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Title: What would you do?
Post by: desdak4 on February 03, 2010, 07:54:21 AM
You guys are giving me great info in my other thread on my first build. But, I have another question for you.

If you could do a build or suspension what would you do?

I currently have an '07 Raptor 700 with Monsters, Fuel ATV intake, Evac Valve and PCIII. This quad has been great to me for 3+ years and I am going to have to do a new clutch.

I am thinking of doing a +3 TB, 11:1 Piston, Stage 3 cam and of course the new clutch OR I could do aftermarket suspension. I just need to decide so I can get started.

So what would you do??????


Thanks,
Jay
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Krandall on February 03, 2010, 08:19:13 AM
You have pogo's or resi shocks already?

If you have the resi shocks, I'd go motor. If you don't. Suspension I'd say is the way to go. :)
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Colorado700R on February 03, 2010, 08:29:20 AM
Jay, were do you ride more Trails, or dunes?

Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Peelz on February 03, 2010, 08:34:05 AM
suspension..... right now. :lol:

but I am old and in pain most days so my opinion is somewhat skewed :lol:
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: preddy08 on February 03, 2010, 08:36:45 AM
Whats your budget, you might be able to do a little of both.
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: wobble on February 03, 2010, 08:51:30 AM
Quote from: Krandall on February 03, 2010, 08:19:13 AM
If you have the resi shocks, I'd go motor. If you don't. Suspension I'd say is the way to go. :)

I agree. The '07 SE shocks are not that bad. HUGE improvement over the '07 700R pogo shocks. I also say go for the motor and clutch mods. Next I would say have your shocks rebuilt.

With the added power, you may want to go with a longer swingarm. I almost had my shocks done before my last build. I'm glad I held off because I ended up buying some +2 arms and longer swingarm. That would have required new springs and revalving again on all the shocks. That would have been a complete waste of money.
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: desdak4 on February 03, 2010, 08:52:37 AM
I have the stock resi shocks.

I ride trails/ditches with at least one trip to St. Anthony's a year and sometime take it home to Oregon.

My budget/wife only allows for one or the other.

My big concern is reliability, I have seen so many get built and then have problems all the time and that is something I do not want.

Jay
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Colorado700R on February 03, 2010, 09:00:14 AM
I would look at LT Motowoz, Elka, or Foxfloat shocks, with a wider LT Max Ground Clearance A-arm (I like the ATV 4 Play models), and an adjustable width play axle.

A CCP will go along way in helping arm fatigue aswell, even with your Flexx Bars.


Aaron
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: desdak4 on February 03, 2010, 09:12:31 AM
I do already have a the Flexx Bars(won't run without them) and a CCP.

I would most likely be looking to keep my stock arms and axle as I have a wheel spacers that I am very happy with.

Jay
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: preddy08 on February 03, 2010, 09:20:44 AM
Quote from: desdak4 on February 03, 2010, 09:12:31 AM
I do already have a the Flexx Bars(won't run without them) and a CCP.

I would most likely be looking to keep my stock arms and axle as I have a wheel spacers that I am very happy with.

Jay

What if you had the shocks rebuilt/revalved, then put a piston and cam in it?
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: desdak4 on February 03, 2010, 10:06:34 AM
I would rather have aftermarket shock if I am doing suspension. Just my personel pref.

How reliable are these mild builds, is anyone having trouble after building these motors?

Jay
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Colorado700R on February 03, 2010, 10:10:55 AM
that's the great thing IMO about the rappy, builds seems to be very reliable.  The only issue I've seen consitantly is Head gaskets when you really bump up the compression to the extremes (IE 14-1), and even then there are guys who have had no issues.
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: preddy08 on February 03, 2010, 10:11:00 AM
Quote from: desdak4 on February 03, 2010, 10:06:34 AM
I would rather have aftermarket shock if I am doing suspension. Just my personel pref.

How reliable are these mild builds, is anyone having trouble after building these motors?

Jay

My last build was 14+ compression, big bore, with big cam. I had ZERO issues for two years. Really the only time you'll start to see issues is if your going into the 800+cc range.

how mechanically inclined are you?
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: desdak4 on February 03, 2010, 10:39:18 AM
I'm decent and know how to read LOL. I have been riding and tinkering with quads for the better part of my life. I am just worried about having a ticking time bomb.

Jay
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Peelz on February 03, 2010, 11:26:55 AM
save yourself the hassle, spend the cash on hookers and blow. :thumbs:  ;) :lol:

oh, I mean Elka's if you are sticking with stock arms.
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: wobble on February 03, 2010, 11:32:15 AM
Quote from: desdak4 on February 03, 2010, 10:39:18 AM
I'm decent and know how to read LOL. I have been riding and tinkering with quads for the better part of my life. I am just worried about having a ticking time bomb.

Jay

You are talking about a very mild build. You shouldn't have any problems with reliability at all.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: desdak4 on February 03, 2010, 12:39:51 PM
If I went suspension, will the stock rear shock keep up with a long travel setup up front?

Jay
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: preddy08 on February 03, 2010, 12:42:03 PM
Quote from: desdak4 on February 03, 2010, 12:39:51 PM
If I went suspension, will the stock rear shock keep up with a long travel setup up front?

Jay


again, I'd like to see atleast a re-valved rear. Seems to be kinda bastardizing the fronts with a stock rear.
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: desdak4 on February 03, 2010, 01:19:13 PM
LOL, so I would be looking at at least 3000 for suspension or 850 for my motor. Wow, this is hard and I am running out of time.

Jay
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: shrimpy21 on February 03, 2010, 02:14:05 PM
Quote from: desdak4 on February 03, 2010, 01:19:13 PM
LOL, so I would be looking at at least 3000 for suspension or 850 for my motor. Wow, this is hard and I am running out of time.

Jay

I have ordered Bopp +2 a-arms with big ground clearence,motowoz LT triple rate piggyback fronts and motowoz dual rate remote rezzie rear shock and its not far away from your $3000.Ive had to pay extra $ as im having the motowoz customed coloured red/black to match my SE1.If you are going LT i would go wider arms and keep the wheel spacers on the rear.I ordered my stuff from Kenneth at KB motorsports,he will sort you out a good deal  :nod:
I also have a mild build,Bo white's P&P,+3 KDS TB,evac,11:1 cp and a RJ piston.I love my build and had zero problems,touch wood.  :thumbs:

stephen
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: shrimpy21 on February 03, 2010, 02:18:55 PM
Sorry Jay its a hard decision to make,i went motor first and was happy,and now suspension,but cant let you know what its like as its being built as we talk  :lol:

I also ride trails and road,you will love the extra power if you go with motor,but as some people say go suspension first as that also makes you quicker.

Why not go suspension and11:1 piston and maybe a cam,just keep the piston and cam quite from the wife  :lol:  :thumbs:
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: White Rider on February 04, 2010, 12:11:30 AM
Motor for sure, you will notice power before how it feels in a corner. You wont regret it at all if you spend your money in the motor first then work from there.
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: 1badazz_700r on February 04, 2010, 12:22:11 AM
i say motor all the way :thumbs: as far a longer swingarm not really a concern with that build. i had the same combination a few years back and didnt reallysee the need for one. jmo
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: wobble on February 04, 2010, 11:00:23 AM
Quote from: desdak4 on February 03, 2010, 01:19:13 PM
LOL, so I would be looking at at least 3000 for suspension or 850 for my motor. Wow, this is hard and I am running out of time.

Jay

You don't need to spend at least $3000 on suspension. I spent half that and am VERY happy with it.
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: desdak4 on February 05, 2010, 05:09:05 AM
Wobble, what did you go with if you don't mind me asking?

Jay
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: wobble on February 05, 2010, 07:11:10 AM
+2 JD Performance A-Arms
LSR Axle
Wiigstyle Racing shock rebuilds
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: desdak4 on February 05, 2010, 10:39:46 AM
So I take it that Wiigstyle sets up these stock shocks really good?

Jay
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: wobble on February 05, 2010, 10:58:42 AM
I haven't had a chance to ride them yet as I just got them back from him. But he does use Race Tech components. I've tried out my buddy's TCS rebuilds (also Race Tech components) and the ride was incredible. That's actually what made me get mine done.
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: preddy08 on February 05, 2010, 11:08:25 AM
Quote from: desdak4 on February 05, 2010, 10:39:46 AM
So I take it that Wiigstyle sets up these stock shocks really good?

Jay
Wiigstyle does an amazing job. He setup my suspension from the ground up and for the money I have it, its simply amazing!

My elka's are'nt LT or the crazy expensive one, but I'd sure put them in the same catagorie performance wise.

No one ever wants to give my bike back  :clap: :rofl: :clap:
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Peelz on February 05, 2010, 01:53:29 PM
Quote from: preddy08 on February 05, 2010, 11:08:25 AM
Quote from: desdak4 on February 05, 2010, 10:39:46 AM
So I take it that Wiigstyle sets up these stock shocks really good?

Jay
Wiigstyle does an amazing job. He setup my suspension from the ground up and for the money I have it, its simply amazing!

My elka's are'nt LT or the crazy expensive one, but I'd sure put them in the same catagorie performance wise.

No one ever wants to give my bike back  :clap: :rofl: :clap:

+1 I was quite surprised by that.
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Bert on February 05, 2010, 04:11:06 PM
Jay my rappy is a 3 mod & +2TB. For the trail riding I do i'm satisfied with the power since the trails are 1st & 2nd gear mostly. Given the chance to open it up on longer strecthes its spinning tires &  its hard enough to keep rear tires from going bald now due to a lot of hard surface riding like dirt track, gravel roads & some pavement here and there. Ditch riding is allowed but no one does it so there are no established trails just running down grass finding the bumps. Control & Comfort are my issues now not more speed.  I had a chance to ride a buddys Honda 450 with aftermarket suspension & it was like riding on pillows.  I was truly amazed by the difference.  9 outta 10 times the forum will urge people to mod the motor but what Good is speed without exceptional crisp handling.  I like to race as much as the next guy but I'm not out there drag racing every weekend i cover a variety of terrain.  I guess that's why I have 4 sets of tires on rims.  :lol: There's summer tires, tall winter tires, dirt track tires & studded tires. Seems like to many but i'm happy I have them.  Personally I'd love to spend the coin on aftermarket suspension but i've got a few other money pits right now.

Jay you remember the difference in power from when your Rappy was stock until now?

Imagine your suspension having that much performance gain.


Its all in where you ride but  Wiigstyle Racing shock rebuilds seem like a great investment with a return in handling which overall will help you ride faster with the power you have now. Another  plus is its a smaller company that offers Customer Service with quick turn arounds. Just my .02$
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Peelz on February 05, 2010, 04:39:16 PM
Quote from: Bert on February 05, 2010, 04:11:06 PM
Jay my rappy is a 3 mod & +2TB. For the trail riding I do i'm satisfied with the power since the trails are 1st & 2nd gear mostly. Given the chance to open it up on longer strecthes its spinning tires &  its hard enough to keep rear tires from going bald now due to a lot of hard surface riding like dirt track, gravel roads & some pavement here and there. Ditch riding is allowed but no one does it so there are no established trails just running down grass finding the bumps. Control & Comfort are my issues now not more speed.  I had a chance to ride a buddys Honda 450 with aftermarket suspension & it was like riding on pillows.  I was truly amazed by the difference.  9 outta 10 times the forum will urge people to mod the motor but what Good is speed without exceptional crisp handling.  I like to race as much as the next guy but I'm not out there drag racing every weekend i cover a variety of terrain.  I guess that's why I have 4 sets of tires on rims.  :lol: There's summer tires, tall winter tires, dirt track tires & studded tires. Seems like to many but i'm happy I have them.  Personally I'd love to spend the coin on aftermarket suspension but i've got a few other money pits right now.

Jay you remember the difference in power from when your Rappy was stock until now?

Imagine your suspension having that much performance gain.


Its all in where you ride but  Wiigstyle Racing shock rebuilds seem like a great investment with a return in handling which overall will help you ride faster with the power you have now. Another  plus is its a smaller company that offers Customer Service with quick turn arounds. Just my .02$

great post bert.

Exactly!
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: desdak4 on February 06, 2010, 11:05:28 AM
that is a great thought Bert.

Is there anuy benefit to going with just a throttle body and ignition or just a throttle body and a cam and then rebuild the stock suspension?

Jay
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Gunz on February 12, 2010, 05:21:29 AM
Ok I'm not even going to read past the first post.....................


Suspension!!! This is a no brainer!!!!!! Your oem suspension will never hold up to your motor mods and what I mean is it doesn't matter how big and bad ass your motor is it ain't worth shit unless you can use it. Your OEM suspension will hold up your capabilities on the trails,sand,racing,whoops,hairpins,burrs,strait aways, and anything else. There is no way your going to keep your bike pinned at all times with a stock suspension on a 40hp or a 80hp bike. Now on the other hand if you had an all out aftermarket suspension that was of good quality it would handle any hp you put at it. Like for instance whoops, when I was at 40hp with a stock suspension I was flying over them pinned in 3rd maybe 4th and that's with the bad-ass SE suspension, man I thought I was a bad ass!!! I then did a "Super 6 mod" and was rock'n at least 55hp and still I was flying over the whoops in 3rd maybe 4th. Even though I had more hp, I still wasn't going any faster. Then one day I bought a suspension...BAM!!!!, I was really flying over whoops now... pinned in 5th and loving it. Have you ever gone over a mile long set of whoops at 80mph and had a koolaid smile at the end of them????? Seriously? Not with a stock suspension, I'd call you a liar. In the trails it's the same  way, you can absolutely push you and your bike harder with an aftermarket suspension. I guarantee if you had a race between 3 bikes on any situation except for a 300ft drag race, one bike being totally factory, one having lets say $2000 worth of motor mods and the last bike having $2000 suspension. The suspension will win 99/100 times...mx, gncc, dunes, xc, desert, whatever....

Suspension for the win!!! I don't mean to hurt anybodies feelings, but if you have never had an aftermarket suspension then your opinion don't mean shit in this thread. People that have never had an aftermarket suspension HAVE KNOW IDEA WHAT THEY ARE MISSING. And just because you rode "your buddies bike" with a suspension still doesn't mean shit, because an aftermarket suspension is bought and built with a specific intention per the person it's going under. I rock a 235lb woods suspension, my 180lb friend that loves dunes would NOT be comfortable on my bike, why???? because it was built for MY fat ass not his.

Got any questions? Just ask. Like I said I didn't read any statements above, so coincidences in what I said are just that, didn't mean to hurt anybodys feelings, I just know how these threads play out.
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Gunz on February 12, 2010, 05:30:39 AM
Ok now that I posted I went and read everybody's post.... I was expecting everyone to say motor first...haha, I love this site. I had wiigstyle rebuild my rear shock as well and couldn't be happier. As a matter of fact he will be a sight sponsor soon, main reason, I have his product and like it.
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Peelz on February 15, 2010, 01:21:35 PM
agreed mike. THe SE suspension is much better than the pogos, but still not amazing.

Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Bert on March 16, 2010, 01:51:52 AM
Quote from: desdak4 on February 06, 2010, 11:05:28 AM
Is there anuy benefit to going with just a throttle body and ignition or just a throttle body and a cam and then rebuild the stock suspension?

Jay

Jay what did you end up doing to your Raptor ?
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: FoundArealQuad on March 16, 2010, 02:49:10 AM
I would go suspension first. I'm also 33 and the knee's are not like they used to be. I've rode a couple of quads with suspension and one that was set up for my weight and the difference was night and day. If I would ride more than I have been it would be the next investment for sure.
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: ralph265 on March 18, 2010, 11:22:51 PM
Elkas and a pep ( the kind that attached to the frame ) steering stabilser . Best mods per buck I ever did and
Ive done a fair bit
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: desdak4 on March 20, 2010, 10:46:08 PM
I actually haven't decided yet guys, I was told that I may be deploy from June to Oct this year so everything is on hol for a bit.

Jay
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Gunz on March 20, 2010, 10:50:23 PM
Well if you need someone to take care of your bike for ya, let me know. I've been known to mod borrowed bikes before..... :thumbs:
Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: desdak4 on March 20, 2010, 11:29:16 PM
LOL, with who's money???

Jay