Part of my winter plans is a stabilizer and I just wanted to hear back from some of the CCP owners. I know they have been out for awhile and I wanted to see how they have been holding up compared to the precision.
Side question:
Now that I've gone to a +2 front end arm pump is my biggest problem. Do you think the stabilizer would be the way to go or could a flex bar/anti vibe combo work better?
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on September 23, 2008, 11:42:33 AM
Part of my winter plans is a stabilizer and I just wanted to hear back from some of the CCP owners. I know they have been out for awhile and I wanted to see how they have been holding up compared to the precision.
Side question:
Now that I've gone to a +2 front end arm pump is my biggest problem. Do you think the stabilizer would be the way to go or could a flex bar/anti vibe combo work better?
Obviously all of the above will help, but also what is your handlebar height? Stock? Improper height can hurt your arms/back on long rides too
Aaron
Its stock, but the pain is from arm pump I think. Its my forearm.
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on September 23, 2008, 11:56:49 AM
Its stock, but the pain is from arm pump I think. Its my forearm.
You got to be leaned over pretty good for the stock height. IMO Improper rider to control angles cause allot of extra fatige on the form arms too.
For what it's worth, I just ordered a 1 1/4 Rox riser from TQS for under 40 bucks. Not an exeorbent investment to try it out.
Aaron
is that the anti vibe one?
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on September 23, 2008, 12:12:55 PM
is that the anti vibe one?
No, I'm not getting much vibe anymore with my Flex inserts and CCP.
flex inserts?
Got them through Steve at TQS :thumbs:
http://www.fasstco.com/products/insert.shtml
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on September 23, 2008, 11:42:33 AM
Part of my winter plans is a stabilizer and I just wanted to hear back from some of the CCP owners. I know they have been out for awhile and I wanted to see how they have been holding up compared to the precision.
Side question:
Now that I've gone to a +2 front end arm pump is my biggest problem. Do you think the stabilizer would be the way to go or could a flex bar/anti vibe combo work better?
Get a steering stabilizer and you won't regret it. You'll have way less arm-pump. Before I turned my bike into a drag bike I ran the Precision, best mod I had and worth every penny. It has great adjustability....you can ride in the nastiest rutted-out crap on the planet and the stabilizer will take every hit....not your arms.
I love my CCP too, but Knowing how you are about getting the "best", you might as well just order the precision :grin_nod:
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:29:23 PM
I love my CCP too, but Knowing how you are about getting the "best", you might as well just order the precision :grin_nod:
I think most people with the CCP love them.....and for the money it's a steal. I had to pay alot for my Precision, but the CCP wasn't on the market yet :'(
You can't go wrong with either 1 :thumbs:
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:29:23 PM
I love my CCP too, but Knowing how you are about getting the "best", you might as well just order the precision :grin_nod:
I have problems. :(
Quote from: SUB454 on September 23, 2008, 12:32:23 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:29:23 PM
I love my CCP too, but Knowing how you are about getting the "best", you might as well just order the precision :grin_nod:
I think most people with the CCP love them.....and for the money it's a steal. I had to pay alot for my Precision, but the CCP wasn't on the market yet :'(
You can't go wrong with either 1 :thumbs:
Kenneth from KB is going to do a comparison of my CCP to a Presicion, I'm fairly comfident that the Precision will come out on top due to it being much more adjustable, but I do believe that the CCP will shine for being a very effective product that's 1/2 the price of the "best" on the market
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on September 23, 2008, 12:32:41 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:29:23 PM
I love my CCP too, but Knowing how you are about getting the "best", you might as well just order the precision :grin_nod:
I have problems. :(
Nah, buying the best probably has saved you money, vice wasting it on products that you would eventually upgrade anyway.
BTW, I heard Sub454's quad is the best...time for a night mission :ninja:
:lol:
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on September 23, 2008, 12:32:41 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:29:23 PM
I love my CCP too, but Knowing how you are about getting the "best", you might as well just order the precision :grin_nod:
I have problems. :(
Nah, buying the best probably has saved you money, vice wasting it on products that you would eventually upgrade anyway.
BTW, I heard Sub454's quad is the best...time for a night mission :ninja:
:lol:
It's only mission is to kick "powder coater's" RocketFactory bike to the curb this sunday at the drags :grin_nod: Is a matter-o-fact, I've got his bike in my garage right now.....think I'll turn the throttle screw in a ways before he picks it up :thumbs:
Quote from: SUB454 on September 23, 2008, 12:40:27 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on September 23, 2008, 12:32:41 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:29:23 PM
I love my CCP too, but Knowing how you are about getting the "best", you might as well just order the precision :grin_nod:
I have problems. :(
Nah, buying the best probably has saved you money, vice wasting it on products that you would eventually upgrade anyway.
BTW, I heard Sub454's quad is the best...time for a night mission :ninja:
:lol:
It's only mission is to kick "powder coater's" RocketFactory bike to the curb this sunday at the drags :grin_nod: Is a matter-o-fact, I've got his bike in my garage right now.....think I'll turn the throttle screw in a ways before he picks it up :thumbs:
I heard Paul was the favored bike to win. :lol:
JK
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on September 23, 2008, 12:53:08 PM
Quote from: SUB454 on September 23, 2008, 12:40:27 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on September 23, 2008, 12:32:41 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:29:23 PM
I love my CCP too, but Knowing how you are about getting the "best", you might as well just order the precision :grin_nod:
I have problems. :(
Nah, buying the best probably has saved you money, vice wasting it on products that you would eventually upgrade anyway.
BTW, I heard Sub454's quad is the best...time for a night mission :ninja:
:lol:
It's only mission is to kick "powder coater's" RocketFactory bike to the curb this sunday at the drags :grin_nod: Is a matter-o-fact, I've got his bike in my garage right now.....think I'll turn the throttle screw in a ways before he picks it up :thumbs:
I heard Paul was the favored bike to win. :lol:
JK
"Always bet on black"Did I just quote Wesley Snipes :confused:
:lol:
The only way he'll be favored is if I stay home :batman:
Quote from: SUB454 on September 23, 2008, 12:56:40 PM
The only way he'll be favored is if I stay home :batman:
Is there going to be revenge in the form of a flag ???
:lol:
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:54:46 PM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on September 23, 2008, 12:53:08 PM
Quote from: SUB454 on September 23, 2008, 12:40:27 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on September 23, 2008, 12:32:41 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:29:23 PM
I love my CCP too, but Knowing how you are about getting the "best", you might as well just order the precision :grin_nod:
I have problems. :(
Nah, buying the best probably has saved you money, vice wasting it on products that you would eventually upgrade anyway.
BTW, I heard Sub454's quad is the best...time for a night mission :ninja:
:lol:
It's only mission is to kick "powder coater's" RocketFactory bike to the curb this sunday at the drags :grin_nod: Is a matter-o-fact, I've got his bike in my garage right now.....think I'll turn the throttle screw in a ways before he picks it up :thumbs:
I heard Paul was the favored bike to win. :lol:
JK
"Always bet on black"
Did I just quote Wesley Snipes :confused:
:lol:
And where did that land him?..........prison.
:lol:
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: SUB454 on September 23, 2008, 12:32:23 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:29:23 PM
I love my CCP too, but Knowing how you are about getting the "best", you might as well just order the precision :grin_nod:
I think most people with the CCP love them.....and for the money it's a steal. I had to pay alot for my Precision, but the CCP wasn't on the market yet :'(
You can't go wrong with either 1 :thumbs:
Kenneth from KB is going to do a comparison of my CCP to a Presicion, I'm fairly comfident that the Precision will come out on top due to it being much more adjustable, but I do believe that the CCP will shine for being a very effective product that's 1/2 the price of the "best" on the market
I read a post somewhere & this guy thought the CCP was better since there's only 1 adjustment. With the Precision both settings need to be working in unison not against each other. ???
I've had my Precision for a year now & played with the settings when I first got it. I don't remember where I set it at, but I do like it :thumbs:
Precision adjustment
The only Stabilizer that allows you to adjust the damping
for turning separately from going straights damping
SIDE/CENTER/SIDE
Adjust the center stiffer than the sides or the sides stiffer than the center. Whether you prefer 10% firmer or 50% the range is huge!
If conditions are slippery or loose: Firm up the center and soften up the sides. This will help you steer into your slide quicker and then the stabilizer will catch the back of the quad as it goes toward center reducing fishtailing.
Want more stability when going fast and straight and less resistance when turning? You can easily tune the Precision Stabilizer to your liking
Click on the link to see Precision's pics to go along with the above text
http://www.precision-rp.com/stabilizer.cfm
I don't know what I would expect from a Precision if the settings were incorrect ???
My settings may be incorrect now :rofl: It sure feels better when riding though, definately a noticable differance
I forget what I have mine set on, It came with some instructions and gave settings for certain riding conditions, I just kind of went with it.
Kind of like my shocks I recently started playing with... :lol: I'll have to start fine tuning.
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on September 23, 2008, 01:03:06 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:54:46 PM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on September 23, 2008, 12:53:08 PM
Quote from: SUB454 on September 23, 2008, 12:40:27 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on September 23, 2008, 12:32:41 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 23, 2008, 12:29:23 PM
I love my CCP too, but Knowing how you are about getting the "best", you might as well just order the precision :grin_nod:
I have problems. :(
Nah, buying the best probably has saved you money, vice wasting it on products that you would eventually upgrade anyway.
BTW, I heard Sub454's quad is the best...time for a night mission :ninja:
:lol:
It's only mission is to kick "powder coater's" RocketFactory bike to the curb this sunday at the drags :grin_nod: Is a matter-o-fact, I've got his bike in my garage right now.....think I'll turn the throttle screw in a ways before he picks it up :thumbs:
I heard Paul was the favored bike to win. :lol:
JK
"Always bet on black"
Did I just quote Wesley Snipes :confused:
:lol:
And where did that land him?..........prison.
:lol:
See even
Blade has to pay taxes :rofl:
I bought a CCP & never installed it, I passed it along to a friend ( that reminds me I haven't been paid yet, maybe they will read this) I think the CCP is a high quality unit & it does what its designed for, dampening. Tough to beat the price. Given the chance I would save 240$ & go with a CCP. JMHO
The only question I had w/ the CCP which never got answered back in the day was...
I know it's considered a puck style dampner.. But to me... its only classed that way based on its looks. To me, with only 1 way adjusting it seems it'd be more like a stick style stabilizer. 1 way adjustment... Just my opinion.
Precision - 2 way
Elka 3 - 3 way
Elka 5 - 5 way
Quote from: Krandall on September 24, 2008, 08:16:36 AM
The only question I had w/ the CCP which never got answered back in the day was...
I know it's considered a puck style dampner.. But to me... its only classed that way based on its looks. To me, with only 1 way adjusting it seems it'd be more like a stick style stabilizer. 1 way adjustment... Just my opinion.
Precision - 2 way
Elka 3 - 3 way
Elka 5 - 5 way
:poke:
It's a puck becuase it uses a plate/disk to slow the fluid from one chamber to the next (Same as Precision). A stick style uses a piston design like a shock.
arent' they all that way?
the piston style ones.. the adjuster allows or restricts the fluid inside from going through faster or slower. ???
Quote from: Krandall on September 24, 2008, 08:31:12 AM
arent' they all that way?
the piston style ones.. the adjuster allows or restricts the fluid inside from going through faster or slower. ???
true, it's all fluid dynamics Randy, but the Puck has a larger surface area to resist, wheras the piston still only has the area of the piston head. The piston must be held at a higher pressure to resist the same force as a puck style. Thats why the piston style gsaskets and seals wear out faster and require more rebuilding.
Aaron
What I said in my comparison of the CCP vs the Precision was for some guys the CCP would be easier to work with due to the 1 adjustment. I also said that the precision was a great unit as I have one and I love it. My son has the CCP and we ride desert they both work very well. I also said for the price the CCP was hard to beat. Also for the guys concerned about bling the CCP is very good looking. If you have a unlimited budget get the Precision. FR.
Quote from: fire raptor on September 24, 2008, 11:46:07 PM
What I said in my comparison of the CCP vs the Precision was for some guys the CCP would be easier to work with due to the 1 adjustment. I also said that the precision was a great unit as I have one and I love it. My son has the CCP and we ride desert they both work very well. I also said for the price the CCP was hard to beat. Also for the guys concerned about bling the CCP is very good looking. If you have a unlimited budget get the Precision. FR.
FR - can you feel a difference when you & your son switch quads?
Quote from: Bert on September 25, 2008, 06:36:28 PM
Quote from: fire raptor on September 24, 2008, 11:46:07 PM
What I said in my comparison of the CCP vs the Precision was for some guys the CCP would be easier to work with due to the 1 adjustment. I also said that the precision was a great unit as I have one and I love it. My son has the CCP and we ride desert they both work very well. I also said for the price the CCP was hard to beat. Also for the guys concerned about bling the CCP is very good looking. If you have a unlimited budget get the Precision. FR.
FR - can you feel a difference when you & your son switch quads?
Good question. I'm interested as well.
Yes. The CCP is exact for the entire sweep the same start to finish. With the Precision you can feel the transition from center to outside. This is not a bad thing it is due to the two adjustments vs the one with the CCP. I cannot fathom the Elka 5 way too much for my simple mind. If I would have known about the CCP when I bought mine for the cost I would have bought the CCP. I love the precision but I am not sure for myself or most riders that we need the more expensive unit. My son rides hard and fast in the desert and the CCP serves him fine. We are not sand dune guys so I cannot speak for which would be best for that group. You cannot go wrong with either unit. Just $$$$$$.
Thanks for the detailed response. :thumbs:
I wish CCP made them for my daughter's Z400 :(
I have the CCP and ride trails. It works great and am glad I bought it because now my arms don't feel like crap after a hard day of riding. :thumbs:
How hard is the ccp to install? ???
Simple, maybe 15 minutes with a short beer brake.
I had to radius the bore in the arm that attaches to the steering stem to allow it to slide down far enough over the flare at the bottom on the strg stem. Otherwise it just wouldn't sit low enough to allow proper alignment of the push/pull link to the damper itself.
I also wish the adjustment knob had stops so you couldn't just wind it out numerous turns.
08 Raptor 700
Quote from: wobble on September 25, 2008, 09:21:43 PM
Thanks for the detailed response. :thumbs:
I wish CCP made them for my daughter's Z400 :(
+1 I'd like to have one for my wife's Z. Like others have said, if I had known about the CCP before I bought my Precision, I'd have bought the CCP.
Where can I order this wonderful piece of machinery?
Quote from: BackwoodsBoy on October 01, 2008, 08:24:19 PM
Where can I order this wonderful piece of machinery?
Ebay ???
Some one should have his phone# or e-mail that is how I got ours. BUT being not to smart I have lost it.Kepp asking and check on the other forums in the search.
ok i did some digging around and found this which i think is the guy you would need to contact http://www.trx450r.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=53952 go to almost the bottom of the page and look for user customcncparts only down side is you will have to sign up to the forum to contact him... ill have another scout around and see what I can find for you.
Busby
James is registered @ Raptor Forum. Not sure on a username. There were several GB threads
oh ok i didn't know ;)
I did some searching on raptorforum and found his Email.
customcncparts@yahoo.com
Thanks Wobble! :thumbs: :thumbs:
I have his phone number if anyone needs it.
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on October 03, 2008, 08:25:44 AM
I have his phone number if anyone needs it.
Is it 800-365-4669