Kenny, I've read about your valve for the crankcase pressure on the "other" forum. Can you explain it's operation, and effects on performance?
You have any pictures?
Aaron
+1
I have purchased this and ran it on the dyno to test it out and it gave 1-1.5 hp. It will keep your engine running better overall and releases the pressure from inside the crank case (creating a vaccum). IMO this is one of the most inexpensive mods that really help out all around. Better ring seal, smooths out the power curve,keeps oil cleaner Great buy :thumbs:
Quote from: J-HILT on June 09, 2008, 03:43:48 PM
I have purchased this and ran it on the dyno to test it out and it gave 1-1.5 hp. It will keep your engine running better overall and releases the pressure from inside the crank case (creating a vaccum). IMO this is one of the most inexpensive mods that really help out all around. Better ring seal, smooths out the power curve,keeps oil cleaner Great buy :thumbs:
When you say smooths out the power curve, are you refering to the over rev (+6800 RPM) ??
Also do you have the before and after Dyno read-outs available to post?
Aaron
It is smoother all the way thru the power bend... I don't have before and after but when my bike was being dynoed I forgot to put it on and it gave my +1.5hp peak when installed :thumbs:
do you have a pic of it installed
Quote from: downfour on June 09, 2008, 06:11:36 PM
do you have a pic of it installed
Here ya go and the new fueltatv intake, damn the fucker can suck :clap:
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b340/JHILT/quad-1.jpg)
It doesn't necessarily release pressure from the crankcase, the crankcase vent line from the factory does that. This is a check valve installed in the factory vent line that prevents the crankcase from taking air back in on the compression stroke. It creates a negative pressure in the crankcase that apparently aids in ring seal. I bought one but haven't installed it yet.
I won't pretend to be an expert though. Kenny can give a much better explanation.
Quote from: pdxmatt on June 09, 2008, 07:29:32 PM
It doesn't necessarily release pressure from the crankcase, the crankcase vent line from the factory does that. This is a check valve installed in the factory vent line that prevents the crankcase from taking air back in on the compression stroke. It creates a negative pressure in the crankcase that apparently aids in ring seal. I bought one but haven't installed it yet.
I won't pretend to be an expert though. Kenny can give a much better explanation.
Well install it and then compare and see how much more air pressure comes out first :P
so you can you hook it up inside the airbox..
Quote from: J-HILT on June 09, 2008, 07:34:55 PM
Quote from: pdxmatt on June 09, 2008, 07:29:32 PM
It doesn't necessarily release pressure from the crankcase, the crankcase vent line from the factory does that. This is a check valve installed in the factory vent line that prevents the crankcase from taking air back in on the compression stroke. It creates a negative pressure in the crankcase that apparently aids in ring seal. I bought one but haven't installed it yet.
I won't pretend to be an expert though. Kenny can give a much better explanation.
Well install it and then compare and see how much more air pressure comes out first :P
Is your point that it seems like more air is coming out?
You guys have done quite a nice job! :clap: Not much I can add, except that I have already found people trying to do knock offs (that fail EVERY time). These things will pay for themselves with fuel savings alone. :grin_nod:
Quote from: Kenny on June 09, 2008, 09:50:03 PM
You guys have done quite a nice job! :clap: Not much I can add, except that I have already found people trying to do knock offs (that fail EVERY time). These things will pay for themselves with fuel savings alone. :grin_nod:
PM me a qoute for both models please, and can you post picks for everyone to see?
Thanks,
Aaron
Kenny is like Willy Wonka....if he makes it....you pretty much want it, lol ;)
Here are the pics. I'll stick with my previous intro prices of $70+$5 sh for the inline version and $130+$5 sh for the cam cover version. Get 'em while you can because I'll be raising the prices $15 for each version :grin_nod:
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee157/kennybasham/Throttlebody063.jpg)
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee157/kennybasham/Brake_Vacuum_Booster_Valve_02.jpg)
Okay, here is my best explanation; When the piston comes to bottom dead center, the crankcase will be at max pressure. This pressure bleeds out through the valve. The valve will slam shut, trapping vacuum as the piston goes back up. This stabilizes the rings and improves seal. The valve is extremely sensitive and durable. I have a guy build these for me that actually has a patent on them. They withstand nitromethane and methanol. I just happened to be in the right place, at the right time when I found these badboys :grin_nod:
Thanks for the pics and write up Kenny. You have been helpful as always.
Money enroute for Dylthiium Crystals I mean cam cover evacuator valve :thumbs:
:grin_nod:
so it's a pcv valve from a car basically?
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 16, 2008, 07:47:32 AM
so it's a pcv valve from a car basically?
Not even close :thumbs:
question..
when the valve releases the pressure while the piston is at bottom and the piston goes back up. How does the crank case get more air? Wouldn't the piston on the way back up try to pull air in? If it's not coming through the valve, is it pulling it through the rings?
Or am I missing something?
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 12:39:04 PM
question..
when the valve releases the pressure while the piston is at bottom and the piston goes back up. How does the crank case get more air? Wouldn't the piston on the way back up try to pull air in? If it's not coming through the valve, is it pulling it through the rings?
Or am I missing something?
The crankcase does'nt get more air, thats what makes it work. When the piston goes up in its stroke it creates a vacume and forces the rings outward for a more positive seal.
Quote from: preddy08 on June 16, 2008, 12:55:56 PM
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 12:39:04 PM
question..
when the valve releases the pressure while the piston is at bottom and the piston goes back up. How does the crank case get more air? Wouldn't the piston on the way back up try to pull air in? If it's not coming through the valve, is it pulling it through the rings?
Or am I missing something?
The crankcase does'nt get more air, thats what makes it work. When the piston goes up in its stroke it creates a vacume and forces the rings outward for a more positive seal.
So how does more air get in the crank? seepage past the rings? This thing obviously lets out more air than just 1 puff right?
Sorry if I'm coming across as a noob. I'm learning ;)
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 12:58:27 PM
Quote from: preddy08 on June 16, 2008, 12:55:56 PM
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 12:39:04 PM
question..
when the valve releases the pressure while the piston is at bottom and the piston goes back up. How does the crank case get more air? Wouldn't the piston on the way back up try to pull air in? If it's not coming through the valve, is it pulling it through the rings?
Or am I missing something?
The crankcase does'nt get more air, thats what makes it work. When the piston goes up in its stroke it creates a vacume and forces the rings outward for a more positive seal.
So how does more air get in the crank? seepage past the rings? This thing obviously lets out more air than just 1 puff right?
Sorry if I'm coming across as a noob. I'm learning ;)
Thats the beauty of this valve, is that there is NO "air" in the crankcase on an upward stroke.
Quote from: preddy08 on June 16, 2008, 01:06:16 PM
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 12:58:27 PM
Quote from: preddy08 on June 16, 2008, 12:55:56 PM
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 12:39:04 PM
question..
when the valve releases the pressure while the piston is at bottom and the piston goes back up. How does the crank case get more air? Wouldn't the piston on the way back up try to pull air in? If it's not coming through the valve, is it pulling it through the rings?
Or am I missing something?
The crankcase does'nt get more air, thats what makes it work. When the piston goes up in its stroke it creates a vacume and forces the rings outward for a more positive seal.
So how does more air get in the crank? seepage past the rings? This thing obviously lets out more air than just 1 puff right?
Sorry if I'm coming across as a noob. I'm learning ;)
Thats the beauty of this valve, is that there is NO "air" in the crankcase on an upward stroke.
I get that part
Why not just warm up the motor, move the piston to where it's all the way down (farthest it can go down) and then seal the crank exhaust hole?
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 01:10:17 PM
Quote from: preddy08 on June 16, 2008, 01:06:16 PM
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 12:58:27 PM
Quote from: preddy08 on June 16, 2008, 12:55:56 PM
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 12:39:04 PM
question..
when the valve releases the pressure while the piston is at bottom and the piston goes back up. How does the crank case get more air? Wouldn't the piston on the way back up try to pull air in? If it's not coming through the valve, is it pulling it through the rings?
Or am I missing something?
The crankcase does'nt get more air, thats what makes it work. When the piston goes up in its stroke it creates a vacume and forces the rings outward for a more positive seal.
So how does more air get in the crank? seepage past the rings? This thing obviously lets out more air than just 1 puff right?
Sorry if I'm coming across as a noob. I'm learning ;)
Thats the beauty of this valve, is that there is NO "air" in the crankcase on an upward stroke.
I get that part
Why not just warm up the motor, move the piston to where it's all the way down (farthest it can go down) and then seal the crank exhaust hole?
That is kinda what its doing, but its doing it every revolution. Air will bleed off from the rings and from other misc area. So if you do it once it may last 30 seconds, this valve does it every storke.
I gotcha. It sorta makes sense.. It makes the most sense on the up stroke creating the vaccum making a better seal. But what's wrong with just letting it breathe like it is set up stock? I mean sure you don't get the vaccum, but it'd be letting out the pressure just the same correct?
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 02:00:52 PM
I gotcha. It sorta makes sense.. It makes the most sense on the up stroke creating the vaccum making a better seal. But what's wrong with just letting it breathe like it is set up stock? I mean sure you don't get the vaccum, but it'd be letting out the pressure just the same correct?
Someone eles said expained it as if you were to put a brick and a feather in a jar and suck all the air out of it. They would both fall at the same rate. Its all about resistance.
As it is set up stock, it sucks and blows with every stroke :rofl: :rofl: get your mind out of the gutter, that is the best way to describe it.
hmm, wouldn't there be more resistance though with the valve then? because with the piston going up, it's creating a vacuum which would create more resistance on the piston moving upward correct?
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 02:43:53 PM
hmm, wouldn't there be more resistance though with the valve then? because with the piston going up, it's creating a vacuum which would create more resistance on the piston moving upward correct?
Correct, but the vacum created is
GREATLY overcame by the force of the motor.
Quote from: preddy08 on June 16, 2008, 02:26:49 PM
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 02:00:52 PM
I gotcha. It sorta makes sense.. It makes the most sense on the up stroke creating the vaccum making a better seal. But what's wrong with just letting it breathe like it is set up stock? I mean sure you don't get the vaccum, but it'd be letting out the pressure just the same correct?
Someone eles said expained it as if you were to put a brick and a feather in a jar and suck all the air out of it. They would both fall at the same rate. Its all about resistance.
As it is set up stock, it sucks and blows with every stroke :rofl: :rofl: get your mind out of the gutter, that is the best way to describe it.
I was just thinking about that statement was all.. But in a nutshell the whole thing makes sense to me now. nice work kenny :clap:
Colorado
Have you tried yours yet?
I gave mine to my buddy with a Z400 to try & he hasn't yet installed ???
So... I'm on my second clutch cover gasket. Any chance this baby will keep "pressure" down on that side of the motor???
Quote from: Bert on June 16, 2008, 10:46:02 PM
Colorado
Have you tried yours yet?
I gave mine to my buddy with a Z400 to try & he hasn't yet installed ???
Haven't got it yet, I'll do a full install/ performance opinion write up when I get it :thumbs:
dude it's a pcv valve.... <---ase cert master auto tech
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 17, 2008, 11:09:29 AM
dude it's a pcv valve.... <---ase cert master auto tech
Kinda...........
word for word in what it does it's just not routed back into the air intake for emission reasons....
I have both types of valves and love them both.
They definitely have a great product at a great price.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh12/richw3533/My%20Quad%20Done/Done-1.gif)
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh12/richw3533/Evac-Valve.gif)
Quote from: richw3533 on June 17, 2008, 11:46:30 AM
I have both types of valves and love them both.
They definitely have a great product at a great price.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh12/richw3533/My%20Quad%20Done/Done-1.gif)
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh12/richw3533/Evac-Valve.gif)
Love that quad Rich :thumbs:
BTW, wasn't it just in July Dirt wheels? :grin_nod:
It was actually. My R1 bike will be in there soon also.
Thank you very much for noticing.
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 17, 2008, 11:19:06 AM
word for word in what it does it's just not routed back into the air intake for emission reasons....
It does perform the same function, but the internal design is far superior. The guy that builds these for me has a patent on the design. They are far more sensitive and durable. They also withstand nitromethane and methanol. A PCV valve off the shelf doesn't seal like these do, and they fail every time. So in the strict sense of the term it is, but the performance is nowhere close. I've already had guys trying to save a few bucks, and getting covered with oil when a PCV valve fails :thumbs:
Quote from: Kenny on June 17, 2008, 12:03:27 PM
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 17, 2008, 11:19:06 AM
word for word in what it does it's just not routed back into the air intake for emission reasons....
It does perform the same function, but the internal design is far superior. The guy that builds these for me has a patent on the design. They are far more sensitive and durable. They also withstand nitromethane and methanol. A PCV valve off the shelf doesn't seal like these do, and they fail every time. So in the strict sense of the term it is, but the performance is nowhere close. I've already had guys trying to save a few bucks, and getting covered with oil when a PCV valve fails :thumbs:
Shame on them for not buying your sweet product!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 17, 2008, 11:09:29 AM
dude it's a pcv valve.... <---ase cert master auto tech
hmmm same idea kinda but not so much ???
So, is anyone installing a filter on this thing to keep dirt from settling in there? I have to install mine and I bought a stainless mesh breather to put on the end of it.
Any Thoughts?
Jay
Quote from: desdak4 on June 18, 2008, 06:28:53 PM
So, is anyone installing a filter on this thing to keep dirt from settling in there? I have to install mine and I bought a stainless mees brether to put on the end of it.
Any Thoughts?
Jay
Yes, there should be some sort of precaution taken to keep dirt out. :thumbs:
I just figured dirt and any valve do not mix. So, I found this little stainless mesh breather filter to put on the end.
Jay
question...
Is there a reason to have both the timing cover one AND the crank case?
And could you PM me a price... ;)
-Randy
I was told you just run either one. If you have the cover you have to block off the breather hose.
Jay
Kenny, did my valve get shipped?
Aaron
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 23, 2008, 11:38:26 AM
Kenny, did my valve get shipped?
Aaron
She's on her way :thumbs:
I wanted to let everyone who didn't think of it, to make sure and look in your breather line before installing your valve. I looked in mine and it actually had sand in it so I took it off and blew it out with the compressor.
Jay
Quote from: desdak4 on June 24, 2008, 07:13:18 PM
I wanted to let everyone who didn't think of it, to make sure and look in your breather line before installing your valve. I looked in mine and it actually had sand in it so I took it off and blew it out with the compressor.
Jay
So Jay that was with airbox, no lid & breather line hooked up to airbox?
I'll take a look in mine.......
Yeah, the breather was hooked up completely stock with no lid and there was sand in the line.
Jay
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 17, 2008, 11:19:06 AM
word for word in what it does it's just not routed back into the air intake for emission reasons....
....exactly!!...better sealing...maybe? But will it make so much negative pressure that it will start too pull in pollutant's through the seals or maybe a leaky gasket....Seems like snake oil to ME!!...
Quote from: Bosco on June 26, 2008, 03:41:22 AM
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 17, 2008, 11:19:06 AM
word for word in what it does it's just not routed back into the air intake for emission reasons....
....exactly!!...better sealing...maybe? But will it make so much negative pressure that it will start too pull in pollutant's through the seals or maybe a leaky gasket....Seems like snake oil to ME!!...
Cool....I'll take 4hp worth of snake oil please. One thing you can count on: If I sell it, it works.....Period. It's the way I run my business. This is a design theory that has proven itself in every form of racing, I just happened to get a valve that does the job without a pump. If your seals are so leaky that pollutants will come back through, this valve should be the last of your worries. I'll post dyno numbers as soon as Photobucket comes back up, 8)
Here it is on a fresh build, where the rings had not seated yet. As the rings seat, the power curve will smooth out. :thumbs:
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee157/kennybasham/withwithoutCCvalve.jpg)
My question is.. (Even though I already have one on the way.. :P )
I'm assuming that graph was from the same Bike. How come the curve on it is smooth stock, but when you put the valve in, it's choppy?
Quote from: Krandall on June 26, 2008, 07:31:29 AM
My question is.. (Even though I already have one on the way.. :P )
I'm assuming that graph was from the same Bike. How come the curve on it is smooth stock, but when you put the valve in, it's choppy?
The rings haven't seated yet. It will smooth out as they seal :grin_nod:
Quote from: Kenny on June 26, 2008, 08:30:33 AM
Quote from: Krandall on June 26, 2008, 07:31:29 AM
My question is.. (Even though I already have one on the way.. :P )
I'm assuming that graph was from the same Bike. How come the curve on it is smooth stock, but when you put the valve in, it's choppy?
The rings haven't seated yet. It will smooth out as they seal :grin_nod:
I get that. But how come it's not choppy when the Valve is not installed? ???
I wish I had a good answer ???
Quote from: Kenny on June 26, 2008, 09:04:20 AM
I wish I had a good answer ???
:lol:
Well.. I'm a noob.. You can make something up and I'll believe ya :rofl:
Kenny was mine shipped USPS, FEDEX or UPS?
Still not here :(
He usually ships USPS well at least thats how I got it :thumbs:
Quote from: J-HILT on June 26, 2008, 08:11:13 PM
He usually ships USPS well at least thats how I got it :thumbs:
Oh well, maybe tomorrow then :(
Thanks :thumbs:
I did a little modifying to mine to accommodate for the littler air cleaner and the new fuel tank. I will get installed pictures soon.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh12/richw3533/My%20Quad%20Done/DSC07200.gif)
And here I was all proud of my setup thanks :'( :lol:
Jay
Quote from: Kenny on June 26, 2008, 06:19:23 AM
Quote from: Bosco on June 26, 2008, 03:41:22 AM
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 17, 2008, 11:19:06 AM
word for word in what it does it's just not routed back into the air intake for emission reasons....
....exactly!!...better sealing...maybe? But will it make so much negative pressure that it will start too pull in pollutant's through the seals or maybe a leaky gasket....Seems like snake oil to ME!!...
Cool....I'll take 4hp worth of snake oil please. One thing you can count on: If I sell it, it works.....Period. It's the way I run my business. This is a design theory that has proven itself in every form of racing, I just happened to get a valve that does the job without a pump. If your seals are so leaky that pollutants will come back through, this valve should be the last of your worries. I'll post dyno numbers as soon as Photobucket comes back up, 8)
...I never said that it would not work!....My point was/is the possible negative side affects of the unit! My seals are ok, what I meant by that statement is that an unknowing individual may purchase this unit and do some very costly damage to their machine!...What do you say to them then........"this valve should be the last of your worries" ??.....btw the motor is a pump! ;)
Quote from: Krandall on June 26, 2008, 08:33:21 AM
Quote from: Kenny on June 26, 2008, 08:30:33 AM
Quote from: Krandall on June 26, 2008, 07:31:29 AM
My question is.. (Even though I already have one on the way.. :P )
I'm assuming that graph was from the same Bike. How come the curve on it is smooth stock, but when you put the valve in, it's choppy?
The rings haven't seated yet. It will smooth out as they seal :grin_nod:
I get that. But how come it's not choppy when the Valve is not installed? ???
Maybe the valve is Failing :lol:.........
Quote from: Bosco on June 27, 2008, 03:21:21 AM
Quote from: Kenny on June 26, 2008, 06:19:23 AM
Quote from: Bosco on June 26, 2008, 03:41:22 AM
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 17, 2008, 11:19:06 AM
word for word in what it does it's just not routed back into the air intake for emission reasons....
....exactly!!...better sealing...maybe? But will it make so much negative pressure that it will start too pull in pollutant's through the seals or maybe a leaky gasket....Seems like snake oil to ME!!...
Cool....I'll take 4hp worth of snake oil please. One thing you can count on: If I sell it, it works.....Period. It's the way I run my business. This is a design theory that has proven itself in every form of racing, I just happened to get a valve that does the job without a pump. If your seals are so leaky that pollutants will come back through, this valve should be the last of your worries. I'll post dyno numbers as soon as Photobucket comes back up, 8)
...I never said that it would not work!....My point was/is the possible negative side affects of the unit! My seals are ok, what I meant by that statement is that an unknowing individual may purchase this unit and do some very costly damage to their machine!...What do you say to them then........"this valve should be the last of your worries" ??.....btw the motor is a pump! ;)
So what do you see is the negative of this??? What negative side affects can this produce and why??? What kind of damage may this cause?? I am curious to know your reasoning...Thanks
Quote from: J-HILT on June 27, 2008, 07:55:42 AM
Quote from: Bosco on June 27, 2008, 03:21:21 AM
Quote from: Kenny on June 26, 2008, 06:19:23 AM
Quote from: Bosco on June 26, 2008, 03:41:22 AM
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 17, 2008, 11:19:06 AM
word for word in what it does it's just not routed back into the air intake for emission reasons....
....exactly!!...better sealing...maybe? But will it make so much negative pressure that it will start too pull in pollutant's through the seals or maybe a leaky gasket....Seems like snake oil to ME!!...
Cool....I'll take 4hp worth of snake oil please. One thing you can count on: If I sell it, it works.....Period. It's the way I run my business. This is a design theory that has proven itself in every form of racing, I just happened to get a valve that does the job without a pump. If your seals are so leaky that pollutants will come back through, this valve should be the last of your worries. I'll post dyno numbers as soon as Photobucket comes back up, 8)
...I never said that it would not work!....My point was/is the possible negative side affects of the unit! My seals are ok, what I meant by that statement is that an unknowing individual may purchase this unit and do some very costly damage to their machine!...What do you say to them then........"this valve should be the last of your worries" ??.....btw the motor is a pump! ;)
So what do you see is the negative of this??? What negative side affects can this produce and why??? What kind of damage may this cause?? I am curious to know your reasoning...Thanks
+1
Quote from: richw3533 on June 26, 2008, 09:17:25 PM
I did a little modifying to mine to accommodate for the littler air cleaner and the new fuel tank. I will get installed pictures soon.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh12/richw3533/My%20Quad%20Done/DSC07200.gif)
Rich that will look great on your Rappy :thumbs: I can't wait for pics
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 26, 2008, 06:03:40 PM
Kenny was mine shipped USPS, FEDEX or UPS?
Still not here :(
USPS. If you did not get it today, let's give till tomorrow, then I'll kick my mailman's ass! :jaw:
Quote from: Kenny on June 27, 2008, 05:11:56 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 26, 2008, 06:03:40 PM
Kenny was mine shipped USPS, FEDEX or UPS?
Still not here :(
USPS. If you did not get it today, let's give till tomorrow, then I'll kick my mailman's ass! :jaw:
You put the address as Colorado, not Columbia right :lol:
i wish raptors always came with those #'s
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 27, 2008, 08:04:26 AM
Quote from: J-HILT on June 27, 2008, 07:55:42 AM
Quote from: Bosco on June 27, 2008, 03:21:21 AM
Quote from: Kenny on June 26, 2008, 06:19:23 AM
Quote from: Bosco on June 26, 2008, 03:41:22 AM
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 17, 2008, 11:19:06 AM
word for word in what it does it's just not routed back into the air intake for emission reasons....
....exactly!!...better sealing...maybe? But will it make so much negative pressure that it will start too pull in pollutant's through the seals or maybe a leaky gasket....Seems like snake oil to ME!!...
Cool....I'll take 4hp worth of snake oil please. One thing you can count on: If I sell it, it works.....Period. It's the way I run my business. This is a design theory that has proven itself in every form of racing, I just happened to get a valve that does the job without a pump. If your seals are so leaky that pollutants will come back through, this valve should be the last of your worries. I'll post dyno numbers as soon as Photobucket comes back up, 8)
...I never said that it would not work!....My point was/is the possible negative side affects of the unit! My seals are ok, what I meant by that statement is that an unknowing individual may purchase this unit and do some very costly damage to their machine!...What do you say to them then........"this valve should be the last of your worries" ??.....btw the motor is a pump! ;)
So what do you see is the negative of this??? What negative side affects can this produce and why??? What kind of damage may this cause?? I am curious to know your reasoning...Thanks
+1
...Hmm!...just reread through this thread or this quote from the beginning and ponder on it for a few hours! Its pretty simple...Really!!
Got mine today :wootwoot:
kenny is there any left? And will the bumpier power curve hurt performance even though it gains 1.5 hp?
I am interested in this for my 08' but which one produces more power?
they work the same, they camcover one is just sexier :grin_nod:
In that case where do i sign up and send money too?
Quote from: robkd on July 05, 2008, 08:59:00 AM
In that case where do i sign up and send money too?
See the Sponsor section for KDS Racing :thumbs:
Looks like i have to get one if any left :rofl: just need a price on shipping to the UK.I will PM you Kenny
Quote from: shrimpy21 on July 05, 2008, 12:23:39 PM
Looks like i have to get one if any left :rofl: just need a price on shipping to the UK.I will PM you Kenny
I know mine is on backorder right now.. :(
Quote from: Krandall on July 06, 2008, 11:05:05 AM
Quote from: shrimpy21 on July 05, 2008, 12:23:39 PM
Looks like i have to get one if any left :rofl: just need a price on shipping to the UK.I will PM you Kenny
I know mine is on backorder right now.. :(
Nah nah :moon:
Quote from: J-HILT on June 27, 2008, 07:55:42 AM
Quote from: Bosco on June 27, 2008, 03:21:21 AM
Quote from: Kenny on June 26, 2008, 06:19:23 AM
Quote from: Bosco on June 26, 2008, 03:41:22 AM
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 17, 2008, 11:19:06 AM
word for word in what it does it's just not routed back into the air intake for emission reasons....
....exactly!!...better sealing...maybe? But will it make so much negative pressure that it will start too pull in pollutant's through the seals or maybe a leaky gasket....Seems like snake oil to ME!!...
Cool....I'll take 4hp worth of snake oil please. One thing you can count on: If I sell it, it works.....Period. It's the way I run my business. This is a design theory that has proven itself in every form of racing, I just happened to get a valve that does the job without a pump. If your seals are so leaky that pollutants will come back through, this valve should be the last of your worries. I'll post dyno numbers as soon as Photobucket comes back up, 8)
...I never said that it would not work!....My point was/is the possible negative side affects of the unit! My seals are ok, what I meant by that statement is that an unknowing individual may purchase this unit and do some very costly damage to their machine!...What do you say to them then........"this valve should be the last of your worries" ??.....btw the motor is a pump! ;)
So what do you see is the negative of this??? What negative side affects can this produce and why??? What kind of damage may this cause?? I am curious to know your reasoning...Thanks
Well, If you get some vaccum, depending on how much vaccum it is, it could cause a gasket failure, either clutch, magneto side or even center case. Why ? I can compare like a vaccum cleaner, it aspirate every weakess part, which in this case are the gaskets....
IMO it won't cause much damage, and even if it cause damage, it would have happen sooner or later.
I'd like to know if you need to adjust the fuel map by installing these ?
Quote from: Bert on June 27, 2008, 03:15:20 PM
Quote from: richw3533 on June 26, 2008, 09:17:25 PM
I did a little modifying to mine to accommodate for the littler air cleaner and the new fuel tank. I will get installed pictures soon.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh12/richw3533/My%20Quad%20Done/DSC07200.gif)
Rich that will look great on your Rappy :thumbs: I can't wait for pics
Well her is a quick photo of it on....(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh12/richw3533/My%20Quad%20Done/DSC07396.gif)
Dang Rich, I wish I would have bought the cam cover evac valve 8)
Quote from: richw3533 on July 07, 2008, 07:11:00 PM
Quote from: Bert on June 27, 2008, 03:15:20 PM
Quote from: richw3533 on June 26, 2008, 09:17:25 PM
I did a little modifying to mine to accommodate for the littler air cleaner and the new fuel tank. I will get installed pictures soon.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh12/richw3533/My%20Quad%20Done/DSC07200.gif)
Rich that will look great on your Rappy :thumbs: I can't wait for pics
Well her is a quick photo of it on.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh12/richw3533/My%20Quad%20Done/DSC07396.gif)
Rich that looks so sweeeeeeet :thumbs:
Whats happend to Kenny,i pm'd him the other day about one of these valves and still no reply ??? ???
He probably has a hundred pm's he is replying to. He is good about getting back to everyone but if not just give him a call :thumbs:
I think of the 20+ pm's I've sent kenny, he's replied to one..
I know the phone cost for calling the states isn't cheap probably but, it may be your best/quickest bet :thumbs:
Quote from: Krandall on July 08, 2008, 07:34:50 AM
I think of the 20+ pm's I've sent kenny, he's replied to one..
I know the phone cost for calling the states isn't cheap probably but, it may be your best/quickest bet :thumbs:
:rofl: Thanks for Krandall :thumbs:
Just tellin' it like it is :lol:
Quote from: shrimpy21 on July 08, 2008, 09:03:17 AM
Quote from: Krandall on July 08, 2008, 07:34:50 AM
I think of the 20+ pm's I've sent kenny, he's replied to one..
I know the phone cost for calling the states isn't cheap probably but, it may be your best/quickest bet :thumbs:
:rofl: Thanks for Krandall :thumbs:
What are the chances of a guy speaking the "queens english" and one speaking "Hillbilly" are going to be able to understand one another ???
:lol:
Quote from: Colorado700R on July 08, 2008, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: shrimpy21 on July 08, 2008, 09:03:17 AM
Quote from: Krandall on July 08, 2008, 07:34:50 AM
I think of the 20+ pm's I've sent kenny, he's replied to one..
I know the phone cost for calling the states isn't cheap probably but, it may be your best/quickest bet :thumbs:
:rofl: Thanks for Krandall :thumbs:
What are the chances of a guy speaking the "queens english" and one speaking "Hillbilly" are going to be able to understand one another ???
:lol:
:rofl: :lol: :lol:
I'm here.....Yes I will send one. Send me your address and I'll check on shipping. It usually isn't that bad....Waiting on customs is the worst part :thumbs:
Quote from: vreds on July 07, 2008, 07:05:11 PM
I'd like to know if you need to adjust the fuel map by installing these ?
I'll just bump that question o' mine :help:
negative :thumbs:
Greeeeeaaaat ! Next thing to buy.... dammit :rofl:
What i would like to see is a comparison of the inline version crank pressure/vacum, to the cam cover version/vacum.
Seems to me that the inline has more total volume due to the tube anyway, therefore the cam cover cam create more vacum since it does have the volume of the tube. Also the with the vent tube being soft walled, wouldn't some of the effect be lost in expansion/contraction of the tube itself (although not much since it's cycling so fast). ???
Aaron
PS. My evac cam cover version makes a nice diffrence on top end pull :grin_nod:
a lot of people are running a long length of tube, but who's to say you can't run a different hard walled same size tube so you don't get anything lost there? ???
Quote from: Krandall on July 09, 2008, 12:32:21 PM
a lot of people are running a long length of tube, but who's to say you can't run a different hard walled same size tube so you don't get anything lost there? ???
Braided stainless... ???
yes, but the tube itself is an addition of total volume, whereas the Cam cover is not, the vacum effect on a smaller volume should be greater ???
Colorado
Are you running a pre filter like RichW?
If this is top secret info,please PM me :lol:
I agree 100% but, if we were to cut the tube down to only minimum requirement to get off of the crank breather neck and to the valve. the loss/comparison between the cam cover and the crank case version would be so minimum
Quote from: Bert on July 09, 2008, 12:37:13 PM
Colorado
Are you running a pre filter like RichW?
If this is top secret info,please PM me :lol:
Yep Prefilter to 3/8ths fuel line hose to evac valve
Quote from: Krandall on July 09, 2008, 12:38:00 PM
I agree 100% but, if we were to cut the tube down to only minimum requirement to get off of the crank breather neck and to the valve. the loss/comparison between the cam cover and the crank case version would be so minimum
Agreed
Quote from: Colorado700R on July 09, 2008, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: Krandall on July 09, 2008, 12:38:00 PM
I agree 100% but, if we were to cut the tube down to only minimum requirement to get off of the crank breather neck and to the valve. the loss/comparison between the cam cover and the crank case version would be so minimum
Agreed
now I just need to see how much room there is under there to get it mounted.
Quote from: Krandall on July 09, 2008, 01:27:44 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on July 09, 2008, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: Krandall on July 09, 2008, 12:38:00 PM
I agree 100% but, if we were to cut the tube down to only minimum requirement to get off of the crank breather neck and to the valve. the loss/comparison between the cam cover and the crank case version would be so minimum
Agreed
now I just need to see how much room there is under there to get it mounted.
could you do the same attachment that Rich used for his camcover to fit the the inline ??? Bet you could :grin_nod:
That's what I'm thinking, now I just have to find a propper filter that will resist water. :thumbs:
I got a question.. If this valve is always blowing out and its one way, how will it let dirt and water in? :confused: Mine is always blowing air out(I got the inline one) so I don't see how anything could get in unless I deep six the rappy(been close a time or two!)
I think if you are going fast through mud / water. The amout of air coming out of that one way isn't going to hardly slow/stop that stuff going in. ??? not totally sure though
your the man kenny
I was thinking about placing the valve right at the engine and this would eliminate all the volume of the vent hose. I also feel that a filter would not be needed with the valve in this location because it will always be blowing out air and dirt would never reach the the valve. Comments?