyone's quads & don't remember seeing any offsets ??? At least it wasn't obvious to the naked eye.
+1 forward a-arms will make the rear tires hook harder than stock a-arms. Mixing arms could become a handling issue. IDK
Low & wide :grin_nod:
I don't understand the whole +1 forward thing.. What's the purpose? why not extend the rear? Isn't that the same thing? ??? ???
I was talking to Dave @ JD Performance & +1 Arms are popular with the sand guys & drags. For a trail rider a longer swinger would balance the machine again.
don't the sand guys extend the f*ck outta their swingers?
Quote from: Temptation on October 24, 2008, 10:36:41 AM
The sprints run the offset put a 20 on the inside rear and a 22 on the outside they run them offfset like that, why wouldn't that work... ??? ???
I don't think the sprints are running a locked rear axle though ??? That would be my concern on a sport quad
With a extended swinger there's no wheelies but are they hooking up?
Sure add paddles or add forward arms & change the bikes weight distribution ???
I've talked to Dave several times & I'm 99% sure I'm clear on what he told me :lol:
If you are starting from a dead stop you don't want any type of stagger unless you really want to get to know the guy on your left. Also shorter swingarms work better for circle track, pulls harder out the corner.
The Red 250R is super low
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/tqf1E/Garrison%20Ice%20Racing/Stage1-1.jpg)
Notice how narrow my buddies (#760) Z400 is with stock axle & a-arms
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/tqf1E/Garrison%20Ice%20Racing/DPStart.jpg)
Cheng Shin C826 20x11x9 rear tires mounted on stock rims, 9 x 8.5. I would like to try these on a 9x9 rim & flatten out the tire profile, too rounded now. Front tires are 20" Razor MX's. Z400 has 18" rears & 19" fronts
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/tqf1E/Garrison%20Ice%20Racing/Reartire2.jpg)
Z400 would "skate" a little in the tight corners from too many studs
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/tqf1E/Garrison%20Ice%20Racing/RaptorZ4002.jpg)
For Cheng Shins try Sully's connection (MAW) or Magic Racing in the Ice Racing section.
Anyone have experience with tire knifes? I need to know what brand or style to buy
Anticipation of winter :clap:
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/tqf1E/Quad%20Winter%20Pics/2007-07-07WinterQuadPics_0038.jpg)
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/tqf1E/Quad%20Winter%20Pics/366213-R1-08-8_009.jpg)
With 2.5#'s of rear tire pressure Dennis's cookie turned into a wheels up situation
:rofl:
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/tqf1E/Quad%20Winter%20Pics/DPsshitty.jpg)
Sorry for the random whoring :lol:
Krandall buy my tires
??? ??? hwat kind? :lol:
Cheng Shin C-826 20x11x9 rear
Maxxis Razr MX 20x6x10 front
Can you clearly see the tires in my previously posted pics?
I could take pics or show them to you when I drop off that motorcycle.
Why do you do this to me Bert..... :lol:
PM sent.
Don't buy his tires he needs to get out of the house and race :thumbs:
Bert. He says I cant. :lol:
I thought he was going to race this year. It's not cheap to get into I know that+studding tires sucks A$$
Quote from: Polarass525 on November 04, 2008, 08:46:00 AM
Don't buy his tires he needs to get out of the house and race :thumbs:
Racing adds up the milage getting there, hard on the wallet. I might have a local spot to race but not sure yet. I really want tires with snowmobile studs for recreational riding this winter ???
Well, I think I've officially decided on what I'm doing for the front end, I think I'm going to run r6 shocks on the front. Instead of a lowering kit. 2 bolts and the shocks are out vs pulling the a-arms off completely. Fairly cheap investment. (like $70ish) for 2 fronts. looking into options for the rear. 8)
Quote from: Colorado700R on October 24, 2008, 10:25:22 AM
i would be more intrested in tire size offset to create wedge, than altering suspension geometry. Atleast while your just learning.
Aaron
+1
Like how Sprint cars run.
Might ask Bama on his set up for flat track. It won't be much different for ice other than studded tires.
~Brian
Quote from: Krandall on November 14, 2008, 01:51:57 PM
Well, I think I've officially decided on what I'm doing for the front end, I think I'm going to run r6 shocks on the front. Instead of a lowering kit. 2 bolts and the shocks are out vs pulling the a-arms off completely. Fairly cheap investment. (like $70ish) for 2 fronts. looking into options for the rear. 8)
tie that bish down with a ratchet strap! :lol: That is the redneck advice I got.
09 schedule
http://www.mniceracing.com/
http://www.pro-ice.com/
I will FOR SURE be @ this one!!
WSA EXTREME ICE & ATV
Date: Saturday, February 07, 2009 At 12:00:00 AM
Duration: 2 Days
Forest Lake. It's about 1/2 hour from where the rappy's parked. 8)
how tall are the r6 shocks? are they direct bolt up? that might be fun to have those and try them out one day!
Quote from: dmx434343 on November 15, 2008, 04:57:27 PM
how tall are the r6 shocks? are they direct bolt up? that might be fun to have those and try them out one day!
Not sure the exact measurement eyelet to eyelet, but they are a direct bolt on I know that much, and from what I've been seeing poking around on e-bay, they are fairly cheap.
Forest Lake Feb 7th - My weekend to work :mad: :lol:
Quote from: Krandall on November 14, 2008, 01:51:57 PM
Well, I think I've officially decided on what I'm doing for the front end, I think I'm going to run r6 shocks on the front. Instead of a lowering kit. 2 bolts and the shocks are out vs pulling the a-arms off completely. Fairly cheap investment. (like $70ish) for 2 fronts. looking into options for the rear. 8)
Put a 2 in spacer on the right front and right rear to offset it to +2 on the right side. Get the adjustable turnbucle off ebay for the rear.
Krandall,
Take a weekend and come over here. We've got a very nice oval and road track on a lake just out of town, usually 15-25 bikes there every weekend. We also set up a drag strip. First weekend of Feb is the big party. I'll even put you up for the weekend.
I bought a set of Honda 250 shocks off Ebay and they slip in the front real nice. Lowered me about 4" and still have a little suspension. I also made my own sway bar that works pretty well. I flip the link on the rear suspension to drop me another few inches and call it good. My problem is too much engine for the track, when I get on it I have a hard time holding traction. New tires are here and I'm waiting for KK to ship the studs. I nut every stud on the inside to hold them in tune better and it works pretty well. I'm trying a new tire design on the front this year and am still deciding on how to stud them up, If I load them up too much I'm afraid it'll skate. Any opinions on that?
Sully
Oh yea, I like the idea of spacing the right side out 2"!! My problem is it really sucks when we jump to the road track...
Sully what are you running for a front tire?
My front 20" Razor MX's have 300 studs each. I liked them but it would be nice to play around with tire/stud combos
I'm going to try the Carlisle trail wolf. Lots of meat down the center and plenty of room for studs. I'm looking at a minimum of 182 per tire but there's lots of room for more, I'm just worried about them skating with too many studs...
I ran dirt hooks last year which I love but I can't find any this year. I also tried trimming my rears which is supposed to work better when the track gets messy but I didn't notice any difference. I'm trying a new pattern on the rears this year so we'll see how it works. Here's some pics of last years tires.
damn, I'd love to get out there this winter!!!!
I'll hit up up if I do!!!
Open invitation! Come on a weekend when we're playing and you can come be a rock-star with us! :)
He would rather be a groupie.
:lol:
~Brian
His boobies aren't big enough! :clap: :rofl:
This girl was in the crowd?
We're there dude.
~Brian
That was last year. I wasn't watching for the dude, I was enjoying the show... :thumbs:
I wasn't sure what would work so I left myself the option of adding studs. I liked they way they felt so I left them.
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/tqf1E/Garrison%20Ice%20Racing/Fronttire.jpg)
The rears need some shaving to be effective for passing on the outside
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/tqf1E/Garrison%20Ice%20Racing/Reartire.jpg)
I think it's in Quad that has some good tips on how to stud the tires. :thumbs:
Nobody showed me how to do it. I had no idea you would go right into the carcass. I bought 1/4" hardware screws. They made it two laps. :lol:
Quote from: Peels660 on December 02, 2008, 02:22:37 PM
Nobody showed me how to do it. I had no idea you would go right into the carcass. I bought 1/4" hardware screws. They made it two laps. :lol:
Mine didn't go throw the tire either....
I nut every stud on the rears with a plastic nut to hold them in, I've never lost a stud. Here's some pics from last night, the tires are marked for studding. Any suggestions? The fronts will likely need more studs.
Here's another little home-made gadget that is AWESOME for cornering. :thumbs:
geez, great idea again w/ the pegs!
the more and more I see these the more and more I wanna get out therE! 8)
We have some really great guys in the group, One of our riders took the nationals last year in lower Wisconsin. Tommy Johns. Everyone is great about helping each other and it's just a good time riding and racing together without any pressure. We all share ideas and it ends up helping everyone. :thumbs:
Quote from: SULLY0556 on December 03, 2008, 05:29:30 AM
I nut every stud on the rears with a plastic nut to hold them in, I've never lost a stud. Here's some pics from last night, the tires are marked for studding. Any suggestions? The fronts will likely need more studs.
Looks good Sully. Will you be cutting your rear tires?
It was crazy last season looking at tires that had each knob cut on 4 sides to make a pyramid for the studs. Those guys could pass on the outside when I tried passing & had lots of wheelspin :lol:
We keep the track pretty clear so that's not a big problem. We have a ATV mounted power-brush that cleans the ice like glass. BUT that may still be a good idea...... ???
I'm also running new studs this year that are 1/4" tall instead of 3/32" so that should help also. Of course I'm no longer legal to run in most competitions but I'm not about that anyway.
Quote from: SULLY0556 on December 03, 2008, 11:18:13 AM
We keep the track pretty clear so that's not a big problem. We have a ATV mounted power-brush that cleans the ice like glass. BUT that may still be a good idea...... ???
The Club we rode with is all about motorcycles & they create lots of ice shavings & ruts :lol: The ice shavings get fairly deep ::)
Our bikes stay mostly on the road course so the oval stays pretty clean. I like the roar coarse a lot and there's plenty of straights to pass on if you're able.
Quote from: SULLY0556 on December 03, 2008, 11:24:23 AM
I'm also running new studs this year that are 1/4" tall instead of 3/32" so that should help also. Of course I'm no longer legal to run in most competitions but I'm not about that anyway.
1/4" is the rule in AMA/ATVA, Canadian racing typically requires shorter heads. I use 1/2" or sometimes 5/8" shafts to keep the 1/4" heads in place but I don't use washers or anything other than the screw's bite to keep it in.
I like to keep my studs in the center of the knob as the center is the stiffer part, the edge of the knob is easier for a screw to move around in or get ripped out of. I do however angle the screws for better bite in the corner and manually align the screw heads.
Exactly! a 5 degree tilt on the screw is amazing for not plugging up with ice. The new KK's are 1/4" tall so I'm going to try them out this year. They sent a few samples and they look SWEEEEEEET! I run 1-1/4" and nut them on the inside to keep them in place. It's a bitch but it's well worth it in the long run. I just sold my old tires for $150.00 and they weren't missing a single screw after 2 years of hard running. I thought the heightn rule was 3/32" on the studs, Maybe I'll be ok then. :)
Tuning the heads helps a little depending on what type of track you're running. I'm anal and keep them tuned. :rolleyes:
Sorry I misspoke, the AMA limit is 3/16" head,
You think though if you put the stud at what woudl be the front of the lug.. where it hits the ground first, you'd want it sitting there as when the lug flexes that's the part that's going to be staying near the ground more vs. the rear of the lug
Good point, I'm looking at staggering between the leading edge and closer to the center. I'm going to really watch the stagger in all directions this time when I set up the rears, last time they were too much alligned and when I'd come off the line my tracks showed 8 destinct grooves which isn't as good.
Quote from: Bert on December 03, 2008, 11:15:28 AM
Quote from: SULLY0556 on December 03, 2008, 05:29:30 AM
I nut every stud on the rears with a plastic nut to hold them in, I've never lost a stud. Here's some pics from last night, the tires are marked for studding. Any suggestions? The fronts will likely need more studs.
Looks good Sully. Will you be cutting your rear tires?
It was crazy last season looking at tires that had each knob cut on 4 sides to make a pyramid for the studs. Those guys could pass on the outside when I tried passing & had lots of wheelspin :lol:
Bert you bastard! Now you've got me thinking about cutting my rears into piramids! :mad: Any other thoughts on that?????
When I get home tonight i'll write up what it says in QUAD about the pyramids. It said something about getting the most bite possible.
That would be great! My studs won't be in for a week so I have time to do some trimming. :)
Thanks for passing that info along Krandall :thumbs:
I still haven't bought a hot knife for grooving. They are like $80 on Ebay.
Not sure I want to remove my studs, pyramid the knobs & restud & nut. Pretty sure the tires have another year on them ??? :lol:
Decisions....
If you pull the studs, they'll never hold air. Been there. one of my customers has a commercial tire groover that works slick as shit so I'll be doing that this weekend. :thumbs: It's all your fault Bert, I wasn't going to get that elaborate this time but now............
KK says the studs should ship next Wed so we're cutting it way close! We're plowing the track this Sat morning. :grin_nod:
I used 1/2 studs on all 4 tires & never went through the tire carcass. It really seems like a hassle when I could just start over with new Cheng Shins,longer studs & nuts. I doubt that'll happen this year. If I build a set of tires this year they will have snowmobile studs for recreatinal riding :lol:
On the rears I was thinking about the outside row, only cut 2 sides so the knob can sweep snow away from the tire in corners. Do you understand what I mean Sully?
Yea, it makes sense accept your rolling forward pretty quick so there's not much side slide going on...
I'm not going to go too crazy on the cutting, maybe just taper tham a little on all sides. Got to do something to keep busy till the studs show up.
I also doubt if I'll nut the front tires this time, they don't have near the torque on them that the rears do and that's a but-load of work nutting all them studs.
How does snowmobile studs work on tires? Seen anyone do it?
Can't say I've seen that before but seems pretty wicked :lol:
Quote from: Krandall on December 04, 2008, 01:30:29 PM
How does snowmobile studs work on tires? Seen anyone do it?
Can't say I've seen that before but seems pretty wicked :lol:
I don't know but I want my James Bond tires :lol: Haven't seen it done in person either. On packed snow I didn't feel my studded tires did much but spin. I was thinking 1/2 studs all the way around ??? I need a great deal on snowmobile studs, they seem pricey
Sully the bikes on the road course make way to much shredded ice for my liking. The tight corners end up being almost single track & passing can be done with my inside tires on ice and the outside tires in the marbles. For me that meant tire spin & the quad pulling to the outside. :lol: It sucked. Last year the ice was uneven & after they plowed there were still spots with ice shavings.....I wish they had a hydro broom
Quote from: Krandall on December 04, 2008, 01:30:29 PM
How does snowmobile studs work on tires? Seen anyone do it?
Can't say I've seen that before but seems pretty wicked :lol:
Pretty common, straight line only.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/Maddog56/ATV/ice_piks.jpg)
(http://www.snowmobiletrails.com/moto/images/close_up_of_back_tire.jpg)
Is there such a thing as a "rogue" class that allows it that you're aware of?
Quote from: Krandall on December 04, 2008, 02:32:32 PM
Is there such a thing as a "rogue" class that allows it that you're aware of?
Not in District 14 or the AMA/ATVA rules. Nothing over 3/16" sticking out for oval track racing.
Find your local district website, the class rules should be posted. If it's not AMA/ATVA sanctioned, then check with the Promoter putting on the race(s).
Jeebus M.D. That looks like something out of "Mad Max" :lol:
Quote from: Peels660 on December 04, 2008, 02:36:51 PM
Jeebus M.D. That looks like something out of "Mad Max" :lol:
Didn't turn until you broke traction, then it just chewed up the track and spit huge ice chunks everywhere. :lol:
freaking sweet!!!!
I need to figure out something to do w/ my old stock rears. they are basically slicks from the big burnout I did with them...... I'd hate to just throw them away since they still hold air. ???
Thoughts?
Quote from: Mad Dog on December 04, 2008, 02:41:13 PM
Quote from: Peels660 on December 04, 2008, 02:36:51 PM
Jeebus M.D. That looks like something out of "Mad Max" :lol:
Didn't turn until you broke traction, then it just chewed up the track and spit huge ice chunks everywhere. :lol:
Noice! :lol:
Krandall: Yeah, that is what I did with my balding stockers. Works fine. But, I am not ever going to be competing, just goofing off, and riding down the river.
Quote from: Krandall on December 04, 2008, 02:42:09 PM
freaking sweet!!!!
I need to figure out something to do w/ my old stock rears. they are basically slicks from the big burnout I did with them...... I'd hate to just throw them away since they still hold air. ???
Thoughts?
less tread means less likely to hold air from screws, so sled studs may be the way to go. Not sure if the radial belts would be an issue though.
Maybe I'll just take em' in and have the yfz tires put back on. those are the ones I was looking @ studdin for the winter.
I'm not yet set on racing this year. I'd like to at least rip around on the lake, and hit up one race that's near by (forest lake) next year.
Quote from: Krandall on December 04, 2008, 02:55:05 PM
Maybe I'll just take em' in and have the yfz tires put back on. those are the ones I was looking @ studdin for the winter.
I'm not yet set on racing this year. I'd like to at least rip around on the lake, and hit up one race that's near by (forest lake) next year.
And head over to the U.P. and visit Sully on their track...... :grin_nod:
Quote from: Bert on December 04, 2008, 01:38:49 PM
Quote from: Krandall on December 04, 2008, 01:30:29 PM
How does snowmobile studs work on tires? Seen anyone do it?
Can't say I've seen that before but seems pretty wicked :lol:
I don't know but I want my James Bond tires :lol: Haven't seen it done in person either. On packed snow I didn't feel my studded tires did much but spin. I was thinking 1/2 studs all the way around ??? I need a great deal on snowmobile studs, they seem pricey
Sully the bikes on the road course make way to much shredded ice for my liking. The tight corners end up being almost single track & passing can be done with my inside tires on ice and the outside tires in the marbles. For me that meant tire spin & the quad pulling to the outside. :lol: It sucked. Last year the ice was uneven & after they plowed there were still spots with ice shavings.....I wish they had a hydro broom
We have a sweeper and I kinda like it when the bikes chew up the tight corners, I can lay ny inside tires in the groove and I can corner like I'm on rails. It gets boring going in a circle all the time so the road course is a nice break and you can get some serious speed going on the straits. It's being laid out Sat morning so maybe I'll be able to post some pics next week.
Quote from: SULLY0556 on December 04, 2008, 09:23:27 AM
That would be great! My studs won't be in for a week so I have time to do some trimming. :)
Obviously I didn't do this when I got home. :lol:
Here was the QUAD Cold Weather Machine Tips:
#1
Did you know that if you place multiple studs toward the outside of the tire, it helps clear snow better and helps to pprevent the tire from getting all packed up with sniw and ice? NOW YOU DO!
#2
Ripped Out!
It's inevitable when using studs on a tier that one of them is sooner or later going to get ripped out. Don't panic. Simply patch it like you would w/ a nail in the tire (Tire plug) and put a new stud a littel farther away from the hole.
#3
Groove that tread:
Tip from Daryl Rath: He tapered each individual tread on the tire to get more bite by placing a stud @ the peak of every tread nub. This cool trick helps the tire get a bit more forward bit in the sloppy stuff.
#4
Groove the center (Front)
Another trick that Daryl Rath uses to prep his ice racing tires is this cool center tread groove trick he cuts the center tread slightly lower than the outter tread giving the tire a more flat profile thus more contact w/ the ice!
hope this helps you all :clap:
Looks good, I'm not into the theory of shaving the center of the steer tire, I've had flat and rounded fronts and I didn't like the flat at all. :(
Here's my rears ready for studding. 4 hours with a tire groover. :'(
A few more pics. The track is plowed and ready to go, I went out last night for a few hours and cleaned it up a bit. The road course is .9 miles long and has both tight and sweeping corners and a few long stretches to wind it out. Pretty sweet!! I'll try to get some pics this weekend of people running on it, my bike won't be ready for at least another week. :(
Sully that looks very nice :thumbs:
I predict you'll be beyond happy 8)
Nice Work ;)
Thanks. On my last set I only did one side so we'll see how these do. The ice is freaking PERFECT! I was out last night and it's smooth and clear which means it doesn't have air bubbles in it making it soft. I can't wait to get out there and rip it up!!!!
Tires look good man. Now 4 more hours to go on the other one. :lol: :clap:
Both are done, That un-cut one got cut when he was mounting it and it's trashed. :mad:
Now about 6-8 hours will be needed to stud and nut the tires. Just waiting for my studs to show up. :(
When I was plowing Sunday, I could see the bottom of the lake thru the ice it is that clear! The water is about 8' deep but it was so cool, it looked like I was just driving on clear open water. I was happy to see some cracks so I knew how thick the ice was. :lol:
Thats how my wifes parents lake is this year. It's so clear, Nice we got a solid freeze before the snow came to make it a really pretty looking ice. And freakin baby's butt smooth.
It's going to be a good year for riding. Last year the ice was soft, this year it looks hard which will be nice.
Quote from: Krandall on December 09, 2008, 09:39:14 AM
Thats how my wifes parents lake is this year. It's so clear, Nice we got a solid freeze before the snow came to make it a really pretty looking ice. And freakin baby's butt smooth.
Man with no baby makes "baby's butt" reference? Questions will be asked...... :lol: ???
I don't want to go there!! :lol:
no comment.? ::)
and here when he was talking about knobbies and studs I was thinking tires..... ???
Quote from: Krandall on December 09, 2008, 01:17:31 PM
no comment.? ::)
good plan. :lol:
Quote from: SULLY0556 on December 09, 2008, 01:22:09 PM
and here when he was talking about knobbies and studs I was thinking tires..... ???
I knew better....
you northerners are cracking me up with your ice discussion. Hard, soft, smooth. WTF it is F**king ice!
:lol:
Just think of it as "special corn" Iowa boy. :lol:
Quote from: SULLY0556 on December 09, 2008, 01:27:40 PM
Just think of it as "special corn" Iowa boy. :lol:
:( I hate corn...but I like corn flakes....go figure :lol:
Quote from: Peels660 on December 09, 2008, 01:23:56 PM
you northerners are cracking me up with your ice discussion. Hard, soft, smooth. WTF it is F**king ice!
:lol:
You'd think so but last year the ice here was soft. In South Dakota the ice was hard
???
Quote from: Bert on December 09, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: Peels660 on December 09, 2008, 01:23:56 PM
you northerners are cracking me up with your ice discussion. Hard, soft, smooth. WTF it is F**king ice!
:lol:
You'd think so but last year the ice here was soft. In South Dakota the ice was hard
???
:lol:
It is frozen water, it is cold...and I hate it. Classifying it makes it worse. :lol:
There are but two classifications for me. Will my quad fall through..or not. :lol:
It's like Meth....
You go out to Cali. You get the GOOD stuff... No let downs. Pure and clean.. It's Meth...
You go to Iowa.. You get the back woods barn sh*t mixed stuff... semi pure not so clean... It's meth...
Different makes and models. :thumbs:
Quote from: Peels660 on December 09, 2008, 02:00:26 PM
There are but two classifications for me. Will my quad fall through..or not. :lol:
Let's just say the guy going into the corner first is the one most likely to make it to the straightaway.
Dampness awaits those who let off...
Quote from: Mad Dog on December 09, 2008, 04:04:20 PM
Quote from: Peels660 on December 09, 2008, 02:00:26 PM
There are but two classifications for me. Will my quad fall through..or not. :lol:
Let's just say the guy going into the corner first is the one most likely to make it to the straightaway.
Dampness awaits those who let off...
..and hypothermia. :lol:
Krandall, comparing ice to Meth. :lol: We mix our $hit in Trailers here, not barns. Get it right! :lol:
you say tomato I say tomaahhhhto :lol:
We got another 2-3" of snow yesterday so it's back out to plow the tracks. :mad: It'll be nice when we get more ice and can bring the trucks out, makes the job a lot quicker!
MD.. Question...
So.. Tires (rear specifically)
I have my old set of YFZ's about 50-60% tread left. Do you think it'd be fine using those and studding them? Or would it be a better overall investment of ChenChings?
I'd go with new tires. If you're careful, they'll last a long time and why spend that much time and $ studding something that's not 100%?
I'll be nutting my rears tonight and should be ready to run this weekend. :clap:
If you're going on the cheap and running Golds or something I guess the old tires qould be ok. I just spent $180 on studs alone plus nuts so I went with new tires front and back to do it. The new KK's are kick-ass!
See, I found this guy.
I was thinking about scoring the rears.... I just hate to spend money on new tires if it ends up being something so-so. ya know...
Is it possible to move studs around? or once their in. Their in?
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/950730651.html
It's very dicey to un-stud a tire, I overstuded some fronts and removed about 10%. They leaked bad so I ditched them.
You think a standard tire plug would be fine? ???
Use the YFZs but beware that radial 2 ply tires will have a weaker sidewall and might be more prone to throwing screws than bias ply. They won't be as good but they will work great to learn on and be a lot cheaper than buying new tires, wheels and screws.
Golds hold better than KK, they have a coarser thread. KK are sharper, but the golds hold just as well in torn up tracks or soft ice. It's only on clean hard ice that the KK are worth the thrown screws IMO. But then again I'm not nutting any of mine and somewhere in the AMA rulebook I remember it saying cutting tires is a no-no, so I may not be the best resource on such fronts.
You can't unstud a tire, the tire will leak and the new screws will never hold in old holes...again with respect to not using nuts.
I don't run AMA so cutting is ok but you're right about not being allowed. My KK's are also not allowed since they're over 3/16" tall. I've never thrown a KK but I also nut my studs. My new KK's are #12 shank instead of #8 so the'll hold quite well even without nutting and have a nuce HUGE washer built into the head.
Golds don't have the edge that KK's have BUT they can also be re-sharpened quite easily.
I'll post some pics tomorrow of the tires with the studs in them. :thumbs:
Quote from: Krandall on December 17, 2008, 10:17:02 AM
You think a standard tire plug would be fine? ???
You can plug them and put a stud somewhere else but that's a lot of plugs. C/S tires are only $40-50 new.
Fair enough. I think I'm going to nut the studs only for the reason being (2 ply) better safe than sorry. I think I figured out an alternative to the "standard" nuts. I was looking at some PVC tubing super small stuff that I think would work. ??? only reason, I couldn't find nuts on Dennis Kirks site.
I'll have to look into the AMA rules. I know rath cuts his tires they did a write up in last months QUAD about it... but maybe he's not racing AMA
I got my nuts from Lawson Products, I work parts for a living so I've got some pretty good connections for odd stuff. :)
Bring that bike ofer here this winter and play on our tracks!!
I got kind of stupid yesterday and ordered 2" spacers for all 4 hubs....... I know it's not like running 2+ arms but I just wanted to try it out. My front end widening kit (which I loved) wouldn't fit with the CCP so I can't use it anymore. :(
Daryl's ice racing is usually the big TT championship, don't remember him running much ama
Quote from: SULLY0556 on December 17, 2008, 10:36:51 AM
I got kind of stupid yesterday and ordered 2" spacers for all 4 hubs....... I know it's not like running 2+ arms but I just wanted to try it out. My front end widening kit (which I loved) wouldn't fit with the CCP so I can't use it anymore. :(
I have those because of wheel offset error. THey work great for the rear, fronts... never tried. Steering might be Jerky, but your on ice who cares?
It'll look like a spider on the ice.. :lol:
Quote from: SULLY0556 on December 17, 2008, 10:51:44 AM
It'll look like a spider on the ice.. :lol:
+3 arms +2 widening kit, lowered, +2 studs. Dude, that would be like +16 total. :grin_nod: Better flip the rims FTW! :lol:
Forget that 50" business. ;) i' M TALKING 65" :lol:
The one thing I was told by a few of the guys that race ALOT is that the Rath tires feel spongy because of the pyramid shape taking away some meat on the knobby. I'm not that good so I don't know if I'll feel it or not.....
Quote from: Peels660 on December 17, 2008, 10:55:28 AM
Quote from: SULLY0556 on December 17, 2008, 10:51:44 AM
It'll look like a spider on the ice.. :lol:
+3 arms +2 widening kit, lowered, +2 studs. Dude, that would be like +16 total. :grin_nod: Better flip the rims FTW! :lol:
Forget that 50" business. ;) i' M TALKING 65" :lol:
Send pics!! :lol:
Quote from: Peels660 on December 17, 2008, 10:55:28 AM
Quote from: SULLY0556 on December 17, 2008, 10:51:44 AM
It'll look like a spider on the ice.. :lol:
+3 arms +2 widening kit, lowered, +2 studs. Dude, that would be like +16 total. :grin_nod: Better flip the rims FTW! :lol:
Forget that 50" business. ;) i' M TALKING 65" :lol:
A quad that wide might be pretty hard to pass...though I'm not sure how well it'll turn either. Never tried it any wider than the 50" or so I have now.
That would be my strategy!! No one could pass my slow-ass! :lol:
Feb 7th is our big ice-party up here. If anyone want's to come over I'll set you up!! We'll have grills going and lots of good riding. You'd love the group, no head-cases and everyone helps each other out. :thumbs:
I would totally hug the middle too. And slide as far sideways as possible.
I'd need some giant friggin' nerf bars though. :lol:
My nuts didn't show yesterday so tonight will be a mad rush to get them done so I can re-mount them Friday and run Sat. :(
Here's a few pics of the tires studded before I tuned them.
A few more plus the bikes we were setting up.
Here's a few of us plowing the tracks last Sat. There's a full sized oval, an 1/8 mile drag strip, a .94 mile road coarse, a kiddie oval, and parking for 20-30 trucks. :thumbs:
Takes about 2 hours to plow everything with 2 bikes.
Here's what the new KK's look like
Quote from: SULLY0556 on December 17, 2008, 10:36:51 AM
I got kind of stupid yesterday and ordered 2" spacers for all 4 hubs....... I know it's not like running 2+ arms but I just wanted to try it out. My front end widening kit (which I loved) wouldn't fit with the CCP so I can't use it anymore. :(
You could check with Brad @ RPM Axle, he is working on a kit thats similiar to Diamond J Customs kit on ebay & will be Super Moto worthy....seems like a great way to lower the quad & widen it :thumbs:
Sounds good but will it fit with a CCP Stabilizer? ???
Quote from: SULLY0556 on December 18, 2008, 07:38:52 AM
Sounds good but will it fit with a CCP Stabilizer? ???
That would be a good question for Brad...
Ready for the final mounting. Nutting took about an hour, pretty easy step. I also included the nut # and description. Nutting the studs not only holds them from backing out but adds rigidity to the knob/stud combo. I couldn't nut the outside studs since there is more rubber to the outside so the studs are more burried.
****remember**** these nuts are for the new KK Kanadians which have a #12 shank. The golds and KK standards have a #8 shank so would take a smaller nut.
dang. those things are ready to rip!!!! 8)
YEa, I can't wait till tomorrow to try it out. Should be a good day.
What size are the heads on your studs again?
1/4" head x 1/4" tall. Standard are 1/4" x 3/16" tall.
gotcha. :thumbs:
How long are your studs?
And could you take a look @ these 2? What's the difference?
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/tpl/product.jsp?store=Main&catId=108&leafCatId=10807&skuId=080511&productId=p080508&mmyId=
vs.
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/tpl/product.jsp?store=Main&catId=108&leafCatId=10807&skuId=080515&productId=p080512&mmyId=
My studs are 1" long. Both of those look about the same. Check Ebay for Kold Kutters, You may find a better deal.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KOLD-KUTTER-ICE-RACING-SCREWS-1-1000-PACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQitemZ390001679085QQptZMotorsQ5fATVQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Dennis Kirk has a price match guarantee. Shipping to Krandall would only be a day from DK :thumbs:
Quote from: SULLY0556 on December 19, 2008, 05:25:45 AM
Ready for the final mounting. Nutting took about an hour, pretty easy step. I also included the nut # and description. Nutting the studs not only holds them from backing out but adds rigidity to the knob/stud combo. I couldn't nut the outside studs since there is more rubber to the outside so the studs are more burried.
****remember**** these nuts are for the new KK Kanadians which have a #12 shank. The golds and KK standards have a #8 shank so would take a smaller nut.
Dude, I can knock one out in 15-30 seconds. :lol:
Thanks for the pics. :thumbs:
Quote from: Bert on December 19, 2008, 06:26:36 PM
Dennis Kirk has a price match guarantee. Shipping to Krandall would only be a day from DK :thumbs:
Or a 10 min drive. :lol:
;)
Quote from: Krandall on December 20, 2008, 07:47:12 AM
Quote from: Bert on December 19, 2008, 06:26:36 PM
Dennis Kirk has a price match guarantee. Shipping to Krandall would only be a day from DK :thumbs:
Or a 10 min drive. :lol:
;)
I forget that not everyone lives in the U.P. which is 2-3 days from everywhere. :(
We ran Saturday and the Rappy did pretty well. I had a tire issue with one of my rears leaking bad around the bead. I broke it down last night and re-mounted it and it's ok now. :thumbs: The new tires hook up pretty well, the fronts are amazing and the rears seemed real good till the one went flat. :(
I really need to find some warm riding gloves! Any suggestions? I need somethig that won't be too bulky but keep my wimpy hands warm for more than 5 minutes. :)
Look into Snowboarding gloves. :thumbs:
I have a pair of Rome gloves. Forget which model. But, I've used them all winter riding the rappy, and haven't froze yet. :)
Are they pretty tight? Like summer riding gloves? I have a hard time fitting a bigger glove between the clutch and the hand guards when I'm reaching for it quick...
They aren't thin as summer riding gloves. but they are pretty thin. They aren't super padded like your typical winter gloves. Snowboard gloves in particular are thinner because you have to be able to strap your boots in on the hill so they make them so they are thinner, flexible, and still warm. :thumbs:
Cool! I'll check them out tonight at the sport shop. I need to drop my front tires off to get ballanced, too much wheel hop at high speed. :wootwoot:
Sully, have you tried those handwarmers that go over the bars? They allow you to ride with normal atv gloves. Ugly, but effective. :thumbs: I was skeptical, but they work great. Just slide your hands in like you would a sheep's a$$. :rofl:
Plenty of room to operate clutch, brake, etc.
Hey Sully I bought my winter gloves from DennisKirk.com I shopped in the snowmobile section & went with a Nordic glove. Tight fingers & very warm. They were around $40. Yes I would buy them again.
So I'm 4 weeks into ice-riding this year and I'm still having troubles hooking up in the rear. The fronts are amazing. I've tried tire pressures, sway bar adjustments, stiffening the rear shock, flipping the rear shock bracket to lower the back. Still not enough weight in the rear for a good grab on corners. :mad:
Last night I removed my "winter" shocks and put my stock shocks back on which are 4" taller. I maxed out the springs, then strapped them down about 2-3". I can't use my piggyback shocks because the sway arm would hit the reservoirs.
I also want to lower my back end even more so I removed the dog-bone and made a (temporary) replacement which will drop me another 2-3". I'm going to cut my dog-bone in half, drill & tap threads in it and install threaded rod so I can lengthen it as needed.
Tonight I'll put scales under all 4 wheels and see where I'm at for weight on all 4 corners so I can adjust my heights accordingly.
Any more suggestions (short of a shorter swing arm)??????
Sully
P.S.
Badwater ice rally is in 9 days!!!
1 more trophy for next weekend...
You can find pics of our track and riding on Myspace "Badwater Ice Racing". Good stuff! :)
those are some awesome trophies.
I was reading in...... dirtwheels I believe. they said running extra studs on the outside edge of the tires helped in cornering as well as help clearing snow/ice from the treads. Have you thought about doing that? ???
I don't have the room, I shaved my knobbies and the Kanadians have a big head on them. I noticed one of the guys running a KFX was cornering pretty well and they have a short wheel base and are a wheelie machine. That means the trick is likely more weight to the back of the bike. I'll weigh each wheel tonight to see where I'm at and adjust from there. I have 2-3 days of riding before the rally to get better set up. I'm not expecting a trophy but I'd like to at least run well.
I also narrowed my bike 4" overall, that did help a bit. :)
Pics from last weekend
studs sticking out at a slight angle on edge of tread? When the tire starts to roll over, the stud wil dig in. IDK. maybe less studs? Sometimes a smaller footprint = more bite. Make rear studs not linear like I see people doing alot. ALign them a little staggered. you guys have a alot more experience than I do though. good luck
a few more
Hmmmm, weight....
I forgot you shaved the knobs on them. Is it lack of tracktion or do you think your skating a little bit w/ the ammount of larger headed screws? Maybe MD will be on, he's an ice racing expert.
As for weight.. this is all I could come up with.
What about stuffing the tires w/ that hot water tube insulation stuff?
Quote from: PeelsSE2 on January 29, 2009, 10:57:50 AM
studs sticking out at a slight angle on edge of tread? When the tire starts to roll over, the stud wil dig in. IDK. maybe less studs? Sometimes a smaller footprint = more bite. Make rear studs not linear like I see people doing alot. ALign them a little staggered. you guys have a alot more experience than I do though. good luck
The C/S tires are automatically staggered, They grab when I hang my ass off the bike but I can't drive it that way. I need to transfer more weight (or gain 100lbs) :lol:
Quote from: SULLY0556 on January 29, 2009, 10:59:42 AM
Quote from: PeelsSE2 on January 29, 2009, 10:57:50 AM
studs sticking out at a slight angle on edge of tread? When the tire starts to roll over, the stud wil dig in. IDK. maybe less studs? Sometimes a smaller footprint = more bite. Make rear studs not linear like I see people doing alot. ALign them a little staggered. you guys have a alot more experience than I do though. good luck
The C/S tires are automatically staggered, They grab when I hang my ass off the bike but I can't drive it that way. I need to transfer more weight (or gain 100lbs) :lol:
try doritos and beer, that will get you the weight :lol:
Quote from: Krandall on January 29, 2009, 10:58:37 AM
Hmmmm, weight....
I forgot you shaved the knobs on them. Is it lack of tracktion or do you think your skating a little bit w/ the ammount of larger headed screws? Maybe MD will be on, he's an ice racing expert.
As for weight.. this is all I could come up with.
What about stuffing the tires w/ that hot water tube insulation stuff?
I don't think it's skating, I'm ripping up big chunks of ice but spinning too much sideways. I was also told I need to stay on the gas more in the corners due to the angle of the studs so I'll try that too. No one can catch me on the straights but I'm losing it in the corners, it also may be that I'm not nuts enough. (hell I'm 44!)
???
Quote from: PeelsSE2 on January 29, 2009, 11:01:39 AM
Quote from: SULLY0556 on January 29, 2009, 10:59:42 AM
Quote from: PeelsSE2 on January 29, 2009, 10:57:50 AM
studs sticking out at a slight angle on edge of tread? When the tire starts to roll over, the stud wil dig in. IDK. maybe less studs? Sometimes a smaller footprint = more bite. Make rear studs not linear like I see people doing alot. ALign them a little staggered. you guys have a alot more experience than I do though. good luck
The C/S tires are automatically staggered, They grab when I hang my ass off the bike but I can't drive it that way. I need to transfer more weight (or gain 100lbs) :lol:
try doritos and beer, that will get you the weight :lol:
Thanks! I can't drink beer, Tequila only. :(
Check this out! :)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=447143083
Well I built a temporary extended dogbone last night for my rear shock and dropped the ass another 4". I put my stock front shocks on the front and strapped them down about 70%. I scaled each wheel and am at about 115# on each front wheel and about 100 on each rear, when I get on the bike the fronts are about 135 and the rears are around 170. I'm hoping that is enough weight in the rear to grab better, I also can slide back a bit to transfer more weight if needed. I'll keep you posted and maybe get some pics, she looks kinda funky with the back squatted so much. :lol:
One other thing I ran into, I had a bad wheel hop at 50+mph and brought my front tires in for balancing. One needed 18oz of weight in one area to balance and the other needed 12oz. She's smooth as silk now. :thumbs:
I would suggest balancing your front tires even if you don't notice a bad hop, I've never had it ride so smooth on the ice as it does now and all it took was some sticker-weights on the inside of the rim. I put some adhesive around them to keep them in place better and it's amazing how it smoothed out the ride!!!
Well, again we start swapping the rappy over for ice racing. :clap:
New additions this year (because I'm a whimp) are heated grips and gauntlets to keep the hands warm. I also baught a spare seat and cut the foam out where I sit to keep me from sliding off the back of the bike (should help keep the arms from getting so sore). Front end lowering kit and a new (-2) swing arm to give me a little more weight on the back end in the corners.
I de-mounted my front tires and nutted every stud (they were backing out). Also learned last year to take the CCP off for the winter, they don't like the extreme cold.
Now all we need is ice!!
Yes I'm still alive Brian! :)
Sully
Brian doens't travel round these parts no more. :(
Good to hear from ya sully!
Gettin cold here. No ice on the lakes yet. Thought we were going to get an early freeze w/ the show we had a couple weeks ago
We had snow but now it's in the 40's. I'm pumped to ride though! You coming over this winter for a weekend? First weekend of Feb is our big shindig again... :)
shoot me your addy. I'd love to make it up there!
Hello Sully! Good to see you....but why start with this topic? Not ready for the ice yet! :mad:
:lol:
It's coming so you might as well look forward to it! :lol: Besides, I don't have to clean up dog crap in the winter! :thumbs:
Quote from: SULLY0556 on October 20, 2009, 12:18:45 PM
It's coming so you might as well look forward to it! :lol: Besides, I don't have to clean up dog crap in the winter! :thumbs:
:lol: Oh yeah...and the lawn quits growing! :lol:
Well, she's a mess right now but it's fun working when the weather is crappy. Snowed last night again...
a few more "before" pics
Are you doing the swing arm yourself?
Very cool!
pretty nifty sully.
Thanks and yes, I'm doing the swing arm myself. I needed it 1-1/2" shorter for better traction since it won't scale out right with the stocker. We'll see how it works.... ???
Next question is which fenders look better?
full fenders for safety's sake. :thumbs:
I ran cut last year but I like the full look better. It made me nervous with my ass hangin' over the rear studded tires also... :lol:
So I'm a wimp! I installed heated grips and wind-jammers this weekend. I also got tired of digging for the battery to put a charger on it when it's -20 so I added a set of remote charging studs. I'm getting lazy in my old age. ;)
The bars on the end of the grips are to keep my hands from sliding off when I'm cornering.
:)
Quote from: Krandall on November 03, 2009, 04:30:30 PM
full fenders for safety's sake. :thumbs:
Here's one of our buddie's ass after falling onto his rear tire last year...... You can actually see the dual cuts from the studs.. :rofl: He was ok.
:jaw:
Makes me cringe! :help:
He doused it with rubbing alcohol to clean it out, Said he almost went thru the roof! :rofl:
Just finished welding the -2 swing arm. Time for some clean-up and paint.
:)
that is pretty sexy sully. nice job.
Thanks! I painted it last night with (my favorite) bedliner paint and should have it installed and ready to scale out tonight. :thumbs:
Well, I took her down the road last night and the swing arm works good so far. We'll see how she works on the ice. :)
This is the "winter seat" I modified to keep my cracker-ass on the bike. :)
Rappy's good to go for the ice. :thumbs: Tires look funky because of the skins to protect the Kold Kutters.
Finished studding my sons bike, it'll be his first year on the ice with a dirt bike. ;)
With the swing arm shortened, I needed an adjustable suspension link that had a custom length so my buddy took my spare link and modified it. It now has a link in the middle with left and right hand threads so I can raise or lower the ass end as needed to scale out. I also have a set of race-car scales so I can accurately measure my weight on each tire or any combo needed. :clap:
Well the new rear link is on tha the front is widened. She's pretty low and I'll scale it out this week. I had to grind a bit on the rear suspension twin-link for clearance with the shorter swing arm but she looks good. :thumbs:
Done.
Plowing the track this weekend! :clap:
thick enough for a quad on there already?!!! DANG!!!!
Our local lake just froze over this weekend.
It was frozen over last weekend, We're heading out Sunday to plow, We'll drill first to make sure we have at least 4". It's been cold as crap here all week so we'll be good. :)
4" of ice is all that is required? Call me when it doubles that :lol:
4" good for 1 ton
6" good for 2 tons
7" good for 3 tons
8" good for 4 tons
Army core of engineers. :thumbs:
Nice!
Quote from: SULLY0556 on December 09, 2009, 11:49:58 AM
4" good for 1 ton
6" good for 2 tons
7" good for 3 tons
8" good for 4 tons
Army core of engineers. :thumbs:
well just paint me yellow then. :lol:
good info to know though
I still let the bigger guys go out in front of me. If the don't fall thru, then I'm good to go. :thumbs:
Plenty of ice Sunday, 4-7" but the wind blew all the snow off the ice. :'( We got a little last night so maybe we can plow this week. HArd to make a track with no snow for banks. :(
We were swapping my buddies tires on his WR450 to his winter studs Friday night, Just putting the chain over the sproket when the bead let go and the tire blew off the rim. Scared the crap out of us both and ruined a $375 tire. :mad: He must have damaged it when taking it off last spring and we didn't catch it when we were putting it on. Lucky for us no one got hurt. I hate dirt bikes!! :lol:
I've got the cleanest and warmest garage of the bunch so I now have 3 bikes and 2 quads in my garage with one more bike coming this week to set up. :lol:
Nice!!!
sucks about the snow. but at least you got the ice :)
We'll be riding this weekend, 4" of fresh stuff today. :clap:
I cannot believe it took me so long to stumble upon this thread! I am wanting to stud my tires and ride some ice. Zippers are fun on the snow, but they are only good in a straight line. The atv gear place up the road has "take off" tires that they sell for 30 bucks a tire. Also have a set of holeshot H-D's that have a good amount of meat on them yet too. Need an excuse to buy new tires, so the H-D's may get it. Dunno which way to go. Do you run an 18" tire or is 20" or taller better?
Sully, where exactly are you located? I'm just south of Green Bay. I'd love to get out and give it a whirl. I'm not all hardcore and lowered and widened, but always looking for a way to get some more seat time in, especially in the winter!
Awesome info guys!
Welcome!! I run 18" rears along with most of the quads, I think Holeshots would work well with an "x" pattern in them. Keep the studs spaced apart as far as possible on each log to prevent clogging. Keep the studs off the pavement, cement, and dirt or they'll be junk!!!
We're in Iron Mountain and company is always welcome! We also head down to FonDuLac and ride on the big lake a few times a year which is a blast! P/M me for a phone number and we'll hook up. :thumbs:
Well, We'll be plowing the track tomorrow :clap: Last weekend was a bust since all the snow blew off the lake. 6+" of ice now so we should be plenty safe. :thumbs: I'll try to post up some pics Monday.
Sully
Have a great time Sully!!!! Looking forward to your guys pics!!! They are always awesome!
First weekend out! :clap: Plowed for 2 hours Saturday (left the Rappy home) but a few guys tried out the track. Came back Sunday and rode with about 9 bikes. We only did the outside track and will add the technical stuff on the inside when we het better ice. It was FAST!!!
More weekend pics :thumbs:
I had the camera so no action shots of me on the bike. :(
The only pic of me all weekend. :rolleyes:
Note Mark's flowing PINK scarf, What a goof!! We even had some slammers out for the day. :D
Now for the Rappy report.
-2 swing-arm: She cornered a little better but still broke traction if I got on it too hard on the sharp corners. I had a little too much air in the rear tires but left it since it was my first weekend out. I thought it would make a bigger difference but I can raise my front end up a bit for more back traction now, I'll also scale the bike this week to see where I'm at on each tire. All in all that was a good mod, I'm definately faster than last year already.
Widened and lowered front end: Loved it!! I felt totally solid in all situations and steering was just fine.
Cut seat: Love it! My ass stayed right where I wanted it at all times, My arms didn't get tired at all from pulling myself back up on the bike. :) Everyone was checking that mod out! :thumbs:
Heated grips and gauntlets: This was BY FAR the best improvement!! I ran with no gloves at all and my hands were toasty. You can get a much better feel for the bike without big winter gloves and you can ride forever if your hands never get cold. My only issue was my new snowmobile helmets visor kept fogging up but I'll work that out this week. Gauntlets pulled a little in the corners making it hard to find the throttle when I had riding gloves on, I wish the arm-holes were a bit bigger but I'll get used to it.
All in all it was a good first ride and I'll have a few things to tweak before next Sunday.
Sully
nicE!!! heated grips and gauntlets!
Thats awesome Sully! Sounds like an EXCELLENT time out there!!!! Had a great weekend for riding too. Wish I could have played! :)
The invitation is open for anyone! P/M me and I'll set you up.
First weekend of Feb is our annual Badwater race day. :boat:
:mad: No riding this weekend, 5" of water on the track and lots of open water where the springs pushed thru the ice. Too much warm weather and snow in the last week. It's a mess right now but the track should be nice when the water on top freezes again.....
I'm moving my posts on this subject to:
http://www.raptorsource.com/forum/index.php?topic=5876.new;topicseen
I have seen guys try to off set tires, It does not work. You do not want to go with a plus anything forward a-arm and you really don't want to extend the swinger! On the flat track we run +2 wider +0 forward a-arms we run stock length or -1 to 1.5 swingers, 5.5 x10 fronts and 59 x10 x10 or x9 in the rear We run sway bars and if you change the off set or stretch one side forward it will not work right. 50 inches is max for width, and lower is good but do not go to the point that the a-arms are level with the ground the does not work either. Sometimes guys will run different tire compounds, harder on the right and softer on the left. You will always offset tire pressure, and change it as the track condition changes. Suspension it critical, compression rebound and preload. Most of this will not matter for someone just starting, but as you learn to ride and turn left it makes all the difference. Remember that one second slower in a ten lap race on a ten second oval puts you a full lap down. Have fun the adjustments never end and the track or tracks change all night long.