We've had an upset already......
Viginia Tech goes down!
Virginia Tech- 22
East Carolina School of the Blind - 27
~Brian
:lol: wtf
2 un answered TDS MUAHAHAHA VT SUCKERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS GO MICHIGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO DUCKS :grin_nod:
Boomer Sooner bitches.
~Brian
go GATORSSS
F'N USC......21 point's in the 1st qtr already.....I HATE THE TROJANS
Quote from: SUB454 on August 30, 2008, 02:15:04 PM
F'N USC......21 point's in the 1st qtr already.....I HATE THE TROJANS
u have kids dont you :lol:
Quote from: SUB454 on August 30, 2008, 02:15:04 PM
F'N USC......21 point's in the 1st qtr already.....I HATE THE TROJANS
They've got a big game in week three.....Ohio State.
I hope USC beats their ass, and then Cal or UCLA knocks off USC.
~Brian
Quote from: darkside94 on August 30, 2008, 02:35:40 PM
Quote from: SUB454 on August 30, 2008, 02:15:04 PM
F'N USC......21 point's in the 1st qtr already.....I HATE THE TROJANS
u have kids dont you :lol:
:grin_nod: I refuse to....well ya know.
Quote from: Flynbyu on August 30, 2008, 01:59:15 PM
Boomer Sooner bitches.
~Brian
What, we tried like hell not to score in the 2nd half and even gave them a 2 point'r. "What the problem is" :hammer: :rofl: 57-2 muhahaha
The Cowboys (OSU) did good too, kickin the shit outta the Washi-whata-whatevers. 39-13 :clap:
All in all the OU-Chattanooga game was an unfair matchup. Tennesse :help: had no business being here.
did the Illini win last night ???
Quote from: kyledvor61 on August 31, 2008, 07:51:47 PM
did the Illini win last night ???
Nope, Missouri beat their ass.
Oh, and two year is a row now......Michigan looses their opener.
WTF?
~Brian
Quote from: 4gunz4x4z on August 31, 2008, 02:18:38 PM
Quote from: Flynbyu on August 30, 2008, 01:59:15 PM
Boomer Sooner bitches.
~Brian
What, we tried like hell not to score in the 2nd half and even gave them a 2 point'r. "What the problem is" :hammer: :rofl: 57-2 muhahaha
The Cowboys (OSU) did good too, kickin the shit outta the Washi-whata-whatevers. 39-13 :clap:
All in all the OU-Chattanooga game was an unfair matchup. Tennesse :help: had no business being here.
I didn't get to watch the game since it was only on pay per view, but who wants to see a sub-par team play a powerhouse?
Those non-confrence games are more less pre-season games......Unless of course you're Michigan and Virginia Tech (Which both lost! :rofl:) , or Ohio State which usually has the easiest schedule of anyone. Week three, USC-Ohio State. Tressell actually leaves the state of Ohio for a road game.
Should be a great game next week though. OU-Cinci.
We'll see if Bradford still has it.
OSU looked pretty good up at Washington State, but hell they hardly ever threw the ball. That's lack of confidence in your QB. Not good. Of course, they ran it down Washington State's throat pretty easily.
~Brian
NFL is on tomorrow night!
~Brian
i dont watch nfl
theyre like a bunch of snotty nose rich bitches
except adrianne peterson(sp)
Adrian is the man. Met him at an OU practice.
He's huge.
~Brian
seriously?
i put bets on him to be like number 3 rb for the season
but he got injured :(
i think he would kick darren mcfaddens ass
but others disagree
Quote from: darkside94 on September 03, 2008, 03:39:26 PM
seriously?
i put bets on him to be like number 3 rb for the season
but he got injured :(
i think he would kick darren mcfaddens ass
but others disagree
I predicted Adrian would be rookie of the year/leading rusher.
I was correct.
I saw DMac in Jim Grizzle Tire 6 months ago in Fort Smith (Jim Grizzle played for University of Arkansas and has a ton of custom wheels). He was getting something done to his Crown Vic. There are tons of pictures on the wall of Jim and Jerry Jones, Troy Aikman (UCLA grad), Barry Switzer, and just about everyone who played on the 1964 Arkansas National Championship team, plus autographs of guys that went pro that went to U of A.
~Brian
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Flynbyu1973/utisgay.jpg)
Boomer Sooner bitches.
:lol:
~Brian
OU is rolling Cinci now.
It was close until the third quarter and OU started pulling away.
Four mintues left, OU 52 Cinci 20.
~Brian
Quote from: SUB454 on August 30, 2008, 02:15:04 PM
F'N USC......21 point's in the 1st qtr already.....I HATE THE TROJANS
Join the club Sub, ND guy here.
Sooners have another breezy schedule. Brian's going to be increasingly unbearable this year I can tell, so I'll keep my involvement in this thread to a minimum. OU will be in the BCS if Mizzou doesn't squash them in the Big 12 title game.
Rich Rodriguez bailed on WVU and they have fallen on their face, despite reasonable talent levels. Michigan isn't a top tier team this year, but one would have thought they were good enough to keep their head above water outside of the BCS conferences. It will be a disappointing year for Rich, probably 7 wins and certainly no more than 8.
OSU didn't look good today, but I still think Sanchez is over-rated and if Beanie is back next week it'll be a good game. OSU CAN win, they have the talent and capability but it's dependent on their execution and IMO that's been a problem. Even if they lose it wouldn't keep them from rolling the big 10 and getting another shot at a big name team in a BCS bowl, or perhaps even more satisfying an OSU vs OU BCS matchup (not the title game of course) and shut Brian up once and for all.
My spartans lost that game against Cal and didn't look organized today in their blowout of EMU. I'm looking forward to Notre Dame. Newsflash, Charlie sucks and ND's legacy is going to be just as famous for continued failure. The Spartans won't be big 10 champs this year but I'm still going to have a good time watching.
Plus Sparty is a way cooler mascot than some pansy ass land speculator vying for a hunk of barren wasteland in the middle of nowhere. GO SPARTANS!!! :thumbs:
We have 11 championship rings MD(more than any other team). I wear them on all ten fingers, if you can guess where I wear the eleventh you can kiss it :bird:
ND stuggled today, but hey, after last season I'll take any win.
Aaron
Florida Gators - 26
Miami 'Canes - 3
Despite some early kinks the "Swamp" boys got it going. :clap:
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 06, 2008, 08:35:03 PM
We have 11 championship rings MD(more than any other team). I wear them on all ten fingers, if you can guess where I wear the eleventh you can kiss it :bird:
ND stuggled today, but hey, after last season I'll take any win.
Aaron
Yep you have 11, too bad the latest was 20 years ago and only 3 are in the last 50 years.
In the past 50 years the following teams have been more successful in terms of national championships:
bama 4
usc 5
okla 4
miami 5
nebraska 5
Your legacy is just that, memories of the past.
Quote from: Flynbyu on September 03, 2008, 04:22:06 PM
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Flynbyu1973/utisgay.jpg)
Boomer Sooner bitches.
:lol:
~Brian
I just spit my water across the room! :lol: I hate Austin, those O0 have bumper stickers that say KEEP AUSTIN WEIRD. Go back to San Francisco. :box:
Quote from: Mad Dog on September 06, 2008, 09:20:08 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 06, 2008, 08:35:03 PM
We have 11 championship rings MD(more than any other team). I wear them on all ten fingers, if you can guess where I wear the eleventh you can kiss it :bird:
ND stuggled today, but hey, after last season I'll take any win.
Aaron
Yep you have 11, too bad the latest was 20 years ago and only 3 are in the last 50 years.
In the past 50 years the following teams have been more successful in terms of national championships:
bama 4
usc 5
okla 4
miami 5
nebraska 5
Your legacy is just that, memories of the past.
How many does Mich State have? Now, get back to your co, co, cooler water boy er.er.eeeer
:rofl:
i had a teacher in 6th grade
a bible teacher to be exact
and he kept braggin bout michigan
so i told him " and i bet that you can fit that many rings in your ass at one time huh"
he left one month later...
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 06, 2008, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: Mad Dog on September 06, 2008, 09:20:08 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 06, 2008, 08:35:03 PM
We have 11 championship rings MD(more than any other team). I wear them on all ten fingers, if you can guess where I wear the eleventh you can kiss it :bird:
ND stuggled today, but hey, after last season I'll take any win.
Aaron
Yep you have 11, too bad the latest was 20 years ago and only 3 are in the last 50 years.
In the past 50 years the following teams have been more successful in terms of national championships:
bama 4
usc 5
okla 4
miami 5
nebraska 5
Your legacy is just that, memories of the past.
How many does Mich State have? Now, get back to your co, co, cooler water boy er.er.eeeer
:rofl:
Even the waterboy won a bowl game... 8)
BTW, you may want to re-check that "most championships" claim. Looks like you owe Princeton and Yale an apology.
http://www.ncaa.com/history/default.aspx?id=91434
Quote from: Mad Dog on September 07, 2008, 12:04:19 AM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 06, 2008, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: Mad Dog on September 06, 2008, 09:20:08 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 06, 2008, 08:35:03 PM
We have 11 championship rings MD(more than any other team). I wear them on all ten fingers, if you can guess where I wear the eleventh you can kiss it :bird:
ND stuggled today, but hey, after last season I'll take any win.
Aaron
Yep you have 11, too bad the latest was 20 years ago and only 3 are in the last 50 years.
In the past 50 years the following teams have been more successful in terms of national championships:
bama 4
usc 5
okla 4
miami 5
nebraska 5
Your legacy is just that, memories of the past.
How many does Mich State have? Now, get back to your co, co, cooler water boy er.er.eeeer
:rofl:
Even the waterboy won a bowl game... 8)
BTW, you may want to re-check that "most championships" claim. Looks like you owe Princeton and Yale an apology.
http://www.ncaa.com/history/default.aspx?id=91434
I have the NCAA history book ;), the ND championships are considered the most Consensus in the modern era. that's a good bar bet with someone though, no-one ever gets Yale right :rofl:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame_Fighting_Irish_football
Yale, Princton, and Harvard played two or three games a year, and the best record was the champ.
and like I said, how many does Michigan state have in the last century??
;)
Quote from: Mad Dog on September 06, 2008, 08:16:42 PM
Sooners have another breezy schedule. Brian's going to be increasingly unbearable this year I can tell, so I'll keep my involvement in this thread to a minimum. OU will be in the BCS if Mizzou doesn't squash them in the Big 12 title game.
Rich Rodriguez bailed on WVU and they have fallen on their face, despite reasonable talent levels. Michigan isn't a top tier team this year, but one would have thought they were good enough to keep their head above water outside of the BCS conferences. It will be a disappointing year for Rich, probably 7 wins and certainly no more than 8.
OSU didn't look good today, but I still think Sanchez is over-rated and if Beanie is back next week it'll be a good game. OSU CAN win, they have the talent and capability but it's dependent on their execution and IMO that's been a problem. Even if they lose it wouldn't keep them from rolling the big 10 and getting another shot at a big name team in a BCS bowl, or perhaps even more satisfying an OSU vs OU BCS matchup (not the title game of course) and shut Brian up once and for all.
My spartans lost that game against Cal and didn't look organized today in their blowout of EMU. I'm looking forward to Notre Dame. Newsflash, Charlie sucks and ND's legacy is going to be just as famous for continued failure. The Spartans won't be big 10 champs this year but I'm still going to have a good time watching.
Plus Sparty is a way cooler mascot than some pansy ass land speculator vying for a hunk of barren wasteland in the middle of nowhere. GO SPARTANS!!! :thumbs:
Breezy schedule?
The Luckeyes are going to need all the luck they can get to even make it to a BCS game this year because a four loss tema usually doesn't play in a BCS Bowl. Judging them by that performance yesterday, I'm willing to bet Ohio State gets RAILED at USC next week.
Kudos to Ohio State for nearly getting beat by such a tough team. :rolleyes:
Mizzwho got dealt with twice last year convincingly, and if the Sooners work on D like they did in the last Big 12 Championship, I wouldn't be worried.
First game jitters are over, it's time to tune the engine for everyone.
See you next week,
~Brian
Good, then none of this will be new information. I had to look up 2/3 of it but luckily most of it supports my point :P
"Modern Era" is a little arbitrary, to get those 11 you're still counting 4 championships from before WW II, the same time when the Model T Ford was in showrooms and the TV was first demonstrated to the nation. What's so "modern" about those times?
Yale didn't play in 1869, the first recognized game was between Princeton and Rutgers and Princeton won. In 1899 there were as many teams as there were in 1901, so what makes 1901 so special? There were 10 teams in 1881, we call that enough for a conference now so why isn't it enough for a national championship? OK, NM and AZ all had teams playing football before 1900 and before they became states. So what's the justification for the 1901 cutoff?
MSU has 3 officially recognized and claims another 3, all post WW II. Only 3 of ND's championships have come since MSU's last championship, not counting the game of the century (which left us with a better record than ND but resulted in a shared ND/MSU title).
Yeah, breezy. There are more top 25 schools on OSU's schedule than there are on Oklahoma's, although I know you guys are still worried about TCU :lol: :P
Only if OSU lost every game to a ranked opponent would they get 4 losses, and as I'm sure you'll mention endlessly throughout the season the big 10 isn't exactly feared for the strength of it's mid-level teams, (or top level in some cases). Only 1 of the games against top 25 teams is going to be against a non big 10 opponent. IMO they would have to really screw up to end the season with more than 2 losses.
OSU had a bad day, and at no point did they "nearly get beat" by Ohio. I watched the game, don't pull assessments out of your arse. Things like trailing to a MAC team can happen when you lose your star running back and spend the whole week looking forward to a team you believe has the ability to slap you silly. In expectation of such an opponent it's not hard to shrug off Ohio and simply fail to show up to play. I'm not worried, neither is Lee Corso :)
Corso?
:rofl:
"Not so fast my friend"
Actually, even Ohio State's players even said Ohio deserved to win based on their terrible performance. Every sports writer with a vote in the AP poll also saw things the same way, with the exception of the douche bag that still gave them one vote as the nations top team (He's gotta be from Ohio). Ohio State dropped in the poll two spots this week. Ohio was a 33.5 point underdog. Ohio State even without a star player should have at least beat them by 20-25. If Ohio State was so good, they should be 2-3 deep at each position. Besides, there is no "i" in team. Wells doesn't keep the ball the whole game. One thing is for sure, it's going to get ugly at USC.
~Brian
AP Top 25
1.USC (33)
2.Georgia (23)
3.Oklahoma (2)
4.Florida(4)
5.Ohio St. (1)
6.Missouri (6)
7.LSU (1)
8.Texas
9.Auburn
10.Wisconsin
11.Alabama
12.Texas Tech
13.Kansas
14.East Carolina
15.Arizona St.
16.Oregon
17.Penn St.
18.BYU
19.South Florida
20.Wake Forest
21.Fresno St.
22.Utah
23.California
24.Illinois
25.West Virginia
I think Georgia is the top team in the land, and has the best chance of winning it all.
~Brian
go gators! :clap:
they played like shiznit at miami tho :(
http://www.rivals.com/video.asp?section=football&pkey=&vidtype=publisher&vidid=6066
That was a kick ass move. Too bad people didn't get to see it.
Quote from: Krandall on September 10, 2008, 07:51:06 AM
http://www.rivals.com/video.asp?section=football&pkey=&vidtype=publisher&vidid=6066
Like I said....Georgia is the shiz this year.
~Brian
:rofl: SCORE!!!!
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1829508
Blocked by the internet Nazis.
~Brian
Vid of a guy gettin a Hand Job live on ESPN :rofl:
PAC-10 RULES... :lol:
Go DUCKS.
USC is definitely number one in the land. They looked pretty dominate tonight.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Flynbyu1973/Overrated.jpg)
Georgia survived a scare, and didn't look so sharp today.
Oklahoma looked very good today.
Missouri looked very good today.
LSU against North Texas High School....No brainer.
Auburn and Mississippi State. Score 3-2. Sounded more like a baseball game.
So far, Wisconsin is up at Fresno State 10-0 (Late game).
Now, for the bottom ten,
Notre Lame puts it on Michigan's ass today. Michigan fumbles more today than someteams do in a year.
There were a couple of upsets today, but one thing is for sure, the top ten is going to look a bit different on Sunday.
~Brian
AP Top 25
1.USC (61)
2.Oklahoma
3.Georgia (2)
4.Florida (1)
5.Missouri
6.LSU
7.Texas
8.Wisconsin
9.Alabama
10.Auburn
11.Texas Tech
12.South Florida
13.Ohio St.
14.BYU
15.East Carolina
16.Penn St.
17.Oregon
18.Wake Forest
19.Kansas
20.Utah
21.West Virginia
22.Illinois
23.Clemson
24.Florida St.
25.Fresno St
~Brian
How in the hell is OSU 13th. There are other no loss teams below them!!! :confused:
How the hell is FSU number 24 :confused:
They suck ass
I guess they did a good job in signing this year
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on September 16, 2008, 07:10:58 AM
How in the hell is OSU 13th. There are other no loss teams below them!!! :confused:
All of those "Pro-East" writers giving them the benefit of the doubt I guess.
:confused:
This article came out Sunday. I think it hits the nail on the head. Wetzel sets the record straight.
Clueless in Columbus
By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
Sep 14, 2:21 am EDT
Buzz Up PrintMore From Dan WetzelMust-win for OSU Sep 10, 2008
LOS ANGELES – Here was Jim Tressel, sitting in front of a microphone after his program again melted into a big-game puddle of scarlet and grey. Here was Ohio State's leader after another national humiliation, 35-3, this time at the hands of Southern California.
Here was the sweater vest, who keeps calling for the same old failed game plan even when he's far from the comforts of the cornfields of the Midwest. He's an example of coaching insanity – expecting the same bad plays to produce different results.
Here was Jim Tressel and all he could do was smile and shrug.
"The guys fought hard," he offered Saturday night. "I don't know that we did the best we could do, but we fought hard."
So apparently that's it now for Ohio State. They fought hard. Let's just focus on the moral victory – the lament of every blown-out, schedule-padding cupcake in college football. We were overmatched and outcoached, sure, but we fought hard.
Only this is Ohio State. The Buckeyes keep getting their ass kicked when they dare to venture out of Big Ten/MAC land and Tressel doesn't look or sound the least bit concerned.
Outrage? Frustration? Embarrassment? How about apologies to the Buckeye fans who no doubt feel plenty of all three? Or maybe one for poor quarterback Todd Boeckman, who thanks to a most uninspired offensive game plan had USC defenders taking turns teeing up to try to rupture his spleen?
"They did everything we saw on film, nothing changed," said USC linebacker Rey Maualuga, who had five tackles and a pick six.
It isn't just that Ohio State keeps producing no-show efforts in these supposed referendum games. It's that the Buckeyes passion postgame is as feeble as it is in the game. If they are just being polite and internalizing, then the Bucks will one day need a lot of therapy.
"Taking a lot of heat from whom?" Tressel retorted when asked about the perception of the program nationally. "I guess I'm only concerned with Ohio State fans."
If he thinks they are satisfied with this, he must be blinded by his latest contract extension.
This was paint-by-numbers football, the Buckeyes exposed as frauds early in the year this time, not at the end. This year, not even the absurd BCS can save them. Not that they admitted that.
"It's only September," Tressel said.
"We kept fighting, I'm happy with the effort," said linebacker Jim Laurinaitis, perhaps oblivious to the 35 consecutive points USC scored, a number that could've been greater had Trojans coach Pete Carroll wanted to run it up.
Getting rolled by a powerhouse Trojan team, at home in a rowdy L.A. Coliseum on a perfect California night is one thing. Taking a whipping and hardly caring is another.
The Buckeyes have gotten fat and happy in the Midwest and it isn't just a lack of speed or talent that keeps getting them destroyed nationally. It's a lack of urgency.
"We've got Troy next week," Laurinaitis said. "We just need to work on getting better."
Troy? Really, Troy?
"What's important for us is we roll up our sleeves and go back to work," said Tressel, whose sweater never has sleeves.
Back in the Midwest, Ohio State's version of football works wonders. It generally has better talent than opponents and consistently grinds out victory after victory.
It's everywhere else, against everyone else, that Ohio State can hardly run or throw, tackle or scheme. And there is no way it's changing unless Tressel begins to admit it.
"We've had success but you kind of have to measure success with who you play," admitted wide receiver Brian Hartline, perhaps the only Buckeye with any emotion postgame.
"We do a great job playing against Big Ten teams but a lot of times, you have to get ready for out of conference. Obviously we haven't done that very well in the near past."
What's the difference?
"I don't know," he shrugged. "I really don't know. I don't personally see a lot of difference, but there's got to be something."
Try everything. This looked like the same shell-shocked program of BCS beatings past. After Florida destroyed them in January 2007, the Bucks showed up again in the title game and promised something different. It was the same, destruction at the hands of LSU.
This year they returned so many starters and so many stars, all of whom promised redemption. USC smacked them around with ease.
Hartline claimed he and his fellow receivers were open, but the offensive line didn't provide time for quarterbacks Boeckman or Terrelle Pryor to throw. USC had five sacks.
"The ball couldn't get in the air," Hartline said.
Meanwhile, the USC line opened holes for C.J. Gable and Joe McKnight to pad their YouTube highlights.
When Ohio State is getting dominated (again) in the trenches, what exactly does this program stand for anymore?
Don't ask Tressel. Apparently it's all about fighting hard. Besides, all things considered, he seemed relatively pleased.
After all, they get Troy next week.
~Brian
Quote from: darkside94 on September 16, 2008, 07:15:44 AM
How the hell is FSU number 24 :confused:
They suck ass
I guess they did a good job in signing this year
Because they beat the powerful Chattanooga in a supervised scrimmage.
:lol:
I think Bowden's FSU teams have had more time in the AP Top 25 Poll than any other college. I'll double check that, but I think I read that somewhere.
~Brian
At least the polls weren't dumb and rank ND in the top 25
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 16, 2008, 08:07:51 AM
At least the polls weren't dumb and rank ND in the top 25
Others Receiving Votes:
Vanderbilt 63, Oklahoma St. 62, TCU 45, Boise St. 38, Arizona St. 36, North Carolina 31, Virginia Tech 28, Nebraska 21, Tennessee 15, Connecticut 13, Iowa 12, Tulsa 6, Kentucky 6,
Notre Dame 4, Northwestern 4, Minnesota 4, Arizona 2, UCF 1, Ball St. 1, South Carolina 1
~Brian
Quote from: Flynbyu on September 16, 2008, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 16, 2008, 08:07:51 AM
At least the polls weren't dumb and rank ND in the top 25
Others Receiving Votes:
Vanderbilt 63, Oklahoma St. 62, TCU 45, Boise St. 38, Arizona St. 36, North Carolina 31, Virginia Tech 28, Nebraska 21, Tennessee 15, Connecticut 13, Iowa 12, Tulsa 6, Kentucky 6, Notre Dame 4, Northwestern 4, Minnesota 4, Arizona 2, UCF 1, Ball St. 1, South Carolina 1
~Brian
lol that makes 39th, probably still too high :rofl:
I'm not an Irish fan.
~Brian
Quote from: Flynbyu on September 16, 2008, 10:47:11 AM
I'm not an Irish fan.
~Brian
Really, I couldn't tell :rofl:
NBC played nothing but Notre Lame in the 90's. I lived in a rual area, and NBC was the only clear channel. On a clear day, we could get KTUL (Tulsa, OK) and watch Sooner games. Thank GERD for satellite.
~Brian
Good Game MD. Your Spartans played well, my Irish can't fucking buy a running game. :'(
That Running back is awesome :thumbs:
Ehem Florida vs Tennessee 30 - 6 :clap:
The Trojans just got fucked by the Beaver :rofl:
Quote from: Colorado700R on September 25, 2008, 10:33:27 PM
The Trojans just got F :mad: cked by the Beaver :rofl:
damn scraight (yes i meant to spell it that way)
27 - 21 :P
That was a HUGE upset.
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on September 26, 2008, 08:24:03 AM
That was a HUGE upset.
yea they will probably still go to the bcs bowl though :mad:
how bout them gators :rofl:
My blood pressure was up yesterday.
::)
Oklahoma up top.
Boo-yeah.
~Brian
AP Top 25
1.Oklahoma (51)
2.Alabama (13)
3.Missouri (1)
4.LSU
5.Texas
6.Penn St.
7.Texas Tech
8.USC
9.BYU
10.Georgia
11.Florida
12.Ohio St.
13.Vanderbilt
14.Utah
15.Boise St.
16.Kansas
17.Oklahoma St.
18.Virginia Tech
19.South Florida
20.Auburn
21.Wake Forest
22.North Carolina
23.Michigan St.
24.Pittsburgh
25.Ball St.
One of the best games I watched Sunday, Vandy vs. Auburn! Great game.
This weekend's key match ups: Oklahoma vs. Texas Red River shootout!
Missouri vs. Oklahoma State
Florida vs. LSU at the swamp!!!!!
~Brian
Go Georgia. :(
AP Top 25
1.Texas (39)
2.Alabama (26)
3.Penn St.
4.Oklahoma
5.Florida
6.USC
7.Texas Tech
8.Oklahoma St.
9.BYU
10.Georgia
11.Missouri
12.Ohio St.
13.LSU
14.Utah
15.Boise St.
16.Kansas
17.Virginia Tech
18.North Carolina
19.South Florida
20.Michigan St.
21.Wake Forest
22.Vanderbilt
23.Pittsburgh
24.Ball St.
25.California
Good weekend in football this coming weekend!
Missouri at Texas
Michigan at Penn State
Vanderbilt at Georgia
Ohio State at Michigan State
~Brian
GO GEORGIA.
:lol:
Wow what a weekend OU and Texas was a great game. :clap:
Can't believe I'm saying this but...NO LOVE FOR OSU???*
*(Oklahoma State University)
Normally when you knock off a top 3 team and keep an undefeated schedule you don't fall behind a 1 loss team from your own division and 2 one loss teams from other divisions. Heck they're only one peg above a BYU team that hasn't beaten anybody. I watched the Mizzou/OSU game on TV and OSU was better on both sides of the ball, with only OSU's terrible showing on special teams marring their day.
While I won't claim they belong above Texas I do believe they certainly belong above Texas Tech, who hasn't beaten anybody. They also belong above Oklahoma's one loss team, seeing as how Oklahoma's signature win is against TCU and they are now #4 in the Big 12 South rankings. We'll see if OSU was a fluke in 2 weeks when they take on Texas, but until then they deserve a little respect.
I'm really looking forward to the Ohio state vs Michgan state game. MS might have there number this year ???
Quote from: Colorado700R on October 13, 2008, 08:40:55 AM
I'm really looking forward to the Ohio state vs Michgan state game. MS might have there number this year ???
OSU has some pretty potent offensive weapons, they've just had a tough time getting them to be consistent. Our defensive backfield is roughed up pretty bad but most of OSU's threat is on the ground with Beanie and the legs of Pryor. Regardless they have a good defense with the potential to keep Ringer in the backfield. He'll have 100+ yds but our QB is going to have to step up to the plate and deliver like he did in some of the big games last season.
It should be a great game. GO GREEN! :thumbs:
Agreed.
Oklahoma State needs a little more love for sure. I watched the highlights, and it was an awesome game. Their defensive game plan was similar to Oklahoma's game plan in the Big 12 Championship last year, put pressure on Daniel and kept Missouri's star performer Maclin from running the ball and don't give up a lot of big plays.
Hats off to Gundy, he pulled off a helluva win!
~Brian
I find it funny that the dog isn't on very much but the monday after Oklahoma takes a loss he's here and waiting.
Come on Brian, get in here and take it like a man.
:lol:
:lol:
I told myself I wasn't going to get into it over the Sooners and I won't, I just couldn't sit by and see OK State get the shaft like they did.
BTW I think putting Va Tech and UNC over the Spartans is a joke, and I could argue South Florida too. UNC barely beats Notre Dame (we whomped them) and their signature win is over TCU; they also lost to Va Tech. Va Tech has NO signature win and lost to E. Carolina, who went on to win one big game and lose a couple little ones. As for S. Florida sure they beat a good kansas team, but they lost to Pitt (who lost to BOWLING GREEN). I can accept S. Florida ahead of MSU because of the Kansas win, but I don't understand UNC or VT.
I'm taking the Spartans at home over Ohio State this weekend.
~Brian
well gators are back to number 5 after that stomping they gave lsu :grin_nod:
Quote from: darkside94 on October 13, 2008, 02:35:17 PM
well gators are back to number 5 after that stomping they gave lsu :grin_nod:
That suprised me.
After a slow start against Arkansas the week before, I would have thought that game would have been a blow out in LSU's favor.
SEC is just too unpredictable. Tebow had a great game.
~Brian
yea well you dont the heisman for nothing ;)
Quote from: darkside94 on October 13, 2008, 02:43:51 PM
yea well you dont the heisman for nothing ;)
Sure you do.
Chris Weinke
Gino Toretta
Andre Ware
Rashan Saalam
Danny Wuerffel
Eric Crouch
Charlie Ward (Went on to play for the New York Knicks)
Desmond Howard
Ty Detmer
All heisman flops. Darren McFadden could make this list in the next five years should he get stuck with the shitty Raiders for a long period of time. It's sad because he's very talented, but his team will hold him back.
~Brian
ok you got me :lol:
Quote from: Flynbyu on October 13, 2008, 02:57:36 PM
Quote from: darkside94 on October 13, 2008, 02:43:51 PM
yea well you dont the heisman for nothing ;)
Sure you do.
Chris Weinke
Gino Toretta
Andre Ware
Rashan Saalam
Danny Wuerffel
Eric Crouch
Charlie Ward (Went on to play for the New York Knicks)
Desmond Howard
Ty Detmer
All heisman flops. Darren McFadden could make this list in the next five years should he get stuck with the shitty Raiders for a long period of time. It's sad because he's very talented, but his team will hold him back.
~Brian
So far Matt Lienart, Carson Palmer, and Reggie Bush have been NFL average at best.
Quote from: Colorado700R on October 13, 2008, 04:51:56 PM
Quote from: Flynbyu on October 13, 2008, 02:57:36 PM
Quote from: darkside94 on October 13, 2008, 02:43:51 PM
yea well you dont the heisman for nothing ;)
Sure you do.
Chris Weinke
Gino Toretta
Andre Ware
Rashan Saalam
Danny Wuerffel
Eric Crouch
Charlie Ward (Went on to play for the New York Knicks)
Desmond Howard
Ty Detmer
All heisman flops. Darren McFadden could make this list in the next five years should he get stuck with the shitty Raiders for a long period of time. It's sad because he's very talented, but his team will hold him back.
~Brian
So far Matt Lienart, Carson Palmer, and Reggie Bush have been NFL average at best.
True....but there's only two of the three that are starters.
~Brian
This explains ND football last year :mad:
At least we forwarded this trick onto Michigan :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmSCh5ZkMqk&feature=related
Good old Spartans...predictable as ever. :(
My year for sports is O.V.E.R.
Quote from: Mad Dog on October 19, 2008, 03:09:26 PM
Good old Spartans...predictable as ever. :(
I had high hopes for them too. They're still off to a great start despite the loss.
~Brian
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on October 19, 2008, 04:19:07 PM
My year for sports is O.V.E.R.
Michigan had a small lead at the half, and was playing well. After the half they just felll apart.
~Brian
AP Top 25
1.Texas (65)
2.Alabama
3.Penn St.
4.Oklahoma
5.Florida
6.USC
7.Oklahoma St.
8.Texas Tech
9.Georgia
10.Ohio St.
11.LSU
12.Utah
13.Boise St.
14.South Florida
15.TCU
16.Missouri
17.Pittsburgh
18.BYU
19.Kansas
20.Ball St.
21.Georgia Tech
22.Tulsa
23.Boston Coll.
24.Florida St.
25.Minnesota
FINALLY we have an undisputed #1. Texas put it on Missouri's ass.
~Brian
Go Gophers! 8)
AP Top 25
1.Texas (65)
2.Alabama
3.Penn St.
4.Oklahoma
5.Florida
6.Texas Tech
7.USC
8.Georgia
9.Oklahoma St.
10.Utah
11.Boise St.
12.TCU
13.Ohio St.
14.Missouri
15.LSU
16.Florida St.
17.BYU
18.Ball St.
19.Tulsa
20.Minnesota
21.North Carolina
22.Michigan St.
23.Oregon
24.South Florida
25.Maryland
Key matchups this week:
Texas vs. Texas Tech
Florida vs. Georgia
~Brian
Texas maybe undisputed in the polls, but I think atleast 2 of the three SEC teams in the top ten would hand them their ass.
I'm giving up on this year.
:(
Minnesota last year only won 1 game.. this year. they are 7-1.. chance for a bowl game. Pretty sweet. I think in order to get to a game, they'll need to win all their games left though.
Oh, and GO Georgia!
Quote from: Colorado700R on October 27, 2008, 08:59:25 AM
Texas maybe undisputed in the polls, but I think atleast 2 of the three SEC teams in the top ten would hand them their ass.
I would disagree with that statement, but I think there would be a two teams they would match up very well with. The SEC is too unpredictable. You don't know which team will show up week to week. I think Texas consistency has put them where they are today. Penn State has a cake walk the rest of the year, especially since they do not play a conference championship.
~Brian
The cubs were the cubs, michigan is stinking it up, the bears are doing better then I thought and we'll see about the bulls and lakers. All in all its been a crappy year in sports for me.
SNL's 2nd presidential debate asked the candidates about the Cubs......
It was pretty brutal.
~Brian
yeah I saw that. But I got a good laugh out of it.
Wonder what my Irish will do against Pitt this weekend :rolleyes:
They had NC, then gave them the game, so who knows ::)
Who are the Irish?
Just kidding.
~Brian
Gators win 63 - 5 over kentucky
2 punt blocks and a fg block
and an interception return
tebow went 11-15 for 180 yds
The gators have a dozen players who run the 40 in 4.4 or less and they also have the fastest player to ever play college football :jaw:
Quote from: darkside94 on October 27, 2008, 10:13:26 AM
Gators win 63 - 5 over kentucky
2 punt blocks and a fg block
and an interception return
tebow went 11-15 for 180 yds
The gators have a dozen players who run the 40 in 4.4 or less and they also have the fastest player to ever play college football :jaw:
They have the fast player since electronic timing was instated :thumbs:
Rocket Ismahil, and Deion Sanders would have been right in step with that guy
Quote from: Colorado700R on October 27, 2008, 10:17:16 AM
Quote from: darkside94 on October 27, 2008, 10:13:26 AM
Gators win 63 - 5 over kentucky
2 punt blocks and a fg block
and an interception return
tebow went 11-15 for 180 yds
The gators have a dozen players who run the 40 in 4.4 or less and they also have the fastest player to ever play college football :jaw:
They have the fast player since electronic timing was instated :thumbs:
Rocket Ismahil, and Deion Sanders would have been right in step with that guy
I have an 8x10 autograph by both Deion and Raghib Ismail.
He signed it "Rocket"
~Brian
Quote from: Flynbyu on October 27, 2008, 10:21:20 AM
Quote from: Colorado700R on October 27, 2008, 10:17:16 AM
Quote from: darkside94 on October 27, 2008, 10:13:26 AM
Gators win 63 - 5 over kentucky
2 punt blocks and a fg block
and an interception return
tebow went 11-15 for 180 yds
The gators have a dozen players who run the 40 in 4.4 or less and they also have the fastest player to ever play college football :jaw:
They have the fast player since electronic timing was instated :thumbs:
Rocket Ismahil, and Deion Sanders would have been right in step with that guy
I have an 8x10 autograph by both Dieon and Raghib Ismail.
He signed it "Rocket"
~Brian
Both those guys were just scary fast, and fun to watch :jaw:
My bro has a Dion Sanders Rookie Card signed.
Oh, ok i get ya. Jeff Demps would have finished 7th in the olympics with his 100m time which is 10.01
Both of mine 8x10's were while both players were playing for Dallas.
~Brian
Quote from: Flynbyu on October 27, 2008, 09:07:16 AM
Quote from: Colorado700R on October 27, 2008, 08:59:25 AM
Texas maybe undisputed in the polls, but I think atleast 2 of the three SEC teams in the top ten would hand them their ass.
I would disagree with that statement, but I think there would be a two teams they would match up very well with. The SEC is too unpredictable. You don't know which team will show up week to week. I think Texas consistency has put them where they are today. Penn State has a cake walk the rest of the year, especially since they do not play a conference championship.
~Brian
Bama is no slouch and I think Florida is still dangerous when they're running on all cylinders. The TT/Texas shootout should be a heck of a game.
Penn State still has to play MSU the last game of the year...I know I'm showing some blind loyalty here but with my fingers crossed I'm looking forward to MSU going the next few games without a loss leaving the Penn State/MSU game as the Big 10 championship...
And no I don't have to be reminded of MSU's showing at OSU, just trying to be optimistic. Regardless I don't think the game will be the blowout that the OSU/MSU game was. I'm glad OSU lost to Penn St, I think it's time Joe Pa got a chance to represent the Big 10 after watching Tressel lose the big ones.
Honestly Joe Pa should hang up his skates. It's been a great ride for him, but he needs to retire and enjoy life. I'd like to see MSU with an upset....That would shake things up a bit. I talked to Webb and he said he'll be at the big house to watch MSU stomp Michigans ass!
I agree with you on Florida, but you never know which team will show up. Tebow was on fire last week!
Texas Tech and Texas.....Tech likes those short 5,10,15 yeard passes....They'll eat Texas up on short gains, but Texas will have to force a few turnovers. I think it will be a high scoring game.
~Brian
I really think that a big 10 title would be a great way for Joe to leave, besides his contract is up after this season anyway I think. But he's still putting together strong teams and despite the heavy losses to injury and off-field shenanigans they're undefeated and ranked in the top 3 in the country. He's earned the right to go on coaching for as long as he wants IMO, but he needs a plan in place for when he's gone if he doesn't have one already.
Quote from: Mad Dog on October 28, 2008, 04:07:48 PM
I really think that a big 10 title would be a great way for Joe to leave, besides his contract is up after this season anyway I think. But he's still putting together strong teams and despite the heavy losses to injury and off-field shenanigans they're undefeated and ranked in the top 3 in the country. He's earned the right to go on coaching for as long as he wants IMO, but he needs a plan in place for when he's gone if he doesn't have one already.
110% agree, if he was below .500, I could see the arguement for retirment, but undefeated and Ranked in the top 5 nationally?
That's just crazy talk :rofl:
Gophers... 8 point favorite.....
29-6 :mad:
Seriously, these SEC refs suck. Seems like every other flag on the field is picked up, I thought I was indecisive...
I'm sick of hearing about Chris "Beanie" Wells.
Shonne Greene had 28 carries for 117yds and 2TD in their loss to Penn State, Chris Wells had 22 carries for 55 yards and no scores against Penn State.
Javon Ringer had 35 carries for 124 yards vs Northwestern and 2TD and Shonne Greene had 29 carries for 159 yards and 1 TD against Northwestern. Chris Wells against Northwestern today had 28 carries for 140 yards and 2TD, most of those yards on one 55 yard break for a TD.
Ringer is averaging 10.9pts and 140.7yds per game, Greene is averaging 7.8pts and 137.4yds per game, Wells is averaging 5.1pts and 116.3 per game.
And there are some great backs at UConn and OK St. that deserve to be mentioned in any discussion about RB's.
But all I hear about on ESPN, newscasts and post game shows is how Beanie is a Godsend talent they call the best in the NCAA. He's overrated and over valued, I don't care if he's the best NFL type talent he's not in the top 40 in any rushing category in the NCAA and there are 2 better backs in his own conference. "big game beanie" has never shown up in a big game, he was shut out at PSU and stubbed his toe and couldn't play USC and OSU hasn't had another "big game" all year. I'm beginning to understand why so many people hate OSU, both in the state of Ohio and across the country.
How about that LSU-Alabama finish, what do you think would have been the outcome with Hatch in? LEE had 4 INT and 38% completion ratio. That sux!
And how about Iowa with the upset?
Good day for football just wish LSU came through!
Iowa and 'Bama wins were by the skin of their teeth, good games. Funny how the wind took Darryl Clark's pass way over the intended reciever, that's all Iowa needed. Amazed Les kept Lee in that long but it's not like the frosh backup is proven either. Funny that one game ended with a field goal in the waning seconds while the other game had the same situation but the field goal was bust.
I wanted 'Bama to lose for Penn State's sake, but after the loss I didn't really care as I watched the final few minutes of regulation and overtime.
OK St/TT game on now, OK St is making a statement right away, should be a great game.
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 08, 2008, 06:17:21 PM
OK St/TT game on now, OK St is making a statement right away, should be a great game.
O SHIT I DIDN't Notice the clock, work has kinda flown by today watching all these games haha. OAK St is already leading 7-0 but WAHOO Barren for 38 yards!
should be a bad ass game but gotta watch the roy jones jr fight tonight too.
Wasn't much of a game outside the first quarter. Get this, TT held #9 OK St. to fewer points and won by a larger margin than the Texas/Baylor matchup earlier today. OK also allowed 8 more points from TA&M but did put up a 2 pt larger margin.
TT still has a long way to go, but right now they look like the cream of the Big 12 crop.
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s114/raptorbuck/ncf_ap_johnson_dailey_412-1.jpg)
OU has a by this coming week, they'll need it. Defense is suspect, and I'll be suprised if they split the two remaining, Tech and Oklahoma State.
Peels, how about them Hawkeyes?
~Brian
Quote from: Krandall on November 08, 2008, 02:39:08 PM
Gophers... 8 point favorite.....
29-6 :mad:
Well at least we found one team that we can win against.
Michigan actually showed up this week.
~Brian
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 10, 2008, 12:10:44 PM
Michigan actually showed up this week.
~Brian
Helps that Minnesota didn't. :lol: ;)
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 10, 2008, 02:36:47 PM
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 10, 2008, 12:10:44 PM
Michigan actually showed up this week.
~Brian
Helps that Minnesota didn't. :lol: ;)
I'm just glad Minnesota got my money order in time.
:lol:
I'm thinking your boys might have a shot at a Rose Bowl appearance!
~Brian
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 09, 2008, 04:31:19 AM
OU has a by this coming week, they'll need it. Defense is suspect, and I'll be suprised if they split the two remaining, Tech and Oklahoma State.
Peels, how about them Hawkeyes?
~Brian
"that's the life I live..the Looooooooooonesome Kicker!" :lol:
You ought to listen to that Sandler song sometime. It is absolutely hysterical..and right on the money.
Quote from: Peels660 on November 10, 2008, 03:15:26 PM
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 09, 2008, 04:31:19 AM
OU has a by this coming week, they'll need it. Defense is suspect, and I'll be suprised if they split the two remaining, Tech and Oklahoma State.
Peels, how about them Hawkeyes?
~Brian
"that's the life I live..the Looooooooooonesome Kicker!" :lol:
You ought to listen to that Sandler song sometime. It is absolutely hysterical..and right on the money.
Yeah, I've heard it. I have all the Sandler CD's Loved the goat!
~Brian
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 10, 2008, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: Peels660 on November 10, 2008, 03:15:26 PM
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 09, 2008, 04:31:19 AM
OU has a by this coming week, they'll need it. Defense is suspect, and I'll be suprised if they split the two remaining, Tech and Oklahoma State.
Peels, how about them Hawkeyes?
~Brian
"that's the life I live..the Looooooooooonesome Kicker!" :lol:
You ought to listen to that Sandler song sometime. It is absolutely hysterical..and right on the money.
Yeah, I've heard it. I have all the Sandler CD's Loved the goat!
~Brian
"F**k me in the goat a$$!" :lol:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That's great!
I love the song "Loving You" on the first disc.
ERMAHGERD.
~Brian
AP Top 25
1.Alabama (63)
2.Florida (2)
3.Oklahoma
4.Texas
5.USC
6.Penn St.
7.Texas Tech
8.Utah
9.Boise St.
10.Ohio St.
11.Oklahoma St.
12.Missouri
13.Georgia
14.TCU
15.Ball St.
16.Cincinnati
17.Oregon St.
18.Georgia Tech
19.Oregon
20.BYU
20.Boston Coll.
22.Michigan St.
23.Florida St.
24.Northwestern
25.Mississippi
I'm very suprised at the ass whipping Oklahoma handed Texas Tech. I haven't seen an ass whipping like that since the election on November 4th. That's the best Oklahoma defense I've seen all year. It reminded me of last year's defense against Missouri in the Big 12 Championship. WOW. I actually though Tech would win.
Two key matchups this week: Florida vs. Alabama, followed by Bedlam, Oklahoma vs. Oklahoma State at Stilwater.
~Brian
I'm glad that year is over. :(
Michigan set a lot of negative records this year.
Definitely not the norm for them.
~Brian
I'm sure they'll stick by RR another year but I think he'll be lucky if he has his head let alone his job next year if he has the same type of year.
Agreed.
He won't last long with performances like that.
~Brian
Watched part of another Iowa game. Sorry Krandall. :( :lol:
Minnesota started strong this year (7-1)....the finish, not so strong.
~Brian
Bob stoops isn't exactly classy when he gets up on points is he? Quite the BCS whore. But looking at the stats for this year and last I can see it's par for his course. Funny how it's a national outrage when Tressell does it, but it's "being a great coach" when Stoops does it.
OK's defense was great, they really seemed to know exactly what was coming. But I would have to say that as good as the defense was TT's offense was close to if not just as bad. Seemed like everyone was going at 80% most of the time on the TT side of the ball. OK was the better team that day no doubt, but that wasn't the TT team I'd seen play the last half of the season. OK deserves to be in the top 5 and the ok/okst game should be a good one.
Michigan sucked, I thought Rich Rod was a stubborn prick before the weekend, now I just think he's a hack.
Michigan State sucked, they would have made less of an embarrassment of themselves if they'd just took a knee on every play. Guess it's proof that while we're not the Minnesota of this year we certainly don't belong contending for the B11 championship with PSU and OSU. I have hopes that we can redeem ourselves with a Bowl win but IMO it's too early to tell who we'll end up playing.
atleast your team didn't get rectally violated by Syracuse :mad:
Quote from: Peels660 on November 24, 2008, 08:24:43 AM
Watched part of another Iowa game. Sorry Krandall. :( :lol:
It's the story of Minnesota I swear..... :rolleyes:
we got straight up creamed.
Quote from: Colorado700R on November 24, 2008, 09:39:12 AM
atleast your team didn't get rectally violated by Syracuse :mad:
My friend was at that game, the fans turned on the team. It was just ugly.
Quote from: Colorado700R on November 24, 2008, 09:39:12 AM
atleast your team didn't get rectally violated by Syracuse :mad:
Well I see that so often by so many teams I've kind of become numb to it anymore. :rofl:
Besides, in the greatest rape of all time of your team by the land's most useless blob a little poking by syracuse is just another item on the list.
In all honesty I loathe ND, but they deserve a better coach.
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 24, 2008, 09:46:38 AM
Quote from: Colorado700R on November 24, 2008, 09:39:12 AM
atleast your team didn't get rectally violated by Syracuse :mad:
Well I see that so often by so many teams I've kind of become numb to it anymore. :rofl:
Besides, in the greatest rape of all time of your team by the land's most useless blob a little poking by syracuse is just another item on the list.
In all honesty I loathe ND, but they deserve a better coach.
They've done very little with an ass load of talent since he took over, that's for sure.
I think Bob's pretty classy, but his teams do try to get his point across on the field. He does campaign hard for Oklahoma when they are deserving. Where Tressel and Stoops teams differ, Tressel teams can't hang +40 points on ranked top ranked opponents.
I'm more impressed with Michigan State this year for their performance. Although 2 of their 3 losses came to the only ranked opponents they played, it was a stellar year for them. Much improved from years past. I'm afraid Ringer is done though, he had a less than stellar performance in the season finale. Hard to believe Penn State held him to 42 yards. He still gets an invite to the Heisman Ceremony, as it was well deserved. At least they'll go to a Bowl game and represent the Big Ten proudly!
(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/11/21/128718088689838612.jpg?t=633629420538905674)
Michigan was by far the biggest shock of the year in the Big Ten. Normally they are a formidable foe, and loaded with talent. They just fell apart. Seven of their losses where by ten points or less.
~Brian
Becuase of the the way the big twelve is stacked right now, I think OU had to run up the score on TT to try and get the BCS folks attention. Once again, you will have these types of things in a system more run off of popularity than skill until a Playoff system is enabled. And since that will never happen, we get to bitch about for eternity :lol:
Nice pic...
Stoops pulls that shit with Baylor, he's just whoring it up for BCS computer poll points. He's done it all year to every opponent and he's been doing it for a few years now. Joe Pa and I tend to agree on this, it's not the way you do things. Yes the big 12 is stacked, but I have to ask, what are the conference's signature wins over other conferences? I'm genuinely asking, I don't know. PSU killed the OSU beavers who are atop the Pac 10, that's the best the big 10 can muster up.
Beanie Wells from Ohio State only had 55 against PSU, and he didn't play in sub-freezing temperatures and snow when he did it. Ringer did the barry sanders thing all year, inconsistent but amazing to watch when he broke through. I'm ok with his performance this season on the whole, he's still finishing in the top 5 of many rushing categories. Shonn Greene was clearly the best back in the nation this year, and even Ringer endorsed him last week before the game for Heisman.
Quote from: Colorado700R on November 24, 2008, 09:57:20 AM
Becuase of the the way the big twelve is stacked right now, I think OU had to run up the score on TT to try and get the BCS folks attention. Once again, you will have these types of things in a system more run off of popularity than skill until a Playoff system is enabled. And since that will never happen, we get to bitch about for eternity :lol:
Agreed.
That's what it's all about. A playoff system is needed in a bad way. The BCS system is a joke.
So how about Notre Dame's ex coach (Tyrone Wilingham) going winless at Washington?
Ouch.
~Brian
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 24, 2008, 10:00:25 AM
Nice pic...
Stoops pulls that shit with Baylor, he's just whoring it up for BCS computer poll points. He's done it all year to every opponent and he's been doing it for a few years now. Joe Pa and I tend to agree on this, it's not the way you do things.
Beanie Wells from Ohio State only had 55 against PSU, and he didn't play in sub-freezing temperatures and snow when he did it. Ringer did the barry sanders thing all year, inconsistent but amazing to watch when he broke through. I'm ok with his performance this season on the whole, he's still finishing in the top 5 of many rushing categories. Shonn Greene was clearly the best back in the nation this year, and even Ringer endorsed him last week before the game for Heisman.
Ohio State is guilty of that too, but their victories weren't as lopsided.
Baylor wasn't a pushover this year for....Oklahoma only hung 49 on them, and they are unranked. Baylor is much improved and has some talent because kids want to play, not go to a contender and ride the bench. Baylor's quarterback Griffin reminds me of a young Vince Young. If the kid hangs in there, he'll be solid in two years. He's mobile, and can throw the ball well when he's not running for his life.
Ringer has shown he has the ability to play on Sunday. I think he would make a nice addition 3rd down back for the first year or so with any team in the NFL.
~Brian
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 24, 2008, 10:00:25 AM
Nice pic...
Stoops pulls that shit with Baylor, he's just whoring it up for BCS computer poll points. He's done it all year to every opponent and he's been doing it for a few years now. Joe Pa and I tend to agree on this, it's not the way you do things. Yes the big 12 is stacked, but I have to ask, what are the conference's signature wins over other conferences? I'm genuinely asking, I don't know. PSU killed the OSU beavers who are atop the Pac 10, that's the best the big 10 can muster up.
Beanie Wells from Ohio State only had 55 against PSU, and he didn't play in sub-freezing temperatures and snow when he did it. Ringer did the barry sanders thing all year, inconsistent but amazing to watch when he broke through. I'm ok with his performance this season on the whole, he's still finishing in the top 5 of many rushing categories. Shonn Greene was clearly the best back in the nation this year, and even Ringer endorsed him last week before the game for Heisman.
When is the last time "The best Collage football athelte" won the Heisman?
It's been along time IMO. Garret Wolfe should of had it a few years back, but wasn't on a Championship cailber team. If he played for USC, Ohio State, or big SEC team, he would have had a much better chance.
Aaron
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 24, 2008, 10:09:34 AM
Baylor wasn't a pushover this year for....Oklahoma only hung 49 on them, and they are unranked.
Sorry, but any paragraph that starts with "such and such team was no pushover, all we could manage was a 32 point margin of victory over an unranked opponent" can't possibly be taken seriously.
Last year you whomped them 52 to 21, so it was actually a closer score last year.
The Heisman is cursed in my opinion. McFadden winning last year was a good thing, but his career will suck as long as he's with the Raiders.
Tebow is a solid winner. I think he's very capable of playing on Sundays. If Florida runs the table, his stock will be sky high. I'd make the jump to the pros if I was him.
~Brian
Quote from: Colorado700R on November 24, 2008, 10:13:40 AM
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 24, 2008, 10:00:25 AM
Nice pic...
Stoops pulls that shit with Baylor, he's just whoring it up for BCS computer poll points. He's done it all year to every opponent and he's been doing it for a few years now. Joe Pa and I tend to agree on this, it's not the way you do things. Yes the big 12 is stacked, but I have to ask, what are the conference's signature wins over other conferences? I'm genuinely asking, I don't know. PSU killed the OSU beavers who are atop the Pac 10, that's the best the big 10 can muster up.
Beanie Wells from Ohio State only had 55 against PSU, and he didn't play in sub-freezing temperatures and snow when he did it. Ringer did the barry sanders thing all year, inconsistent but amazing to watch when he broke through. I'm ok with his performance this season on the whole, he's still finishing in the top 5 of many rushing categories. Shonn Greene was clearly the best back in the nation this year, and even Ringer endorsed him last week before the game for Heisman.
When is the last time "The best Collage football athelte" won the Heisman?
It's been along time IMO. Garret Wolfe should of had it a few years back, but wasn't on a Championship cailber team. If he played for USC, Ohio State, or big SEC team, he would have had a much better chance.
Aaron
Very true. Consensus is some big 12 qb will get the honors, while there are some great SEC and Pac10 players too they haven't been many standouts. Tebow has been great, but not as impressive as last year and not good enough to win a 2nd. But I think it's important that they pay lip service to Greene, I don't think it's too much to ask.
Tebow is good......on a great team. I wonder how he would fair if he had Baylors offensive line, and recievers. He's a product of team strength, not individual skill like Wolfe was.
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 24, 2008, 10:14:58 AM
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 24, 2008, 10:09:34 AM
Baylor wasn't a pushover this year for....Oklahoma only hung 49 on them, and they are unranked.
Sorry, but any paragraph that starts with "such and such team was no pushover, all we could manage was a 32 point margin of victory over an unranked opponent" can't possibly be taken seriously.
Last year you whomped them 52 to 21, so it was actually a closer score last year.
Would you agree it's no different than Ohio State beating Illinois, Purdue or Michigan (All three of those conference teams finished under .500)?
~Brian
I don't think the Heisman winner will come out of the Big 12 if Tebow wins out. If Tebow looses against Alabama, his chances are greatly lower. McCoy and Bradford must perform well in the next two games and the quarterback that makes it to the Big 12 Championship must have a strong showing to win the Heisman.
~Brian
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 24, 2008, 10:36:09 AM
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 24, 2008, 10:14:58 AM
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 24, 2008, 10:09:34 AM
Baylor wasn't a pushover this year for....Oklahoma only hung 49 on them, and they are unranked.
Sorry, but any paragraph that starts with "such and such team was no pushover, all we could manage was a 32 point margin of victory over an unranked opponent" can't possibly be taken seriously.
Last year you whomped them 52 to 21, so it was actually a closer score last year.
Would you agree it's no different than Ohio State beating Illinois, Purdue or Michigan (All three of those conference teams finished under .500)?
~Brian
But those teams were pushovers this year.
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 24, 2008, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 24, 2008, 10:36:09 AM
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 24, 2008, 10:14:58 AM
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 24, 2008, 10:09:34 AM
Baylor wasn't a pushover this year for....Oklahoma only hung 49 on them, and they are unranked.
Sorry, but any paragraph that starts with "such and such team was no pushover, all we could manage was a 32 point margin of victory over an unranked opponent" can't possibly be taken seriously.
Last year you whomped them 52 to 21, so it was actually a closer score last year.
Would you agree it's no different than Ohio State beating Illinois, Purdue or Michigan (All three of those conference teams finished under .500)?
~Brian
But those teams were pushovers this year.
Supposedly, but Ohio State only blew out one of the three.
~Brian
What's going on in Columbus?
Any talk of which bowl the Buckeyes are headed to?
~Brian
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 24, 2008, 11:00:31 AM
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 24, 2008, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 24, 2008, 10:36:09 AM
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 24, 2008, 10:14:58 AM
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 24, 2008, 10:09:34 AM
Baylor wasn't a pushover this year for....Oklahoma only hung 49 on them, and they are unranked.
Sorry, but any paragraph that starts with "such and such team was no pushover, all we could manage was a 32 point margin of victory over an unranked opponent" can't possibly be taken seriously.
Last year you whomped them 52 to 21, so it was actually a closer score last year.
Would you agree it's no different than Ohio State beating Illinois, Purdue or Michigan (All three of those conference teams finished under .500)?
~Brian
But those teams were pushovers this year.
Supposedly, but Ohio State only blew out one of the three.
~Brian
OK...so how does that disprove that Stoops shows no class by running up the points on his opponents, pushovers or not?
OSU blew out one of the 3, OK has racked up huge scores on plenty of bad teams all year.
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 24, 2008, 11:37:16 AM
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 24, 2008, 11:00:31 AM
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 24, 2008, 10:52:37 AM
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 24, 2008, 10:36:09 AM
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 24, 2008, 10:14:58 AM
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 24, 2008, 10:09:34 AM
Baylor wasn't a pushover this year for....Oklahoma only hung 49 on them, and they are unranked.
Sorry, but any paragraph that starts with "such and such team was no pushover, all we could manage was a 32 point margin of victory over an unranked opponent" can't possibly be taken seriously.
Last year you whomped them 52 to 21, so it was actually a closer score last year.
Would you agree it's no different than Ohio State beating Illinois, Purdue or Michigan (All three of those conference teams finished under .500)?
~Brian
But those teams were pushovers this year.
Supposedly, but Ohio State only blew out one of the three.
~Brian
OK...so how does that disprove that Stoops shows no class by running up the points on his opponents, pushovers or not?
OSU blew out one of the 3, OK has racked up huge scores on plenty of bad teams all year.
Oklahoma didn't run up the score just on the bad teams......They also ran up the score on the good, nationally ranked teams with winning records too.
~Brian
I think if your going to be upset by any team running up any scores this weekend, you need to start with Florida vs Citadel ::)
ND plays the service acedemys becuase its tradition since ND was a Acedemy (Navy) during WWII. Why in Zeus' butthole did florida schedule them ??? I could understand for an early season tune up, but why now?
Aaron
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 24, 2008, 11:50:58 AM
Oklahoma didn't run up the score just on the bad teams......They also ran up the score on the good, nationally ranked teams with winning records too.
~Brian
Urban Meyer's not immune to it either, but Sam Bradford wasn't taken out of the game until he'd thrown a TD in the 4th quarter making the score 64-14. There was no reason Bradford needed to be in there at that point in the game.
Meyer on the other hand was letting defensive tackles run the ball in the 3rd quarter, not something you do if you're trying to eek out every last point.
I would have pulled Bradford in the third to mid third.
~Brian
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 24, 2008, 10:00:25 AM
Nice pic...
Stoops pulls that shit with Baylor, he's just whoring it up for BCS computer poll points. He's done it all year to every opponent and he's been doing it for a few years now.
That's a bullshit statement. Look at the 3rd and 4th quarter stats for OU. They drop way down in 3rd and really really down in points in the 4th. Stoops got bitched at a few years back for running up the score and has since tried to stop. Why in the hell would he throw in his complete 2nd string to finish the game, almost evry game? Click on the scores of the games and it'll show you. Here http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=201 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=201) What would you have them do, not come back at halftime? Stoops is an extremely classy guy. He always gives credit where credit is due, praises his team and fans, shows respect, never looses his cool, and always has something positive to say about his opponent before and after the game. :bird:
I have looked at the scores, case in point the score I posted for last year's baylor game. Bradford wasn't taken out of last saturday's game until the lead was more than 50 points. He's routinely been in late in the 3rd quarter this season despite scoring more than 50 points in most of the games, never within fewer than 3-4 td of the opponent in those games.
Now if you want bullshit we can always discuss the Cincinnati game.
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 24, 2008, 09:17:09 PM
I have looked at the scores, case in point the score I posted for last year's baylor game. Bradford wasn't taken out of last saturday's game until the lead was more than 50 points. He's routinely been in late in the 3rd quarter this season despite scoring more than 50 points in most of the games, never within fewer than 3-4 td of the opponent in those games.
Now if you want bullshit we can always discuss the Cincinnati game.
Stoops has pulled Bradford in the second quarter against Chattanooga, third quarter against Washington, third quarter against TCU, begining of the fourth quarter at Baylor, end of the third quarter against Nebraska, end of the third quarter against Texas A&M, and mid fourth against Texas Tech.
Tressell played Pryor into the fourth quarter against Youngstown State, Michigan State, and Northwestern. Tressell pulled Pryor during the Michigan game in the fourth quarter.
Florida coach Meyer played three quarterbacks against Hawaii, pulled Tebow in the third against Kentucky, early in the fourth against Georgia, late third quarter against Vanderbilt, early fourth quarter against South Carolina, and early in the fourth against Citadel.
If you are comparing Stoops to Meyer, Florida has outscored opponents 511-132 through 11 games with two games to go (Includes SEC Championship game). That's a 34 point average margin of victory. Oklahoma has outscored opponents 579-257 this year with one game to go. That's only a 29 point margin of victory per opponent. Bradford has been pulled seven times total, five times in the third quarter alone due to lopsided victories. Tressell has left the starter in much longer than Stoops and Meyer has, probably because Ohio State has only outscored opponents 338-157, which is a 15 point margin of victory.
~Brian
Tressel has left the starter in because he's TRUE FRESHMAN and the former backup quarterback, for whom Tressel dramatically scaled down the offensive playbook to put in the game. He's only been allowed to make a real pass the last 3 weeks. Bradford isn't in need of experience nor does he need to build confidence going against a defense that's obviously not up to the task. I don't even know who the heck backs Pryor up, I assume Boeckman is the backup and he's a 5th year senior who doesn't need any additional touches in the last game of the regular season.
I'm not sitting here saying that OSU is a better team or that their offense is more potent. The 15 point margin of victory (approximately half of OK's) actually helps me make the point that Stoops runs up the scores unnecessarily. And the proof that Pryor needs the practice is in the low margins of victory, obviously he's not yet able to run big enough scores up to allow a backup qb to come in....plus he still needs the touches as true freshman.
And the only reason Urban Meyer got brought up was because Aaron mentioned their game against Citadel, and I made the point that while Meyer isn't exactly a saint either he was rotating in a defensive player that wasn't even on the depth chart at running back so IMO he wasn't as bad as Stoops was in the TT game.
So Oklahoma and Florida are both guilty of scoring lots of points?
I think there are some cases where I would have pulled starters earlier to keep them from getting injured, but even pulling the starters Oklahoma still puts points on the board regardless. When you hang half a hundred by the half, who's to blame? The coaching staff? The players executing the play?
Oklahoma will rotate a few starters in and out on offense, mainly recievers. Last week, five touchdowns were scored on the ground running the ball. Three of Oklahoma's recievers only caught one pass each, and all three took them to the house by run after catch.
Johnson, one catch, 66 yards, TD.
Iglesias one catch, 28 yards TD.
Broyles, one catch 28 yards TD.
Gresham (tight end) had 5 catches for 95 yards an a TD.
Murray (RB) came out of the backfield for 4 catches. On those for he totalled 71 yards. He had an additional 125 yards on 18 carries, two TD's.
Brown (RB) had 108 yards on 21 carries, 3 TD's
Texas Tech's Harrell was 33-55, 361 yards, 3 TD's and an INT.
OU's Bradford was only 14-19, 304 yards, 4 TD's.
Sounds like Oklahoma isn't guilty of running the score up, they were just more efficient with the ball.
~Brian
Of course they're more efficient with the ball, especially when the starters stay in so long. If there were more backups in the game then the efficiency would drop but OK would still win handsomely. With the efficiency OK has they shouldn't need their starting QB in the game in the 4th quarter.
Go Georgia
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 25, 2008, 11:54:11 AM
Of course they're more efficient with the ball, especially when the starters stay in so long. If there were more backups in the game then the efficiency would drop but OK would still win handsomely. With the efficiency OK has they shouldn't need their starting QB in the game in the 4th quarter.
More efficient because they leave their starters in longer? Ha! Ha!
Riddle me this: How many times has Tressell pulled starters at the half or in the third quarter this year because of their efficiency?
Stoops has pulled Bradford and 70-75% (includes offensive lineman) of the rest of the starting offense and 60% of the starting defense in most of the lopsided games (6 games). I know for a fact Bradford has been pulled seven times total, and five times before the third quarter has expired and three times at halftime. OU subs recievers in with the plays and usually you'll see three starters in with the second team offense, and three to five starters in on defense.
Tressell is guilty as well, but this year he didn't have the luxury of pulling starters due to the number of close games Ohio State had due to lack of offense. Wells was a big part of their offense, and when he was out it really hurt them. I don't have an issue with teams leaving starters on the field when there is a big lead, as long as it's not the whole crew.
~Brian
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 24, 2008, 09:17:09 PM
Now if you want bullshit we can always discuss the Cincinnati game.
I can't really comment on that one. I didn't watch it. All I have is the stats and highlites. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=282500201 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=282500201)
Quote from: Flynbyu on November 25, 2008, 03:33:40 PM
Quote from: Mad Dog on November 25, 2008, 11:54:11 AM
Of course they're more efficient with the ball, especially when the starters stay in so long. If there were more backups in the game then the efficiency would drop but OK would still win handsomely. With the efficiency OK has they shouldn't need their starting QB in the game in the 4th quarter.
More efficient because they leave their starters in longer? Ha! Ha!
Riddle me this: How many times has Tressell pulled starters at the half or in the third quarter this year because of their efficiency?
Stoops has pulled Bradford and 70-75% (includes offensive lineman) of the rest of the starting offense and 60% of the starting defense in most of the lopsided games (6 games). I know for a fact Bradford has been pulled seven times total, and five times before the third quarter has expired and three times at halftime. OU subs recievers in with the plays and usually you'll see three starters in with the second team offense, and three to five starters in on defense.
Tressell is guilty as well, but this year he didn't have the luxury of pulling starters due to the number of close games Ohio State had due to lack of offense. Wells was a big part of their offense, and when he was out it really hurt them. I don't have an issue with teams leaving starters on the field when there is a big lead, as long as it's not the whole crew.
~Brian
Walk with me here Brian;
Starting players are, on average, more efficient than their backups. This is part of the reason they are the starters.
That means a given team's offense is more efficient with starters than with backups.
So, the overall efficiency of any team's offense will be greater for every unit of time that the starters are in vs if the backups were in.
But since OK's efficiency appears to be much greater than the ability of their opponents then OK could stand to pull some of the starters a little faster. The point being that since the starters are so efficient they should be able to rotate out a little more often without endangering the outcome of the game.
Brian I think OK's coach has repeatedly shown what I deem to be less than admirable (read poor) sportsmanship by routinely positioning OK to run up scores on teams of every caliber to improve the team's BCS computer averages. I don't really care if you agree because it's pretty clear to me.
I'm still not sure what this has to do with Tressell, or even what that first question about him was. I didn't have a problem with Tressell leaving a true freshman QB in, I didn't see the justification for Stoops leaving Bradford in last week. If you're trying to hurt or embarrass me by bringing up OSU let me be the first to say that they haven't been a good team this year (especially the first 3/4 of the season) and don't have the talent in place/developed to play at the same kind of offensive level that Big 12 teams have shown this season. After all they've only racked up 40 pts or more 4 times, where as OK has 4 60pt games in a row.
QuoteStarting players are, on average, more efficient than their backups. This is part of the reason they are the starters.
That means a given team's offense is more efficient with starters than with backups.
So, the overall efficiency of any team's offense will be greater for every unit of time that the starters are in vs if the backups were in.
True
QuoteBut since OK's efficiency appears to be much greater than the ability of their opponents then OK could stand to pull some of the starters a little faster. The point being that since the starters are so efficient they should be able to rotate out a little more often without endangering the outcome of the game.
They do... every game they play. Name 5 teams that play their 2nd string as much as Stoops does? Would it be better for you if they started playing 2nd and 3rd string by halftime?
QuoteBrian I think OK's coach has repeatedly shown what I deem to be less than admirable (read poor) sportsmanship by routinely positioning OK to run up scores on teams of every caliber to improve the team's BCS computer averages. I don't really care if you agree because it's pretty clear to me.
I know its your opinion, but what a bullshit statement. Nothing is further from the truth.
Quote from: 4gunz4x4z on November 30, 2008, 11:04:55 PM
QuoteBut since OK's efficiency appears to be much greater than the ability of their opponents then OK could stand to pull some of the starters a little faster. The point being that since the starters are so efficient they should be able to rotate out a little more often without endangering the outcome of the game.
They do... every game they play. Name 5 teams that play their 2nd string as much as Stoops does? Would it be better for you if they started playing 2nd and 3rd string by halftime?
I didn't say Stoops didn't play them, but seeing Bradford throwing TD passes in the 4th quarter of the TT game tells me Stoops could pull him more often. And of course they're going to play their backups more than most teams, they typically win by huge margins which should allow them to put other players in.
Quote from: 4gunz4x4z on November 30, 2008, 11:04:55 PM
QuoteBrian I think OK's coach has repeatedly shown what I deem to be less than admirable (read poor) sportsmanship by routinely positioning OK to run up scores on teams of every caliber to improve the team's BCS computer averages. I don't really care if you agree because it's pretty clear to me.
I know its your opinion, but what a bullshit statement. Nothing is further from the truth.
Since you seem to keep telling me to take a look at ESPN's website, perhaps you have already seen this quote from Stoops following last week's game when he was asked about how he would fare in the BCS:
Quote"I think we have a really good chance," Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops said. "You look at what we've done the last two weeks. We've played the No. 2 team in the country and won by 44. We just played the [No. 12] team in the country in their own place, where no one else has beat them, and won by 20.
"Usually it's what you're doing at the end of the year, and we have finished the year really pretty strong."
I don't think Stoops ran up the score on OK St, he was just trying to pull out the win. But to think he's wasn't running up the score in the TT game is a laugh, especially with how proud he seems to be of it and how much significance he and the BCS computers put on margins of victory.
Quote"But since OK's efficiency appears to be much greater than the ability of their opponents then OK could stand to pull some of the starters a little faster. The point being that since the starters are so efficient they should be able to rotate out a little more often without endangering the outcome of the game."
As I said in a previous post, Stoops has pulled Bradford seven times this season. I would like to see evidence of any other program that has pulled their starter
seven times before the end of the game, five times before the third quarter has expired and three times at halftime this year. If you can show me any team in the nation or in the same division that has pulled their starters more than that, then I'll consider your complaint valid.
I don't know why you are so critical of Stoops pulling starters. That's why I made reference to Tressell not pulling his starters. Tressell had a four blowouts and didn't pull starters, at the half, or third quarter. So why aren't you critical of Ohio State's program? Because you pull for them?
Oh, and what's with Ohio State declaring themselves Big Ten champions?
http://www.ebuckeye.com/COLLEGE_Ohio_State_Buckeyes/browse/source/overture-ohio-state-big-10-champs-football-rose-bowl
I thought Penn State was the Big Ten Champion since they will be headed to the Rose Bowl to face USC.
~Brian
Quote from: Flynbyu on December 01, 2008, 08:12:24 AM
Quote"But since OK's efficiency appears to be much greater than the ability of their opponents then OK could stand to pull some of the starters a little faster. The point being that since the starters are so efficient they should be able to rotate out a little more often without endangering the outcome of the game."
As I said in a previous post, Stoops has pulled Bradford seven times this season. I would like to see evidence of any other program that has pulled their starter seven times before the end of the game, five times before the third quarter has expired and three times at halftime this year. If you can show me any team in the nation or in the same division that has pulled their starters more than that, then I'll consider your complaint valid.
I don't know why you are so critical of Stoops pulling starters. That's why I made reference to Tressell not pulling his starters. Tressell had a four blowouts and didn't pull starters, at the half, or third quarter. So why aren't you critical of Ohio State's program? Because you pull for them?
Oh, and what's with Ohio State declaring themselves Big Ten champions?
http://www.ebuckeye.com/COLLEGE_Ohio_State_Buckeyes/browse/source/overture-ohio-state-big-10-champs-football-rose-bowl
I thought Penn State was the Big Ten Champion since they will be headed to the Rose Bowl to face USC.
~Brian
You want to go down the OSU road here we go. Below are the 4 blowouts;
1st: 43-0 vs youngstown state - first game of the season against a I-AA opponent. Kicker scores 16 of the points and OSU pulls the starting quarterback in the 3rd quarter, inserting a true freshman. It was a beating against an FCS school, it's what they're there for and Tressell put in the backups.
2nd: 45-7 at Michigan State - OSU did not score an offensive touchdown in the 2nd half, both TD came from the defense and there was one field goal in the fourth quarter. Pryor stayed in but only 2 passes in the second half (both incomplete). Obviously with only 2 attempts in 30 minutes of football Tressell was not trying to use the passing game to rack up the score.
3rd: 45-10 at Northwestern - This is the game Tressell got criticized in the press about which I referenced earlier in our discussion. Tressell didn't need to pull the fake punt for a first down and he rightly got flak for it. But the starting QB and RB were still pulled out in the 4th quarter and the score in the 3rd quarter was 24-10, not exactly an insurmountable lead.
4th: 42-7 vs Michigan - Starting quarterback throws 5 completions and scores 2 TD. Backup quarterback (a 5th year senior) comes in and throws a TD in the 4th quarter. The #2 running back scores 2 of the 4 TD and #1 and #2 RB are pulled in the 4th quarter. They even threw in one back at the end who got his first carry of the season.
OSU has also put in the backup QB 7 times this season, over the course of 12 games. The starting OSU QB in those 4 games had 19 attempts or fewer, Bradford's fewest attempts all season came against TT, where he was still throwing TD passes in the 4th quarter.
So OSU is less efficient and less flashy in their scoring but have still managed to replace their starting QB before the end of the game as many times as Oklahoma, who has routinely decimated their opponents well before the 4th quarter. Combine that with the margins of victory in the game and Stoops' comments about the BCS and that's why he deserves more flak than Tressell on the subject.
OSU has a share of the Big 10 championship this year because of their record which is equal in the conference with Penn State. The tie breaker structure for BCS bowls does not apply to conference championships.
http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112408aad.html
I think all of this is still the nature of the beasts when you have the Bullshit Championship Series (BCS). When you get "Style" points, and leave it to a popularity system, the ethics of the game are subjective to the goals of the program.
Aaron
good thing I'm not a football coach, I'd run the scores up and be like.. "BOOOOOOOOM SUCKAS!!!!"
Quote from: Krandall on December 01, 2008, 10:10:12 AM
good thing I'm not a football coach, I'd run the scores up and be like.. "BOOOOOOOOM SUCKAS!!!!"
+1
I used to coach jr high soccer. Every game we would do that. F**K being sweet and nice. It is a contest!
I would send them out and have them try to get certain types of goals. :lol:
QuoteSo OSU is less efficient and less flashy in their scoring but have still managed to replace their starting QB before the end of the game as many times as Oklahoma, who has routinely decimated their opponents well before the 4th quarter. Combine that with the margins of victory in the game and Stoops' comments about the BCS and that's why he deserves more flak than Tressell on the subject.
How could the starting quarterback of Ohio State been pulled more than OU's Bradford if Ohio State only had four blowouts?
???
Last time I checked, 7 was a larger number than 4.
QuoteOSU has a share of the Big 10 championship this year because of their record which is equal in the conference with Penn State. The tie breaker structure for BCS bowls does not apply to conference championships.
Share a championship?
Does Ohio State get one of these to carry off the field too?
(http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/psu/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/2532091.jpeg)
~Brian
Quote from: Flynbyu on December 01, 2008, 10:34:51 AM
QuoteSo OSU is less efficient and less flashy in their scoring but have still managed to replace their starting QB before the end of the game as many times as Oklahoma, who has routinely decimated their opponents well before the 4th quarter. Combine that with the margins of victory in the game and Stoops' comments about the BCS and that's why he deserves more flak than Tressell on the subject.
How could the starting quarterback of Ohio State been pulled more than OU's Bradford if Ohio State only had four blowouts?
???
Last time I checked, 7 was a larger number than 4.
Because OSU pulls the starter in games other than 30+ point blowouts and still manages to win those games. Something Stoops apparently isn't comfortable with. OSU has pulled the starting QB in 7 of 12 games this year, equal to your claim.
Quote from: Flynbyu on December 01, 2008, 10:34:51 AM
QuoteOSU has a share of the Big 10 championship this year because of their record which is equal in the conference with Penn State. The tie breaker structure for BCS bowls does not apply to conference championships.
Share a championship?
Does Ohio State get one of these to carry off the field too?
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~Brian
Yep, they do. It's the way the Big 10 has always done it and it's not going to change. Those of us here don't like it but it is what it is.
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Quote from: Mad Dog on December 01, 2008, 10:44:51 AM
Quote from: Flynbyu on December 01, 2008, 10:34:51 AM
QuoteSo OSU is less efficient and less flashy in their scoring but have still managed to replace their starting QB before the end of the game as many times as Oklahoma, who has routinely decimated their opponents well before the 4th quarter. Combine that with the margins of victory in the game and Stoops' comments about the BCS and that's why he deserves more flak than Tressell on the subject.
How could the starting quarterback of Ohio State been pulled more than OU's Bradford if Ohio State only had four blowouts?
???
Last time I checked, 7 was a larger number than 4.
Because OSU pulls the starter in games other than 30+ point blowouts and still manages to win those games. Something Stoops apparently isn't comfortable with. OSU has pulled the starting QB in 7 of 12 games this year, equal to your claim.
Quote from: Flynbyu on December 01, 2008, 10:34:51 AM
QuoteOSU has a share of the Big 10 championship this year because of their record which is equal in the conference with Penn State. The tie breaker structure for BCS bowls does not apply to conference championships.
Share a championship?
Does Ohio State get one of these to carry off the field too?
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~Brian
Yep, they do. It's the way the Big 10 has always done it and it's not going to change. Those of us here don't like it but it is what it is.
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7 of 12 games?
I only counted 4.
~Brian
Quote from: Flynbyu on December 01, 2008, 10:49:02 AM
7 of 12 games?
I only counted 4.
~Brian
You only counted the blowouts, I counted the number of games this season that Tressell has put in a backup quarter back, 7 of 12 games.
Quote from: Mad Dog on December 01, 2008, 10:56:11 AM
Quote from: Flynbyu on December 01, 2008, 10:49:02 AM
7 of 12 games?
I only counted 4.
~Brian
You only counted the blowouts, I counted the number of games this season that Tressell has put in a backup quarter back, 7 of 12 games.
Maybe Tressell should have left them in, but I guess he's happy with mediocity.
~Brian
Quote from: Flynbyu on December 01, 2008, 11:00:30 AM
Quote from: Mad Dog on December 01, 2008, 10:56:11 AM
Quote from: Flynbyu on December 01, 2008, 10:49:02 AM
7 of 12 games?
I only counted 4.
~Brian
You only counted the blowouts, I counted the number of games this season that Tressell has put in a backup quarter back, 7 of 12 games.
Maybe Tressell should have left them in, but I guess he's happy with mediocity.
~Brian
A win is a win, you and Stoops seem to be the ones that aren't happy unless it's by a 35 point margin.
The USC loss they let the backup in because it was a lost cause. They left Pryor in the Penn State game and he arguably gave the game away with a fumble.
10-2 isn't mediocrity. Not great, but not mediocrity.
Quote from: Mad Dog on December 01, 2008, 11:05:43 AM
Quote from: Flynbyu on December 01, 2008, 11:00:30 AM
Quote from: Mad Dog on December 01, 2008, 10:56:11 AM
Quote from: Flynbyu on December 01, 2008, 10:49:02 AM
7 of 12 games?
I only counted 4.
~Brian
You only counted the blowouts, I counted the number of games this season that Tressell has put in a backup quarter back, 7 of 12 games.
Maybe Tressell should have left them in, but I guess he's happy with mediocity.
~Brian
A win is a win, you and Stoops seem to be the ones that aren't happy unless it's by a 35 point margin.
The USC loss they let the backup in because it was a lost cause. They left Pryor in the Penn State game and he arguably gave the game away with a fumble.
10-2 isn't mediocrity. Not great, but not mediocrity.
10-2 isn't mediocre, but being able to out points on the board is.
Margin of victory wins games. You put the game away early, and the team gives up. It's up to the coach to motivate the team. The team moves at the speed of their leader.
~Brian
Yes I will certainly agree that big leads are disheartening, but I have to believe that a 35-7 lead does pretty much the same job that a 49-7 lead does in the 4th quarter.
Oklahoma scores an amazing number of points week after week, but if you're giving up 35 points to Kansas State maybe a 3 TD lead isn't enough for them.
Flynbyu and MadDog...are you two sure you are not married? What a couple of Arguing mutherf**kers you are! :lol:
We aren't arguing.
We're having a civilized discussion.
~Brian
Quote from: Flynbyu on December 01, 2008, 11:50:06 AM
We aren't arguing.
We're having a civilized discussion.
~Brian
Gotcha :thumbs:
Quote from: Flynbyu on December 01, 2008, 11:50:06 AM
We aren't arguing.
We're having a civilized discussion.
~Brian
Take the 20 penny nails out of that Brutus voodoo doll, and I'll believe you :lol:
I'd love to see them on the schedule next year.
~Brian
Quote from: Flynbyu on December 01, 2008, 12:14:58 PM
I'd love to see them on the schedule next year.
~Brian
The Buckeyes are optimistic about the potential of the offense with Pryor at the helm, I don't think they'll be on par offensively with OK but they probably will be the cream of the big 10 offensive crop next year.
I'd rather see OSU win a mid-level bowl game against a worthy opponent first before I'd look forward to a matchup with OK. I harbor no illusions that any of the Big 10 teams are good enough to beat the Sooners this season, but neither do I believe Stoops has a Nat'l championship wrapped up. Stoops is 4/9 in OK bowl games, and both he and Tressel (4/7 w/OSU) have lost 2 consecutive NC games.
Neither OK or OSU has a great bowl record the past few years.
Any word on which bowl they are headed to?
I'm looking forward to watching 'Bama and Florida this weekend.
~Brian
I'm guessing OSU at the Fiesta Bowl and Michigan State at the Capital One Bowl.
Not bad bowls.
Fiesta would be sweet. Nice weather for a couple of weeks.
~Brian
This weekend is going to be a crazy one for the BCS.
Yes it will be.
I'm thinking Ohio State may get the looser of the 'Bama-Florida game.
~Brian
I can see that happening, it looks like MSU is going to end up with Georgia...that could be bad. :'( ;)
I'm looking forward to watching 'Bama and Florida this weekend.
~Brian
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That Iron Bowl was awesome. Roll Tide. :thumbs:
Quote from: Mad Dog on December 01, 2008, 03:57:42 PM
I can see that happening, it looks like MSU is going to end up with Georgia...that could be bad. :'( ;)
Georgia is a great team, and has SPEED.
Georgia was my preseason pick to take it to the house, but they have looked vulnerable several times this season. Especially against a 5-7 Auburn and 7-5 South Carolina team.
~Brian
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I'm looking forward to watching 'Bama and Florida this weekend.
~Brian
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That Iron Bowl was awesome. Roll Tide. :thumbs:
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ROOOOOOLL TIDE!
~Brian
Boing. I have fond memories of Tuscaloosa. :thumbs:
Nothing like a southern accent.
~Brian
QuoteBecause OSU pulls the starter in games other than 30+ point blowouts and still manages to win those games. Something Stoops apparently isn't comfortable with. OSU has pulled the starting QB in 7 of 12 games this year, equal to your claim.
When Stoops puts in 2nd string, they continue to score. You act like even if he pulls 1st string they have some voodoo magic that makes everyone think that 1st string is playing and still scoring. Is there 5 teams that pull their 1st strings as much as Stoops? USC(Wash State 69-0 thats classy right)? Alabama (Wilson stayed in the whole game against Auburn right, where's the "true freshman)? Florida( Citadel 70-19 with Brantley playing, maybe their copying Stoops... and running up the score)? Texas (WTF 49-9 against A&M scoring more in the 2nd half with McCoy in the whole game except 2 downs, give me a break)? Who? I wish for once Stoops would just say f**k it and really run up the score, put up 80-100+ up there. Then you might have a valid complaint.
Yes the 2nd string for OK does a great job, even more reason why they should be in more often.
I'm not trying to compare Stoops to others (except Tressel who Brian and I discussed) and I'm not by any means saying that Oklahoma is the only program with huge margins of victory. Aaron brought up Meyer and Florida in the Citadel game but I explained that he was putting in some players far from the first string (even one not on the roster) which shows Meyer wasn't trying to extract every viable point out of the game. Citadel isn't anywhere near Florida in terms of talent or ability, just like Washington doesn't compare to Oklahoma. Large margins of victory aren't a surprise in those games, but the Big 12 perception of a larger margin of victory isn't the same as us fellas in the Midwest, even those running the Spread like Penn State. Scoring 40 points is huge here, someone scoring 60 is unreal. Especially when the margin of victory is 5 TD's or so.
The beauty of sports is that there is more than one opinion, that's why there is always debate. I don't have a problem with someone disagreeing with my assessment, but don't expect that I'll agree with yours either.
Quote from: Mad Dog on December 01, 2008, 08:03:01 PM
Yes the 2nd string for OK does a great job, even more reason why they should be in more often.
I'm not trying to compare Stoops to others (except Tressel who Brian and I discussed) and I'm not by any means saying that Oklahoma is the only program with huge margins of victory. Aaron brought up Meyer and Florida in the Citadel game but I explained that he was putting in some players far from the first string (even one not on the roster) which shows Meyer wasn't trying to extract every viable point out of the game. Citadel isn't anywhere near Florida in terms of talent or ability, just like Washington doesn't compare to Oklahoma. Large margins of victory aren't a surprise in those games, but the Big 12 perception of a larger margin of victory isn't the same as us fellas in the Midwest, even those running the Spread like Penn State. Scoring 40 points is huge here, someone scoring 60 is unreal. Especially when the margin of victory is 5 TD's or so.
The beauty of sports is that there is more than one opinion, that's why there is always debate. I don't have a problem with someone disagreeing with my assessment, but don't expect that I'll agree with yours either.
Speaking politics, WTF is up with Obama taking a stab at the BCS. Talks of him stepping in to try and "fix it". First word that came to mind was Dictator. What business does a president have in a college football season. Holy $hit. Brian your thoughts please.
4grammer4x4z
Quote from: 4gunz4x4z on December 01, 2008, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Mad Dog on December 01, 2008, 08:03:01 PM
Yes the 2nd string for OK does a great job, even more reason why they should be in more often.
I'm not trying to compare Stoops to others (except Tressel who Brian and I discussed) and I'm not by any means saying that Oklahoma is the only program with huge margins of victory. Aaron brought up Meyer and Florida in the Citadel game but I explained that he was putting in some players far from the first string (even one not on the roster) which shows Meyer wasn't trying to extract every viable point out of the game. Citadel isn't anywhere near Florida in terms of talent or ability, just like Washington doesn't compare to Oklahoma. Large margins of victory aren't a surprise in those games, but the Big 12 perception of a larger margin of victory isn't the same as us fellas in the Midwest, even those running the Spread like Penn State. Scoring 40 points is huge here, someone scoring 60 is unreal. Especially when the margin of victory is 5 TD's or so.
The beauty of sports is that there is more than one opinion, that's why there is always debate. I don't have a problem with someone disagreeing with my assessment, but don't expect that I'll agree with yours either.
Speaking politics, WTF is up with Obama taking a stab at the BCS. Talks of him stepping in to try and "fix it". First word that came to mind was Dictator. What business does a president have in a college football season. Holy $hit. Brian your thoughts please.
4grammer4x4z
Yeah that's a big WTF there. That sounds like stretched story if you ask me. Dude's got a few other "minor" problems to deal with before worrying about college friggin' football. :lol: I think the politics/football topic should be left alone now really. Makes no sense.
Obama made a statement as a fan of college football. Just like you and I would make. I think there needs to be a playoff system in college football. I doubt seriously Obama would appoint a congressional hearing to fix college football.
I would like to see a playoff system in college football, much like the NFL's system. Divide it into north, south, east, and west divisions. The only negative is that that would extend the college season to 16-17 games, and I doubt it will ever happen.
~Brian
That is what I figured. stretched the story. :confused:
For the most part I prefer the BCS, I hate the idea of a 16 or 8 team playoff. College season doesn't need to be that long, football already extends too far into the new year as it is.
Quote from: Mad Dog on December 02, 2008, 12:15:56 PM
For the most part I prefer the BCS, I hate the idea of a 16 or 8 team playoff. College season doesn't need to be that long, football already extends too far into the new year as it is.
And baseball doesn't?
:lol:
~Brian
go georgia. :help:
Quote from: Krandall on December 02, 2008, 12:20:48 PM
go georgia. :help:
Georgia vs. Michigan State is a possibility!
~Brian
go UCLA
go Floriduh
Whats up with the female reporter talking to the winning headcoach on the field at the end of eeeeevery single game?
Quote from: 4gunz4x4z on December 06, 2008, 05:53:51 PM
Whats up with the female reporter talking to the winning headcoach on the field at the end of eeeeevery single game?
Female sideline reporters are a staple of college and pro football, they're nice to look at so producers think it'll somehow increase their ratings.
Florida looked good today, VT played a nice game as well. Big news to see 2 undefeateds going down in championship play; 'bama and ball state.
OK's defense is really mixing it up and the offense came out slow but the last drive looked like they were back in charge.
OSU vs Texas..... Go Ohio!
Big 10 has marquee matchups now with the Pac 10 (Rose), Big 12 (Fiesta) and SEC (Outback) and some lower level games against all three. If the Big 10 wants to be taken seriously again, this is the opportunity. I just hope they can rise to the challenge because it's not going to be easy.
Quote from: 4gunz4x4z on December 07, 2008, 08:51:46 PM
OSU vs Texas..... Go Ohio!
They better bring their A game. Texas will be pissed, and has a point to prove.
~Brian
Quote from: Flynbyu on December 08, 2008, 05:49:32 AM
Quote from: 4gunz4x4z on December 07, 2008, 08:51:46 PM
OSU vs Texas..... Go Ohio!
They better bring their A game. Texas will be pissed, and has a point to prove.
~Brian
Ohio doesn't really stand a chance, but it would be funny as hell to see Texas get whooped by Ohio though. :D
BCS DECLARES GERMANY WINNER OF WORLD WAR II
US Ranked 4th
After determining the Big-12 championship game participants, the BCS computers were put to work on other major contests and today the BCS declared Germany to be the winner of World War II.
"Germany put together an incredible number of victories beginning with the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland and continuing on into conference play with defeats of Poland, France, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium and the Netherlands. Their only losses came against the US and Russia; however considering their entire body of work--including an incredibly tough Strength of Schedule--our computers deemed them worthy of the #1 ranking."
Questioned about the #4 ranking of the United States the BCS commissioner stated "The US only had two major victories--Japan and Germany. The computer models, unlike humans, aren't influenced by head-to-head contests--they consider each contest to be only a single, equally-weighted event."
German Chancellor Adolph Hitler said "Yes, we lost to the US; but we defeated
#2 ranked France in only 6 weeks." Herr Hitler has been criticized for seeking dramatic victories to earn 'style points' to enhance Germany's rankings. Hitler protested "Our contest with Poland was in doubt until the final day and the conditions in Norway were incredibly challenging and demanded the application of additional forces."
The French ranking has also come under scrutiny. The BCS commented "
France had a single loss against Germany and following a preseason #1 ranking they only fell to #2."
Japan was ranked #3 with victories including Manchuria, Borneo and the Philippines.
Where did you find that?
:lol:
~Brian
I got as an Email from a U of T fan :rofl:
So Brian........
I think I figured out Tressels defensive play calling methodology...
I think he's using Techmo Bowl :lol:
"Dude, you should used the Prevent" <After the UT touchdown>
:rofl:
It was the sweater vest.
C'mon. Do you need to wear a sweater vest in ARIZONA?
That's probably the best game Ohio State played all year, and the second worst game Texas played. Hats off to Ohio State for coming in prepared to play. They just gave up big plays at the end and Texas got a great spot on the fourth down play.
~Brian
I don't know how much longer they'll keep him around now. He's a great coach, but the bottomline is they haven't got it done in quite awhile. OSU has more pride in there football team than any school I've ever seen, but they also refuse to suffer mediocrity. And especially since they spend the most $$ on sports than any other school in the NCAA.
Aaron
The Big Ten is lacking in the spread type offense. There's not a team in the Big Ten that runs a fast paced offense like teams in the Pac-10, SEC, Big East, ACC, Big-12, WAC, etc..
~Brian
They have a traditional mindset, ground and pound. I really wish there was a way to get these teams to play more non-confrence games. that way they'd get exp[osed to diffrent styles more often, and not be rooted in style of there confrence. If they could, I think College football would be better off.
who won our wager? ???
go georgia : :help:
Quote from: Colorado700R on January 07, 2009, 10:38:05 AM
They have a traditional mindset, ground and pound. I really wish there was a way to get these teams to play more non-confrence games. that way they'd get exp[osed to diffrent styles more often, and not be rooted in style of there confrence. If they could, I think College football would be better off.
They got exposed when they played outside of their confrence for the last four years.
We were talking about a playoff system yesterday since someone in Utah is suing the BCS since UTah is 13-0 and has no shot at a title.
In fairness, my theory: Force independent schools to join a conference to equal schools to at least a 12 school conference. Play everone in your conference. In the event of a tie, the tie breaker is the AP and Coaches Poll average. Conference champion goes to playoff bracket. WAC, SunBelt, ACC, Big East, Big Ten, SEC, Big 12, and Pac-10 enter a bracket, winner advances. This wouldn't prolong the season much longer. Winner plays on New Years Day or second week of New Year.
~Brian
Quote from: Krandall on January 07, 2009, 11:00:26 AM
who won our wager? ???
go georgia : :help:
If no one picked Florida, I did.
~Brian
I say if OU gets ass raped by more than 14 points no one wins :lol:
Quote from: Flynbyu on January 07, 2009, 11:00:38 AM
Quote from: Colorado700R on January 07, 2009, 10:38:05 AM
They have a traditional mindset, ground and pound. I really wish there was a way to get these teams to play more non-confrence games. that way they'd get exp[osed to diffrent styles more often, and not be rooted in style of there confrence. If they could, I think College football would be better off.
They got exposed when they played outside of their confrence for the last four years.
We were talking about a playoff system yesterday since someone in Utah is suing the BCS since UTah is 13-0 and has no shot at a title.
In fairness, my theory: Force independent schools to join a conference to equal schools to at least a 12 school conference. Play everone in your conference. In the event of a tie, the tie breaker is the AP and Coaches Poll average. Conference champion goes to playoff bracket. WAC, SunBelt, ACC, Big East, Big Ten, SEC, Big 12, and Pac-10 enter a bracket, winner advances. This wouldn't prolong the season much longer. Winner plays on New Years Day or second week of New Year.
~Brian
vert similar to my concept, except for the forcing to confrences. I think the confrences need to broke down smaller so teams have more schedule time out of confrence. more like the NFL, but I would say 6-8 teams max with a 12 or 13 game season
If I did win, I donate the proceeds to the beer/pizza fund the next time we all get together.
~Brian
:nana:
You gonna make it to LS this year douche bag?
Some gifts people give are pointless: Styling mousse to Dick Vitale. An all-you-can-eat card to Kate Moss. The BCS Championship given to Oklahoma or Florida.
It means nothing because the BCS has no credibility. Florida? Oklahoma? Who cares? Utah is the national champion.
The End. Roll credits.
Argue with this, please. I beg you. Find me anybody else that went undefeated. Thirteen-and-zero. Beat four ranked teams. Went to the Deep South and seal-clubbed Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. The same Alabama that was ranked No. 1 for five weeks. The same Alabama that went undefeated in the regular season. The same Alabama that Florida beat in order to get INTO the BCS Championship game in the first place.
FIND ME ANYBODY ELSE THAT WENT UNDEFEATED. THIRTEEN-AND-ZERO. BEAT FOUR RANKED TEAMS. WENT TO THE DEEP SOUTH AND SEAL-CLUBBED ALABAMA IN THE SUGAR BOWL. :rofl: :rofl:
Yeah, that's how it is now in the shameful, money-grubbing world of college football. If you're Florida and you beat Alabama, you get a seat in the title game. If you're Utah, you get a seat on your sofa.
Hey, remind me: What do they give out for one of those BCS things anyway? It's been so long since I cared. Something from Sears? This is the sixth year in the past 10 that the title has been in dispute under this cash-grab, fan-dis, monopoly that the BCS has created. Which is why the title game just doesn't matter anymore. It's like being named Miss Ogallala. Or Best Amish Electrician.
Just take a look at the teams that think they're worthy of being called national champs:
USC? Great year. Wonderful. Let's all go to SkyBar and celebrate. But it lost to Oregon State, a team Utah beat.
Texas? You think beating Ohio State by a nubby three points gets you the title? The Big Ten was 1-6 in bowl games! That's like pinning David Spade!
Florida and Oklahoma? They lost. Utah never did.
So that's it. Utah is the national champion. The Utes should probably have two now, actually. They went undefeated in 2004, too, and their coach still thinks they were the best team in the land. Smart fella named Urban Meyer. Coaches Florida now.
By the way, we're calling our title the "national" championship because it actually includes the whole nation—all 119 Division I schools—unlike the BCS, which includes 66. Yeah, the BCS somehow eliminated the middleman—the NCAA. The conferences these schools play in take their dump trucks full of cash straight from the TV networks and fairness can go suck a lemon.
Nettie Tien
The Utes won't get the trophy they really deserve, so we gave them one of our own design.
Do me a favor. Call Ohio State president Gordon Gee and ask him why he won't support a playoff. He's one of the most powerful presidents in the NCAA. He could get it done. If he says anything other than, "We don't want to share the loot" then you know he's lying his bow tie off.
"This is not how we normally do things in America," says Utah president Michael Young. "In America, quality usually wins, not conspiracy. And there's a reason people usually enter into a conspiracy. It's money. You make money doing it. And those that are in on the conspiracy want to stay in and keep everybody else out."
Sure, BCS blowhards will hand you schlock about how the college football season is like a playoff, how it's an elimination tournament every week. Really? Well, how come Florida and Oklahoma weren't eliminated with their losses? Utah ran the table, beat everybody set in front of them, including Ala-damn-bama in no less than the Sugar Bowl, and gets the bagel.
Oh, by the way? It was Utah's eighth straight bowl win, the nation's longest streak. Among the losers during that run? Let's see USC, Georgia Tech, Pittsburgh, and now the legendary Houndstooth Hats.
"What else do we have to prove?" asks Utah's magical quarterback, Brian Johnson. Good question. He and the Utes essentially whipped Alabama at home. Handed Nick Saban a garlic necklace to wear the entire off-season. Stepped on his team's neck 21-0 in the first three possessions and never looked back. Let's see. Who was it that was losing to Alabama until nearly six minutes into the fourth quarter? Oh, yeah. Florida.
What, you want the Utes to win a spelling bee? Make a prize-winning souffle? Knock up Angelina Jolie? What?
It just slays me. It really does.
Call Myles Brand, president of the asleep-at-the-wheel NCAA, and ask him if he and his greedy presidents are going to stand in defiance of president-elect Barack Obama, who wants a playoff and wants it yesterday.
Ask Brand what he's going to do if Obama starts asking the Justice Department to look into anti-trust hearings against the BCS. The Utah Attorney General has already launched an investigation into that very thing. Or ask him what he'll do if Obama asks the Department of Education to consider withholding federal funds from these schools that have entered into this secret club called the BCS. You don't think playing in the title game means millions in general-fund donations for a school? That's as unfair as anything Title IX fought against.
Until all these people do the right thing, I'll be celebrating with the true national champions—the undefeated, untied Utah Utes. (Our new slogan: Utahk about a team!)
Lemonades for everybody!
Quote from: Colorado700R on January 07, 2009, 11:07:27 AM
:nana:
You gonna make it to LS this year douche bag?
I didn't go this year because you didn't go.
"Near....Far.....Where ever you are......"
:lol:
~Brian
Quote from: Flynbyu on January 07, 2009, 11:19:20 AM
Quote from: Colorado700R on January 07, 2009, 11:07:27 AM
:nana:
You gonna make it to LS this year douche bag?
I didn't go this year because you didn't go.
"Near....Far.....Where ever you are......"
:lol:
~Brian
"You don't complete me" :rofl:
Utah deserves a nod for sure......"Strength of schedule" gets them though.
Bad thing is anything less than the Champiosnhip game, no one has any reason to play for anything. That's why the NCAA tournament is so sucessful in my opinion.
Everyone gets a shot at March Madness if you can make it to the dance!
~Brian
Quote from: Colorado700R on January 07, 2009, 11:22:02 AM
Quote from: Flynbyu on January 07, 2009, 11:19:20 AM
Quote from: Colorado700R on January 07, 2009, 11:07:27 AM
:nana:
You gonna make it to LS this year douche bag?
I didn't go this year because you didn't go.
"Near....Far.....Where ever you are......"
:lol:
~Brian
"You don't complete me" :rofl:
Shut up.
Just shut up.
You had me at "You"
:lol:
~Brian
Quote from: Colorado700R on January 07, 2009, 10:12:16 AM
I don't know how much longer they'll keep him around now. He's a great coach, but the bottomline is they haven't got it done in quite awhile. OSU has more pride in there football team than any school I've ever seen, but they also refuse to suffer mediocrity. And especially since they spend the most $$ on sports than any other school in the NCAA.
Aaron
I'm sorry, is the ND fan suggesting the removal of a coach for poor results? :rofl:
You're claiming mediocrity? OSU has had a share of the conference title for 4 straight years and went to 4 straight BCS bowl games for a total of 6 under Tressel. That's 17million a year for each of the last 4 years that Tressel has brought into the school and conference (OSU gets a lump off the top in addition to the shared funds). Tack on the fact that he's beat Michigan for the last 5 years in one of if not the biggest NCAA rivalries and I just can't swallow your claim of "mediocrity".
BTW Charlie Weiss brought in just under 400k for playing in the Hawaii bowl, OSU gets almost 5 times that much right off the top of this year's Fiesta bowl appearance.
Not saying I don't believe you, but where'd you get the "spend more money on sports than any NCAA school" factoid?
With the exception of Iowa's convincing win and NWU's close loss every team in the Big 10 got blown out in embarrassing losses during bowl week. OSU came in and played the number 3 ranked team in the country to the last 0:16 seconds of the football game. They held them to a field goal in the first half and ran all up and down the field. And even after Texas came out firing in all cylinders in the third quarter it wasn't without substantial resistance from the OSU defense, case in point Colt McCoy getting the He-Man of the day award for taking all those hits in stride. If the #1 and #3 teams in the Big 10 get blown out by opponents from the Pac 10 and SEC, surely OSU's loss to a #3 ranked Big 12 team has to be considered the best Big 10 performance of the Bowl season. What team in the Big 10 deserves more respect than OSU right now?
There is no argument that the Big 10 isn't down, in fact I'd have to think long and hard about whether I think they deserve to keep the #4 spot or if the ACC was the #4 conference this year. But being on top of a lowly conference is better than being in the middle of a great one. For instance, the big 10 and sec both sent their #4 teams to the outback bowl and Iowa came out on top.
Quote from: Mad Dog on January 07, 2009, 03:41:40 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on January 07, 2009, 10:12:16 AM
I don't know how much longer they'll keep him around now. He's a great coach, but the bottomline is they haven't got it done in quite awhile. OSU has more pride in there football team than any school I've ever seen, but they also refuse to suffer mediocrity. And especially since they spend the most $$ on sports than any other school in the NCAA.
Aaron
I'm sorry, is the ND fan suggesting the removal of a coach for poor results? :rofl:
You're claiming mediocrity? OSU has had a share of the conference title for 4 straight years and went to 4 straight BCS bowl games for a total of 6 under Tressel. That's 17million a year for each of the last 4 years that Tressel has brought into the school and conference (OSU gets a lump off the top in addition to the shared funds). Tack on the fact that he's beat Michigan for the last 5 years in one of if not the biggest NCAA rivalries and I just can't swallow your claim of "mediocrity".
BTW Charlie Weiss brought in just under 400k for playing in the Hawaii bowl, OSU gets almost 5 times that much right off the top of this year's Fiesta bowl appearance.
Not saying I don't believe you, but where'd you get the "spend more money on sports than any NCAA school" factoid?
With the exception of Iowa's convincing win and NWU's close loss every team in the Big 10 got blown out in embarrassing losses during bowl week. OSU came in and played the number 3 ranked team in the country to the last 0:16 seconds of the football game. They held them to a field goal in the first half and ran all up and down the field. And even after Texas came out firing in all cylinders in the third quarter it wasn't without substantial resistance from the OSU defense, case in point Colt McCoy getting the He-Man of the day award for taking all those hits in stride. If the #1 and #3 teams in the Big 10 get blown out by opponents from the Pac 10 and SEC, surely OSU's loss to a #3 ranked Big 12 team has to be considered the best Big 10 performance of the Bowl season. What team in the Big 10 deserves more respect than OSU right now?
There is no argument that the Big 10 isn't down, in fact I'd have to think long and hard about whether I think they deserve to keep the #4 spot or if the ACC was the #4 conference this year. But being on top of a lowly conference is better than being in the middle of a great one. For instance, the big 10 and sec both sent their #4 teams to the outback bowl and Iowa came out on top.
Whoa, whoa whoa.......A, I wasn't attacking OSU. B. I even said Tressel was a great coach. C. I was praising OSU for the football esprit-de corp.
Relax your sphincter Mike :lol:
I'm just saying OSU Fans, allumni, players, etc will always have the highest expectations from there team. And will not settle for "almost" for much longer.
My Irish need a new coach, no doubt becuase they can't even beat themselves. Calls are going to come for a new OSU coach, becuase they expect the best and they are paying for it.
Llyod Carr was a good coach, but crushed by great expectations. The thing that has kept Tressel off the hot seat IMO, is he beats Michigan.
And here's the OSU sports budget info http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2007-01-04-ohiostate-finances-cover_x.htm
I was impressed with Pryor.
This kid is very talented.
Ohio State played great D. Beenie Wells ran all over Texas, which is highly unusual. Generally Texas is known for their run defense (with the exception of the Texas Tech and Ohio State game this season).
After seeing their performance, I do believe Ohio State is the best team out of the Big Ten this year. I think Iowa would be second since they played well in the last part of the season and Michigan State a very close third. Penn State third (even though they beat Iowa by one) They had a few ups and downs this season, but came very prepared to play a solid Texas team. Texas running the fast pace offense proved trouble at the end for Ohio State adjusting, along with the fourth down play that gave Texas a great spot.
~Brian
Perhaps I need to add more smileys Aaron, I wouldn't want you getting butt hurt because you thought I was taking this personal or too seriously. :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :moon: :moon: :moon: :moon: :moon: :moon: :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Losing two NCG's in a row was heartbreaking for fans, and they go their hearts broken again at 0:16 on the clock earlier this week. The year after OSU finished 14-0 Oklahoma made the NCG, and lost both times. But here Oklahoma is, perennial contender with a coach making 3 times as much as other Big 12 heavy hitters. The majority of Buckeye fans are not so unrealistic as to expect to win every year. OSU lost a BCS game to Texas the other night, last year's NC LSU Tigers finished an unranked 8-5 with a win over Georgia Tech in the Chik-Fil-A bowl. Being consistently near the top of the pile is pretty darn good in an era when Utah and Boise State are winning BCS games, most fans are bright enough to see that a BCS loss is better than aspiring to the Motor City Bowl. If you don't believe me just ask the UofM fans who called for Lloyd Carr's head and after getting their wish suffered through the end of the longest bowl appearance streak in college football history.
Good game last night......I'm a little disappointed in Oklahoma's play calling in the red zone. Oklahoma played well in the first half, answered early in the third, but just couldn't contain like they did in the first half.
Oh well, there's always next year. I'm curious to see who will make themselves eligible for the draft now.
~Brian
It was a great game. Tebow is a monster. But your boy is about the most accurate college football passer I've ever seen.
The INTs happen, but that kid lace your shoes from across the field :thumbs:
The crazy thing is he wouldn't have had a pick if the reciever would have held onto the ball both times. He didn't throw it directly to the defender. I am a little pissed that the coaches keep signaling after the team was set. Let Bradford change the play like he did all season by reading the defense.
Tebow is a great athlete. He's like having a coach on the field.
~Brian
Two Red Zone stands by FLA made the difference, a couple of yards and the game could have been OK's.
Bradford is great, he had the kind of year (incredible stats) that Tebow had last year when he won the heisman. Tebow didn't have the numbers this year but he truly led his team to greatness. I'd like to see what Bradford can do with this year under his belt, I think he has that kind of leadership in him.
It will be interesting to see if Braford stays or makes the jump to the NFL.
The owner of our store is a huge OU booster, and is friends with several of OU's coaches (including former coach Barry Switzer). Rumor has it Bradford has stated "I don't want to play in Detroit."
:lol:
~Brian
isnt he a redshirt sofmore? the kid is only gonna get better in that dynamic system at OU