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Title: My new chamber design
Post by: Kenny on June 16, 2008, 04:56:05 PM
 Check the roughed in chamber. It's out getting a 3-d scan this week. Once that is done, the whole deal can be CNC'd(and look much smoother), we can also use that scan to layout piston dome shapes. :thumbs:
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee157/kennybasham/Picture002.jpg)
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee157/kennybasham/Picture001.jpg)
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Colorado700R on June 16, 2008, 05:06:25 PM
Nice  :grin_nod:
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 05:25:11 PM
Thats hot!

:thumbs:
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: preddy08 on June 16, 2008, 05:47:15 PM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 05:25:11 PM
Thats hot!

:thumbs:

Just don't drop it like its hot. That would be expensive :rofl:


Looks good Kenny. I'm kinda a porting newbe, but are you de-shrouding the valves per the big bore spec?
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Kenny on June 16, 2008, 06:54:07 PM
Quote from: preddy08 on June 16, 2008, 05:47:15 PM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 05:25:11 PM
Thats hot!

:thumbs:

Just don't drop it like its hot. That would be expensive :rofl:


Looks good Kenny. I'm kinda a porting newbe, but are you de-shrouding the valves per the big bore spec?
Yeah I take cylinder wall shrouding into every design aspect of heads. I use the topcut, chamber shape, and custom tuliped valves to manipulate the mixture. Basically....I make air my bitch! :grin_nod:
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Colorado700R on June 16, 2008, 07:10:12 PM
Kenny,
Check your PM's, or I'm not building you that anti-honda missile system  :batman:
...

(Update)

..and I repost your "Kenny Loggins" picture


:lol:
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Kenny on June 16, 2008, 07:31:15 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 16, 2008, 07:10:12 PM
Kenny,
Check your PM's, or I'm not building you that anti-honda missile system  :batman:
...

(Update)

..and I repost your "Kenny Loggins" picture


:lol:
Nothing could be worse than the "lethal weapon/ Rambo" hair gone bad :lol:
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee157/kennybasham/hair.jpg)
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: 1FST690 on June 16, 2008, 08:31:58 PM
Are you changing valve angle at all?
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Kenny on June 16, 2008, 08:46:53 PM
Quote from: 1FST690 on June 16, 2008, 08:31:58 PM
Are you changing valve angle at all?
Not on this one...... 8)
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 10:33:23 PM
Quote from: Kenny on June 16, 2008, 08:46:53 PM
Quote from: 1FST690 on June 16, 2008, 08:31:58 PM
Are you changing valve angle at all?
Not on this one...... 8)


"On this one....."  ???




I'm LISTENING!!!!!
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: dabigbratj on June 16, 2008, 10:33:31 PM
kenny nice talkin to you again today i sent you a pm
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Bert on June 16, 2008, 10:37:52 PM
Damn Kenny, you've got all kinds of stuff coming out, dyno sheets available yet  :lol:
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Kenny on June 17, 2008, 06:44:25 AM
Quote from: Bert on June 16, 2008, 10:37:52 PM
Damn Kenny, you've got all kinds of stuff coming out, dyno sheets available yet  :lol:
Not yet....The port work isn't finished yet. This chamber is getting 3-D scanned this week and the port work will get digitized next week. The CNC will be able to do all the porting, then flip the head over and cut the chamber. I will be able to get really high compression with a flattop piston. With the chamber being so compact, it should behave like a multi-plug head. I am also working with angle milling (rolling the head) and physically relocating the head on the cylinder. :nun:
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Krandall on June 17, 2008, 07:33:01 AM
So. Is this all just a testing phase? Or was there enough data logged through your bench flowing a stock head that leads to saying that reworking the chambers will be beneficial?

I mean, I know there's always better ways to improve upon any design. More so just wondering what you saw that suggested this move?  :)
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Kenny on June 17, 2008, 09:56:58 AM
Quote from: Krandall on June 17, 2008, 07:33:01 AM
So. Is this all just a testing phase? Or was there enough data logged through your bench flowing a stock head that leads to saying that reworking the chambers will be beneficial?

I mean, I know there's always better ways to improve upon any design. More so just wondering what you saw that suggested this move?  :)
I always want the most compact chamber possible, for the most efficient chamber I can get. The smaller chamber with more quench has much to do with the mixture motion inside the chamber. You may have noticed the gains we are seeing lately with a tighter piston to head clearance. I think we see an average of nearly 2 free hp when we tighten the clearance and take some of the dome off to make the CR the same.
I also always want as small of an intake valve angle (vs piston) as I can get. That is why rolling the head 1.5° will be beneficial. And of course, moving the intake valves away from the cylinder wall reduces shrouding.

Here is what I plan to offer:
The Racers edge head as my entry level head, which is simply the best head for the money. Bar none. It comes cut for +1 valves and has a BB contour CNC valve job, and you can get the Ferrea +1 valves with a custom tulip angle for $35 each!
Price:$500 +parts

My "AV" ported head with +2 valves, which sees substantial increases in flow, and uses an altered airspeed, to be more fitting for a Hotrod. They also use the Ferrea valves with a custom tulip, and the BB contour valve job.
Price: $750 +parts

Then there is this "flagship" head that has all the stops pulled out. It will be welded up everywhere, angle milled, and use offset dowels for head placement.
Price:$1000 +parts
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Colorado700R on June 17, 2008, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: Kenny on June 16, 2008, 07:31:15 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 16, 2008, 07:10:12 PM
Kenny,
Check your PM's, or I'm not building you that anti-honda missile system  :batman:
...

(Update)

..and I repost your "Kenny Loggins" picture


:lol:
Nothing could be worse than the "lethal weapon/ Rambo" hair gone bad :lol:
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee157/kennybasham/hair.jpg)

Is your last name Hall or Oates?   ???

:lol:
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: ThisGuyAlex on June 17, 2008, 11:06:23 AM
what's the benefit to removing so much material from around the sparkplug hole?
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Kenny on June 17, 2008, 11:52:28 AM
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 17, 2008, 11:06:23 AM
what's the benefit to removing so much material from around the sparkplug hole?
That's stock :confused:

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee157/kennybasham/stockchamber.jpg)

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee157/kennybasham/Picture001.jpg)
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Bert on June 17, 2008, 03:21:14 PM
Hey Kenny, that pic in your sig is showing me a RED X? what's the pic?
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Krandall on June 17, 2008, 03:22:11 PM
Quote from: Bert on June 17, 2008, 03:21:14 PM
Hey Kenny, that pic in your sig is showing me a RED X? what's the pic?

It's a devil smiley from RaptorForum Root of all evil and greed.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Bert on June 17, 2008, 04:00:43 PM
Quote from: Krandall on June 17, 2008, 03:22:11 PM
Quote from: Bert on June 17, 2008, 03:21:14 PM
Hey Kenny, that pic in your sig is showing me a RED X? what's the pic?

It's a devil smiley from RaptorForum Root of all evil and greed.  :thumbs:
:rofl:


Kenny - Keep up the great work 
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Kenny on June 17, 2008, 04:04:01 PM
Quote from: Krandall on June 17, 2008, 03:22:11 PM
Quote from: Bert on June 17, 2008, 03:21:14 PM
Hey Kenny, that pic in your sig is showing me a RED X? what's the pic?

It's a devil smiley from RaptorForum Root of all evil and greed.  :thumbs:
You took my devil smiley! :nun:
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Colorado700R on June 17, 2008, 04:12:50 PM
Quote from: Kenny on June 17, 2008, 04:04:01 PM
Quote from: Krandall on June 17, 2008, 03:22:11 PM
Quote from: Bert on June 17, 2008, 03:21:14 PM
Hey Kenny, that pic in your sig is showing me a RED X? what's the pic?

It's a devil smiley from RaptorForum Root of all evil and greed.  :thumbs:
You took my devil smiley! :nun:

Blame Krandall  :rofl:

We'll just give you a performance modded one  :grin_nod:

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u87/goddess_aurora/Blinkies%20I%20use/devil_5.gif)


(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t264/DaPoe/Large%20Smileys/devil.gif)

Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Colorado700R on June 17, 2008, 04:16:37 PM
or.......


(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o23/bananrullekake/Emoticon/devil.gif)
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Kenny on June 17, 2008, 04:21:28 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 17, 2008, 04:16:37 PM
or.......


(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o23/bananrullekake/Emoticon/devil.gif)
That devil smiley was the best thing left from "The name that shall not be spoken....or spelled" None of the others look devious enough :lol:
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Krandall on June 17, 2008, 05:06:27 PM
Quote from: Kenny on June 17, 2008, 04:21:28 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 17, 2008, 04:16:37 PM
or.......


(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o23/bananrullekake/Emoticon/devil.gif)
That devil smiley was the best thing left from "The name that shall not be spoken....or spelled" None of the others look devious enough :lol:

You are fixed now Kenny! :clap:


:satan:

Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: scholle on June 24, 2008, 01:39:22 PM
 Kenny dont post so many pics. Don't you know how many will try to copy that?
The CNC will definately make it less labor intensive to do though.
Whats next? Extrude honing the water jackets.... Wait I better be quiet.. LOL

GREAT WORK as always.
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Kenny on June 24, 2008, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: scholle on June 24, 2008, 01:39:22 PM
Kenny dont post so many pics. Don't you know how many will try to copy that?
The CNC will definately make it less labor intensive to do though.
Whats next? Extrude honing the water jackets.... Wait I better be quiet.. LOL

GREAT WORK as always.
It's funny you should say that. There are a few builders out there that try to claim that they have been using my evac valves for years. One has even claimed to have done "AV" porting......I'm sure he has no idea what AV stands for. :grin_nod: I have even had them tell me that they have done this chamber, and of course that didn't work either. I will have to do this on the CNC because that chamber is a BITCH! The gouges are my work :rofl:
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Krandall on June 24, 2008, 03:42:53 PM
Quote from: Kenny on June 24, 2008, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: scholle on June 24, 2008, 01:39:22 PM
Kenny dont post so many pics. Don't you know how many will try to copy that?
The CNC will definately make it less labor intensive to do though.
Whats next? Extrude honing the water jackets.... Wait I better be quiet.. LOL

GREAT WORK as always.
It's funny you should say that. There are a few builders out there that try to claim that they have been using my evac valves for years. One has even claimed to have done "AV" porting......I'm sure he has no idea what AV stands for. :grin_nod: I have even had them tell me that they have done this chamber, and of course that didn't work either. I will have to do this on the CNC because that chamber is a BITCH! The gouges are my work :rofl:


So its NOT "Audio/Video" ???

:lol:


Still need a price on the crank evac valve dag nabbit! :D
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Silver Bullet on June 24, 2008, 07:40:52 PM
I thought AV stood for A** Vacuum.  :grin_nod:
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: preddy08 on June 24, 2008, 08:51:32 PM
Quote from: Silver Bullet on June 24, 2008, 07:40:52 PM
I thought AV stood for A** Vacuum.  :grin_nod:

AV..............................LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: NaturalRaptor on June 25, 2008, 07:26:53 AM
Good info as always Kenny! :thumbs:
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Texas700 on June 25, 2008, 05:36:03 PM
Looks like when i get ready to redo my head i'm gonna have plenty of choices.
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Colorado700R on June 25, 2008, 06:18:01 PM
Quote from: Texas700 on June 25, 2008, 05:36:03 PM
Looks like when i get ready to redo my head i'm gonna have plenty of choices.

Welcome to the site Texas  :thumbs:
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Onelunglow on June 26, 2008, 09:38:12 AM
Quote from: Kenny on June 17, 2008, 09:56:58 AM
Quote from: Krandall on June 17, 2008, 07:33:01 AM
So. Is this all just a testing phase? Or was there enough data logged through your bench flowing a stock head that leads to saying that reworking the chambers will be beneficial?

I mean, I know there's always better ways to improve upon any design. More so just wondering what you saw that suggested this move?  :)
I always want the most compact chamber possible, for the most efficient chamber I can get. The smaller chamber with more quench has much to do with the mixture motion inside the chamber. You may have noticed the gains we are seeing lately with a tighter piston to head clearance. I think we see an average of nearly 2 free hp when we tighten the clearance and take some of the dome off to make the CR the same.
I also always want as small of an intake valve angle (vs piston) as I can get. That is why rolling the head 1.5° will be beneficial. And of course, moving the intake valves away from the cylinder wall reduces shrouding.

Here is what I plan to offer:
The Racers edge head as my entry level head, which is simply the best head for the money. Bar none. It comes cut for +1 valves and has a BB contour CNC valve job, and you can get the Ferrea +1 valves with a custom tulip angle for $35 each!
Price:$500 +parts

My "AV" ported head with +2 valves, which sees substantial increases in flow, and uses an altered airspeed, to be more fitting for a Hotrod. They also use the Ferrea valves with a custom tulip, and the BB contour valve job.
Price: $750 +parts

Then there is this "flagship" head that has all the stops pulled out. It will be welded up everywhere, angle milled, and use offset dowels for head placement.
Price:$1000 +parts

So when will all these heads be available to the public?  :thumbs:
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Kenny on June 26, 2008, 10:51:57 AM
Quote from: Onelunglow on June 26, 2008, 09:38:12 AM
Quote from: Kenny on June 17, 2008, 09:56:58 AM
Quote from: Krandall on June 17, 2008, 07:33:01 AM
So. Is this all just a testing phase? Or was there enough data logged through your bench flowing a stock head that leads to saying that reworking the chambers will be beneficial?

I mean, I know there's always better ways to improve upon any design. More so just wondering what you saw that suggested this move?  :)
I always want the most compact chamber possible, for the most efficient chamber I can get. The smaller chamber with more quench has much to do with the mixture motion inside the chamber. You may have noticed the gains we are seeing lately with a tighter piston to head clearance. I think we see an average of nearly 2 free hp when we tighten the clearance and take some of the dome off to make the CR the same.
I also always want as small of an intake valve angle (vs piston) as I can get. That is why rolling the head 1.5° will be beneficial. And of course, moving the intake valves away from the cylinder wall reduces shrouding.

Here is what I plan to offer:
The Racers edge head as my entry level head, which is simply the best head for the money. Bar none. It comes cut for +1 valves and has a BB contour CNC valve job, and you can get the Ferrea +1 valves with a custom tulip angle for $35 each!
Price:$500 +parts

My "AV" ported head with +2 valves, which sees substantial increases in flow, and uses an altered airspeed, to be more fitting for a Hotrod. They also use the Ferrea valves with a custom tulip, and the BB contour valve job.
Price: $750 +parts

Then there is this "flagship" head that has all the stops pulled out. It will be welded up everywhere, angle milled, and use offset dowels for head placement.
Price:$1000 +parts

So when will all these heads be available to the public?  :thumbs:
Hopefully in the next couple of weeks, I'm shooting for the end of July for many of my products 8)
Title: Re: My new chamber design
Post by: Texas700 on June 26, 2008, 08:49:42 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 25, 2008, 06:18:01 PM
Quote from: Texas700 on June 25, 2008, 05:36:03 PM
Looks like when i get ready to redo my head i'm gonna have plenty of choices.

Welcome to the site Texas  :thumbs:
Man. With all these new raptor spots, i guess i will be on the net three times as long now. Unless RF ends up tanking which its well on its way.