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[Colorado700R]

One of the global anti-american setiments is that the US can wage war from afar and level a country with out a single bullet flying on us soil.  

Sadams hatred for us for the decimation of his armed forces and infrastructure was fuel enough to reach out to an other wise "non-desirable" with a common goal to achieve an attack and support future attacks on the US soil.

Again, Saddam was not a threat to US national security. The crippling sanctions to Iraq and the no fly zone established by our Air Force took care of that. Saddam could have possibly financed an attack with his large amount of wealth, but I honestly doubt he would have attempted anything like. What would he have gained by attacking the US? Fame? Fortune? He was already wealthy, and we've had a firm grip oin his balls since 1991.

~Brian

As we've seen, any destablizing threat to the middle east is a threat to us national security.  There is much more to the US national security than just safeguard attacks.  Oil supply is a definate threat, hence the push for non dependance.  If the world shut off our oil supply, the life we live now will drastically end, causing chaos, discontent, rioting, etc.  We are in no position to just cut the emblical to foreign sources yet, hopefully soon that will change.

[Colorado700R]

I don't want to step in between you to.. BUT...

If they had WMD's... How come they can tell me when North Korea appears to be rebuilding a nuclear powerplant / centerfuge but can't tell me where some huge ass missiles have moved. The fact is.. the US is always watching... If they DID have them. in my opinion, they would have found them. I know the desert is big. But so is our governments eyes.

Radation is easy to track, along with the massive energy required for there construction.  Chemical/biological is just as dangerous/ perhaps even more but hard to track.

missles are big and easy to spot.  Artillery rounds are not, hence the weapon of choice for IEDs.  Chemical and biological arty rounds and battlefield rockets are the big scare in IRAQ

[Flynbyu]

Our men and women choose to take the oath to defend OUR country.

As you know, the oath also includes enemies foreign and domestic.

It's not near as important for me to see the proof as the families of the fallen. To let them know their loved ones didn't die in vain.

Ask the famlies of the fallen if they think their loved ones dies in vain, and I bet you get a different answer than your thought.

Iraq was not the enemy. Saddam may have had the ability to starte chemical weapons again, but there hasn't been a trace of chemical weapons or nuclear weapons in almost seven years of us in country.

If there was, the Bush administration would have been all over the airwaves and rubbing it the face of all the countries that didn't offer their support, not to mention to save his own ass and save face with the American public and the international community.

~Brian

[Colorado700R]

, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me GERD.[1]

Bubbas orders with the Iraqi liberation act + W's congressionally sactioned orders.

I know this oath and it's meaning very well.  Our guys/girls did what they were told to do per these legal orders.

Not all heros get to fight the fight they want, but it makes them non-the-less, heros.

[Peelz]

, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me GERD.[1]

Bubbas orders with the Iraqi liberation act + W's congressionally sactioned orders.

I know this oath and it's meaning very well.  Our guys/girls did what they were told to do per these legal orders.

Not all heros get to fight the fight they want, but it makes them non-the-less, heros.

Well stated Brutha. Nobody is saying they aren't.

[Flynbyu]

But what if the President is a douche bag?

Just calling a spade a spade.

I understand you must obey. It doesn't mean you have to agree.

I just feel the families of the fallen are owed the truth, as well as those taxpayers that have footed the bill for this mess.

~Brian

[Peelz]

He was a douche bag, but I cannot pretend to know wtf is going on, and frankly, in most cases, don't want to.

And I ageee, nobody has owned it. Still waiting.

[Flynbyu]

I really wish Iraq would kick in some cash to help pay for this shit......Help the families of the fallen at the minimum.

~Brian

[Colorado700R]

But what if the President is a douche bag?

Just calling a spade a spade.

I understand you must obey. It doesn't mean you have to agree.

I just feel the families of the fallen are owed the truth, as well as those taxpayers that have footed the bill for this mess.

~Brian

I understand you contempt Brian.  But I hate when people say our troops died in vain.  They died doing their job.  No less honorable than a firman dying by rushing into a burning abandoned building to rescue a crack head that started the fire.  No one cares about the building, nor the crack head, but non the less the fireman is a hero, and just doing his job.

[Peelz]

Aaron is full of intelligent analogies today. -nobody cares about the crackhead.

FUnny, but seriously true. I getz no love. 

[Colorado700R]

Aaron is full of intelligent analogies today. -nobody cares about the crackhead.

FUnny, but seriously true. I getz no love. 

Stop setting preddy's house on fire and perhaps that might change 

[Flynbyu]

They died doing their job, it's unfortunate.

It just seems they died in vain with no one stepping up and being accountable for our actions there.

~Brian

[Colorado700R]

They died doing their job, it's unfortunate.

It just seems they died in vain with no one stepping up and being accountable for our actions there.

~Brian

We should be used to that by now.  Kennedy cost us over 50,000 troops (vietnam) + over 20,000 cubans and brought us to within minutes of global thermonuclear war twice over not much more than ego, and we laud him as one of our greatest presidents.

One of the things I learned through my duties and travels is that we Americans are only satisfied when our pocket books are fat.  Kennedy almost f@cked us all, but it was an economic boom, therefore he's a hero.  Same with Clinton, could have saved a few hundred thousand lives in the balken's , but economics are good so..hero.  Bush senior led us through the gulf war in a sweaping victory, but the economy was sluggish, so next.

IMO, there is no poor people in America.  There is always a helping hand available through our structure, charities, and organizations (they may not make you rich, but they will do quite a bit if you ask).

If you want poor, go look at some of the african counties.  No food, clean water, health care.....nothing, and no one to help....ever.


We as Americans are spoiled, and need to understand that we live a privilaged life compared to most of the world.  A lot of folks say "we need to take care of our people here first!!!".  Compared to the world, we don't have problems

[FoundArealQuad]

+1 going to a few countries like that is a real eye opener

[Peelz]

+1 going to a few countries like that is a real eye opener

The people in these countries need to stop having so many GERD-damned babies! The land obviously can't support such giant populations, but they keep squirting them out. "hmm can't afford to feed ourselves, let's make more of us" Genius. Then we have to help them not to live in squalor.  I feel the need to help those less fortunate than me, just not the stupid ones.

There are some parts of the rural midwest that aren't all that great guys.  Sometimes we do need help here. Silicon valley is becoming that way too.