Ok I tried to look up the shoot out that was done but the link is dead :ban:. Can anyone tell me hp. and Torgue gains on both. I don't currently plan any internal mods just intake and programmer.
I was leaning to Barkers but DMC look almost as good and have more availablity to replacement parts by local dealer.
Depends on what DMCs your looking at. THe Force 4's or the Afterburners, personally, i wouldnt get afterburners unless you get them really cheap. The Force 4's most people say are copys of Barkers with DMC cans. Both are a good pipe imo, but i would drop the little extra on the Barkers. Dont worry about replacement parts, if you need anything for the Barkers, just give Tim, he will get you what you need.
Brent
steve from TQS is sending me a set of DMC force 4 to test as the last component of my pipw shootout... they will be re ran against the BARKERS on my bike... in a few days
So not much difference between the 2. I'm just a dad with a bike 8) Barkers i think look better but also going to run about $2-300 more. I just looked at the monsterdual. Also a nice looking..
There's some monsters in the sale section. :thumbs:
I would wait and see what DL700 comes up with on the dyno.. However, I know for a fact that if you buy Barkers, you won't be dissappointed... Good luck on your choice and when you get um mounted up, enjoy your new found power.... LOL...
Barkers and DMCs perform almost identically.....but DMCs get the nod for fit and finish
Quote from: Buck on February 14, 2009, 01:26:01 AM
Barkers and DMCs perform almost identically.....but DMCs get the nod for fit and finish
I gotta disagree....Just like the last shootout that was done the DMC cans are a love/hate relationship. I think the DMC cans look cheap compared to Barkers....
Maybe because you own Barkers
Nah, I'm pretty sure it's the paper thin look of the cans and tips. :lol:
Quote from: FoundArealQuad on February 14, 2009, 06:58:49 PM
Maybe because you own Barkers
I own barkers, but I LOVE the look of the DMC's. Don't get me wrong. my barkers are sexy, but there's somethin about the finish of the cans on the DMC's that catch my eye..
To each their own. :) :thumbs: :thumbs:
The DMC tips are stamped thin .... keeps overall weight and cost down....
Quote from: Diggs59 on February 14, 2009, 08:17:12 AM
Quote from: Buck on February 14, 2009, 01:26:01 AM
Barkers and DMCs perform almost identically.....but DMCs get the nod for fit and finish
I gotta disagree....Just like the last shootout that was done the DMC cans are a love/hate relationship. I think the DMC cans look cheap compared to Barkers....
Its been proven (looks aside) that the DMCs are all around better when it comes to how they mount up and how they are built sturdier. Talk to DL he had both pipes hand in hand, used to own Barkers and switched over to the DMCs. I own Barkers and Love them, but lets be honest it doesnt take a miracle for a set of pipes to be designed better when it comes to mounting etc...Ask DL for details on the DMCs like how they mount to the subframe, how the cans are mounted to the mid pipes, how the headpipes are built etc... They are built very well.
It's all opinion about the fit and finish you speak of. I've saw the DMC's....."I" don't care about weight. "I've" never had 1 problem mounting the Barkers. "I" have removed them repeatedly. The billet clamps are a huge improvement in this department. I've saw DL post about the DMC's and when asked he said "that he wanted to be different." Performance is pretty much identical. So it boils down to what each individuals opinion is.
You're right about it not taking a miracle to make a product. All DMC had to do was "take a page out of the Tim Barker book of pipe building." I'm not the only person who's saw them and made that assesment either. It's just my preference but I'll stick with Barkers because I like their look, performance, and fact that they're made by Tim Barker and he's been a leader in this industry for a while now over "a commercialized company" who struck out (in a-lot of peoples eyes) on their first attempt at a set of duals and resorted to "mirroring" Tim's setup.
i believe the Dmc's will stay in better condition for longer, also i could not get the Barkers to stop vibrating on my frame after many adjustments with the billet brackets.....
can't lose with either of these pipes.....personal preference on looks and sound
To each there own, but I want to say thanks to DL for the testing and sharing all the info. :thumbs: There sure are a lot more choices in this market now.
Quote from: NaturalRaptor on February 16, 2009, 11:05:53 AM
To each there own, but I want to say thanks to DL for the testing and sharing all the info. :thumbs: There sure are a lot more choices in this market now.
No doubt....
Quote from: Diggs59 on February 16, 2009, 06:45:43 AM
It's all opinion about the fit and finish you speak of. I've saw the DMC's....."I" don't care about weight. "I've" never had 1 problem mounting the Barkers. "I" have removed them repeatedly. The billet clamps are a huge improvement in this department. I've saw DL post about the DMC's and when asked he said "that he wanted to be different." Performance is pretty much identical. So it boils down to what each individuals opinion is.
You're right about it not taking a miracle to make a product. All DMC had to do was "take a page out of the Tim Barker book of pipe building." I'm not the only person who's saw them and made that assesment either. It's just my preference but I'll stick with Barkers because I like their look, performance, and fact that they're made by Tim Barker and he's been a leader in this industry for a while now over "a commercialized company" who struck out (in a-lot of peoples eyes) on their first attempt at a set of duals and resorted to "mirroring" Tim's setup.
Did u read DLs review on moddedraptor?
I love my Barkers just as much if not more than the next guy. Im just saying DMC makes a VERY solid pipe. And from what DL said in his review it seems as though there are some characteristics in the DMCs that are better than the same aspect of the Barkers.....Not a big deal....
I too prefer the looks of my Barkers over the DMCs.
I would say stick with monsters or barkers in that order both have excellent products with great customer service , I think they are smaller companies mabe thats the difference
Quote from: Buck on February 17, 2009, 02:36:43 AM
Quote from: Diggs59 on February 16, 2009, 06:45:43 AM
It's all opinion about the fit and finish you speak of. I've saw the DMC's....."I" don't care about weight. "I've" never had 1 problem mounting the Barkers. "I" have removed them repeatedly. The billet clamps are a huge improvement in this department. I've saw DL post about the DMC's and when asked he said "that he wanted to be different." Performance is pretty much identical. So it boils down to what each individuals opinion is.
You're right about it not taking a miracle to make a product. All DMC had to do was "take a page out of the Tim Barker book of pipe building." I'm not the only person who's saw them and made that assesment either. It's just my preference but I'll stick with Barkers because I like their look, performance, and fact that they're made by Tim Barker and he's been a leader in this industry for a while now over "a commercialized company" who struck out (in a-lot of peoples eyes) on their first attempt at a set of duals and resorted to "mirroring" Tim's setup.
Did u read DLs review on moddedraptor?
I love my Barkers just as much if not more than the next guy. Im just saying DMC makes a VERY solid pipe. And from what DL said in his review it seems as though there are some characteristics in the DMCs that are better than the same aspect of the Barkers.....Not a big deal....
I too prefer the looks of my Barkers over the DMCs.
Not knocking Dan at all here when I say this: One mans review is his own opinion. Just like fastraptor said above:
Quote from: fastraptor on February 17, 2009, 02:21:37 PM
I would say stick with monsters or barkers in that order both have excellent products with great customer service , I think they are smaller companies mabe thats the difference
Ok so the more I thought about it the hard it was to wait. I also don't plan on any internal mods,, for now. So I broke out the old credit line thru Yamaha. Ordered set of DMC Force4's, PC111, GTYR intake and raz2 for the rear tires. :clap: :clap: :nana: :clap: :clap:
if u have never seen them in person or installed them then u can not have a good opinion on them.....
im am not putting down BARKERS but they could learn a few things from DMC :rofl:
IF a company does not upgrade their product when competition if putting out stuff on a higher level then they will not be around long.... looking forward to seeing what new from BARKERS in the next coming year!
I too agree that one mans opinion is just that....But I can also say that I know Dan wasnt lying about the characteristics of the pipes. And, to me, its obvious that some of the minor characteristics of the DMCs are better than those same characteristics of the Barkers. He didnt just say "I think the DMCs are better" He pointed out some differences that gave them a bit of an edge in the fit and finish category..And I personally say that I agree.
My personal Duals preference goes in this order:
1) Barkers
2) DMC Force 4s
3) Monsters