got a call tonight and there are gonna be 150 ft drags on sod in 2 weeks.
all my mods are in the sig.
what gearing could i run because it is a short distance was thinking a 13t front maybe stock rear
im open to any suggestions please let me know will prolly be lightly modded 450's like big 3 maybe cam
please let me know and gearing i should run
Honestly I wouldnt mess with a lower gear, you'll just spin like crazy. I say put on some 22" 4-snows and let her eat. Also soften the rear suspension up some too :thumbs:
maybe run stock 14 and launch hard in 2nd?
I'd run the 15t.. 150 is nothing. You'll see maybe through 3rd gear. Might as well stretch it out a bit and let the raptors torque pull you through
i just thought that a 15 may be to high. butwith the 15 t as it is it pulls hard which would be nice
For the short distance i would either run the 14t or go to the 13t and launch hard in 2nd gear. You gotta realise these things dont rev near as quick as the 450's do. when i run the 300' drag i use the 14t cause it dont take as long to wind out. Iam however going to try a 13t. for the 1/4 mile i use the 15t. another thing that helps alot is a set of drag struts, i bought mine from powder coater ( he makes these for a good price). i launched on pavement hard in 2nd gear and no lift unless you sit way back on the seat :lol:. cheaper than extended swinger. heres my video. with struts on. also note how you can hear my clutch slipping :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJI79YA1YW0
Good luck Jake. :thumbs:
And +1 to Colorado for saying "let her eat" :lol: And you tease rednecks? :lol:
Quote from: 1badazz_700r on October 29, 2008, 07:12:38 AM
For the short distance i would either run the 14t or go to the 13t and launch hard in 2nd gear. You gotta realise these things dont rev near as quick as the 450's do. when i run the 300' drag i use the 14t cause it dont take as long to wind out. Iam however going to try a 13t. for the 1/4 mile i use the 15t. another thing that helps alot is a set of drag struts, i bought mine from powder coater ( he makes these for a good price). i launched on pavement hard in 2nd gear and no lift unless you sit way back on the seat :lol:. cheaper than extended swinger. heres my video. with struts on. also note how you can hear my clutch slipping :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJI79YA1YW0
IMO you're are absolutely correct about not reving with a 450 :thumbs: However, you have way more tq, if you run a higher gear/taller tire it allows you to apply it while maintaing traction to keep with them on the jump.
Aaron
I'll have to do some tests when my bro gets a raptor. And test the actual time differences between a 13t @ 150' / 300' and a 15t @ 150' / 300'
Would be interesting to see.. IMO I would think stretching out the gears and making less shifting would be better..
Maybe one of these slow poke TRF guys would chime in. :lol:
im gonna bring my 14 and 15t i think with a 13tooth on grass will spin alot
was thinking about strapping it down anyone have pics of one strapped
I agree with the 13t, i just realised your racing in grass. In my opinion if your running a 15t and 22" tires your going to have your ass handed to ya :lol: tall tires gear it even higher and with a 15t its way to high for such a short distance. Try them both though just to find out.I would just want to get in my power range quicker for such a short run. also a 14t front with 22" rear tires is equal to running a 15t front and 20" tires. As far as strapping it down :thumbs: quick cheap way to solve wheelie problems,here at the dirt drags tons of guys do it and it works.JMO
or you can buy my front and rear lowering kit from me :lol:
yea i dont plan to get 22 tires gonna run my 20's with 15t and then if it isnt pull as i want it to ill swap it to the 14t and im gonna strap it as well
Quote from: 1badazz_700r on October 29, 2008, 01:49:52 PM
or you can buy my front and rear lowering kit from me :lol:
how much did it drop it? Pics? I'm listening. :)
sorry for the thread jack but heres the pics krandall
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll155/exentix350/0528081938.jpg)
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll155/exentix350/100_0597.jpg)
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll155/exentix350/700350-1.jpg)
What was the overall height it dropped?
he said it lowered the ground clearance about 3 inches
It gives it the stance of a yfz 450. however if you trail ride on rough trails it will beat the hell out of ya. and loose alot of ground clearance if these things dont apply then the lowering kit is what you want. it deffinatly helped with wheelie problems and made it feel more stable :thumbs: My front kit is a better kit than the crj kit because of the way it mounts. it mounts to the lower a-arm as well as the shock mount making this much more rigid than the other kits.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-Raptor-700-YFZ450-YFZ-450-Front-Lowering-Kit_W0QQitemZ380076453862QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item380076453862&_trkparms=72%3A1419%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
Quote from: 1badazz_700r on October 29, 2008, 03:57:55 PM
It gives it the stance of a yfz 450. however if you trail ride on rough trails it will beat the hell out of ya. and loose alot of ground clearance if these things dont apply then the lowering kit is what you want. it deffinatly helped with wheelie problems and made it feel more stable :thumbs: My front kit is a better kit than the crj kit because of the way it mounts. it mounts to the lower a-arm as well as the shock mount making this much more rigid than the other kits.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-Raptor-700-YFZ450-YFZ-450-Front-Lowering-Kit_W0QQitemZ380076453862QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item380076453862&_trkparms=72%3A1419%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
wheelie problems? I call that a win! :lol:
Quote from: Peels660 on October 29, 2008, 03:59:40 PM
Quote from: 1badazz_700r on October 29, 2008, 03:57:55 PM
It gives it the stance of a yfz 450. however if you trail ride on rough trails it will beat the hell out of ya. and loose alot of ground clearance if these things dont apply then the lowering kit is what you want. it deffinatly helped with wheelie problems and made it feel more stable :thumbs: My front kit is a better kit than the crj kit because of the way it mounts. it mounts to the lower a-arm as well as the shock mount making this much more rigid than the other kits.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-Raptor-700-YFZ450-YFZ-450-Front-Lowering-Kit_W0QQitemZ380076453862QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item380076453862&_trkparms=72%3A1419%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
wheelie problems? I call that a win! :lol:
dude the thing has a mind of its own :help: i think the throttle and wheelie problem are directly related? :grin_nod:
ok done thread jacking
wheelie = you lose the race :'( theres a time to wheelie and a time that you dont want to. when your racing you dont want to,it causes extra wind drag against the bottom of the quad slowing you down. plus it causes you to have to feather the throttle also slowing you down. the lowering kit helps with both,it does not eliminate :lol: though. exentix realised the power of this thing when he stabbed the gas in 3rd while cruising along and all of the sudden seen nothing but the sky 8) he was like holly :mad:
Quote from: 1badazz_700r on October 29, 2008, 05:03:06 PM
wheelie = you lose the race :'( theres a time to wheelie and a time that you dont want to. when your racing you dont want to,it causes extra wind drag against the bottom of the quad slowing you down. plus it causes you to have to feather the throttle also slowing you down. the lowering kit helps with both,it does not eliminate :lol: though. exentix realised the power of this thing when he stabbed the gas in 3rd while cruising along and all of the sudden seen nothing but the sky 8) he was like holly :mad:
:help: i had her up that pretty good too :lol:
Jake I know the perfect solution for tires (and they are CHEAP)!
Knobbies in 25x12x9 and run the 13 or 14 front. Dont worry about strapping the front...lets just build some cheap struts for the front, and set the rear full soft. They also make a 22x11x8 which would be a good option too, then could run 14/15 front. The 25x12x9's will expand a lot, and with the width and tire hanging over the rim should hook up GREAT. plus they are 44 bucks a tire :)
If you want I will pilot, assuming I dont enter mine.
struts help for sure :thumbs:
Ya all the traction in the world dosnt mean $hit if you cant keep the front end on the ground!
Hmmm just had a thought... I wonder if 25x12x9's would even fit on a raptor (thinking, rubbing heel guar/nerf bar's). Might be close... Obviously the 22x11-8's would for sure work, but of course would require some new wheels.
Quote from: 1badazz_700r on October 29, 2008, 03:57:55 PM
It gives it the stance of a yfz 450. however if you trail ride on rough trails it will beat the hell out of ya. and loose alot of ground clearance if these things dont apply then the lowering kit is what you want. it deffinatly helped with wheelie problems and made it feel more stable :thumbs: My front kit is a better kit than the crj kit because of the way it mounts. it mounts to the lower a-arm as well as the shock mount making this much more rigid than the other kits.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-Raptor-700-YFZ450-YFZ-450-Front-Lowering-Kit_W0QQitemZ380076453862QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item380076453862&_trkparms=72%3A1419%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
I bought the kit above & a CRJ, I never used the ebay kit, its for sale!
This tire is similiar to the Pro Wedge, Great hook up :thumbs:
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/tqf1E/ATV%20Tires/AMSZipperTire.jpg)
Quote from: 1badazz_700r on October 29, 2008, 03:57:55 PM
It gives it the stance of a yfz 450. however if you trail ride on rough trails it will beat the hell out of ya. and loose alot of ground clearance if these things dont apply then the lowering kit is what you want. it deffinatly helped with wheelie problems and made it feel more stable :thumbs: My front kit is a better kit than the crj kit because of the way it mounts. it mounts to the lower a-arm as well as the shock mount making this much more rigid than the other kits.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-Raptor-700-YFZ450-YFZ-450-Front-Lowering-Kit_W0QQitemZ380076453862QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item380076453862&_trkparms=72%3A1419%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
how does the kit your selling mount on the front vs this one?" ???
Quote from: 1badazz_700r on October 29, 2008, 05:03:06 PM
wheelie = you lose the race :'( theres a time to wheelie and a time that you dont want to. when your racing you dont want to,it causes extra wind drag against the bottom of the quad slowing you down. plus it causes you to have to feather the throttle also slowing you down. the lowering kit helps with both,it does not eliminate :lol: though. exentix realised the power of this thing when he stabbed the gas in 3rd while cruising along and all of the sudden seen nothing but the sky 8) he was like holly :mad:
I know, I know. But that is what sold me on the Raptor when I test rode it. I blipped the throttle, looked at the clouds, then rode it back and wrote a check! :lol:
well im not putting alot of money into it.just kinda spur of the moment thing we will see though
I say we do it RIGHT! Make some solid struts to SLAM the hell out of it - 10-15 bucks
Two 25x12x9 tires - 80 bucks
for 100 bucks I bet we could take a few tenths off compared to running as is. You convinced me to buy that axle, now its your turn again :)
The kit in my last post is the same as the one im selling. the crj onlymounts to the stock shock location. this one mounts to the lower a-arm bolts and the shock mount :thumbs:
Quote from: 1badazz_700r on October 29, 2008, 08:45:04 PM
The kit in my last post is the same as the one im selling. the crj onlymounts to the stock shock location. this one mounts to the lower a-arm bolts and the shock mount :thumbs:
I was able to compare both lowering kits & the CRJ will lower the quad more, that's why I went that route. The Ebay kit is great as well no question about it. 15T & 20" tires or 14/15 & 22" tires. :thumbs:
How much for your lowering kit ??? :) :) :)
I wish I had some good advise, but I'm still trying to get 300ft figured out. :(
Quote from: Krandall on October 28, 2008, 07:15:16 PM
I'd run the 15t.. 150 is nothing. You'll see maybe through 3rd gear. Might as well stretch it out a bit and let the raptors torque pull you through
I agree with Krandall, if you can get to the finish line topped out in 3rd you'll kick butt, i think the 15 tooth will give you close to the right gearing 38 (stock) in the rear. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Grant
Why would you set the rear shock to soft. Wouldn'T that make the bike want to wheelie easier? I put the struts all the way around on mine and it decreased the wheelie problem by 50%
In my dirt/gravel experience the softer I made the rear the less wheels spin I got. It does wheelie easier, but with practice I was much quicker that way.
You will never top it out in 3rd gear in 150' with a 15t. i wasnt toped out in 3rd in 300' with 14t. krandall i would let the front and rear lowering kit go for $75.00 shipped with insurance :thumbs:
With my bike the 13 tooth shocked the tires too much (to much wheel hop) where the 15 let it roll smoother. On my bike with the 13 tooth you needed to shift to 3rd at about 75 ft. My times dropped and mph went up with the 15 tooth.
I agree with the 13t being to low. I run a 14t with20" tires and launch in 2nd shift 3rd when its time and im still not wound out in 3rd crossing the 300' line. alot depends on track condition and prep. here they flood the track at the start line with water making a shit load of mud. with the 15t it boggs to much on a second gear launch and 1st gear launch is looking at the sky :lol: so i have to use the 14t 2nd gear launch. So i guess the 15t might work better for grass.Hopefully both combinations are tried and results posted for future help :thumbs:
Quote from: Krandall on October 30, 2008, 12:53:26 PM
How much for your lowering kit ??? :) :) :)
New its $64 make an offer ??? Never installed.
Why aren't you using it mr. Ice racer Extrodinaire. :lol:
CRJ kit works fine for flat track riding/racing I really don't need 2 front lowering kits. I have a GtThunder rear link & the CRJ adjustable rear link as well. They can also be for sale. I don't know jack about ice racing, just trying to help :lol:
I dont have any 150' experiance but I do have some 300'. I also have a 660 based but the theories should still apply. 1st thing I would do is find a spot with the same surface you will be racing on and make some practice runs. I ran 14-40 at Sandfest in 500' and was running 72mph. At dunefest I switched to 12-40 running 300' and picked up almost 4 mph. Both races were done with the same tires and relative pressure. I also launch 2nd gear and end the run in 4th. If I were you I would deffinatly strut it all the way around. 1" square tube with some holes drilled in it work great. Lower the frame until the rear swinger is parallel with the ground and bottom of the frame. Measure for your strut length.On the rear strut drill 3 holes at the lower link mounting point, 1 that is at the measurement of the frame w swinger parallel, and the 1 on each side of that 1" above and below. This ill allow you some tuning for track condition. If its spinning, lower the rear, if its biting too hard, raise it. I would probably run a 14 tooth front no matter what tire you choose and either a 38 or 40 rear depending on overall height of the tire. Good luck and have fun, let me know how it turns out!
Quote from: 1badazz_700r on October 30, 2008, 07:47:32 PM
You will never top it out in 3rd gear in 150' with a 15t. i wasnt toped out in 3rd in 300' with 14t. krandall i would let the front and rear lowering kit go for $75.00 shipped with insurance :thumbs:
Hmmm... That's interesting you don't get topped out in third, with a 14 tooth rear sprocket.... even on a 300 ft track . I am into 4th with a 15 tooth sprocket. Are you sure you have a Raptor 700 :confused:
Quote from: digitalhearing on October 31, 2008, 06:54:47 AM
Quote from: 1badazz_700r on October 30, 2008, 07:47:32 PM
You will never top it out in 3rd gear in 150' with a 15t. i wasnt toped out in 3rd in 300' with 14t. krandall i would let the front and rear lowering kit go for $75.00 shipped with insurance :thumbs:
Hmmm... That's interesting you don't get topped out in third, with a 14 tooth rear sprocket.... even on a 300 ft track . I am into 4th with a 15 tooth sprocket. Are you sure you have a Raptor 700 :confused:
its a 14t front and its dirt drags with knobbies so that probably has something to do with it
its a 14t front sprocket on a 2007 raptor 700 with pretty heavy mods. and no im not maxed out in 300'. Well it could be related to my clutch slipping pretty bad to :lol: which is temporarily fixed until i buy a dirt digger kit and a lockup soon :thumbs:
Tire size also plays into the gearing. Grants on 22" tall tires and a mid 80 hp motor. That the diffrence I think.
Yeah i would have to agree :thumbs: mid 80hp range you could run just about what ever combination you wanted to and still be fast as hell :lol:
??? Oh, I guess that could be part of it :lol:
Grant