Running with TrxOutlawz on the the Salt Flats during the Make-A-Wish ride and my 700 made a funny rattle and quit running.
Looks like the Wiseco piston broke and took out the my Bo sleeved cylinder, Crank and valves.
Looks like it is time to put a Hot Rods 5mm Crank in with a CP 11:1 Piston
KBR had a crank in stock for me. Thanks again Kam
Bad pic from phone.
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Any idea what the cause was?
It's contagious Preddy, I told you mine wasn't my fault, lol.
I am really questioning the strength of the wiseco pistons. I was running along at about 85 with TrxOutlawz and it just nosed over and then rattled for a second till I grabbed the clutch. I was running at WOT for a couple of minutes before I let up on the gas then it died.
Im starting to fear Wiseco pistons. :'(
Quote from: air on August 12, 2008, 06:44:15 PM
Looks like the Wiseco piston broke and took out the my Bo sleeved cylinder, Crank and valves.
Any upgrades planned for the head
the only thing I would consider Wiseco pistons for is a "PAPER WIEGHT"
They are junk, My bro' YFZ had it, and it cost him completly new top end and a carnk as well.
OK, maybe for a Banshee but nothing else.
damn dude.. that really sucks.
Damn, some people will do anything for a new piston and stroker crank....... :P
Hurry up and order the rest of your parts so we can get it cleaned up and put back together and go ride.
Sorry for the bad luck. Hope the next build lasts! :thumbs:
Quote from: TrxOutlawz on August 13, 2008, 12:18:54 PM
Damn, some people will do anything for a new piston and stroker crank....... :P
Hurry up and order the rest of your parts so we can get it cleaned up and put back together and go ride.
Everything ordered.
5mm stroker crank
CP 11:1 Piston
Hoping for the mid 60's with the goodies I have now
sucks that you had to break something to upgrade tho...
Quote from: exentix on August 14, 2008, 08:35:58 PM
sucks that you had to break something to upgrade tho...
thats how i usually do it...
Quote from: Livingmylife93 on August 14, 2008, 08:38:05 PM
Quote from: exentix on August 14, 2008, 08:35:58 PM
sucks that you had to break something to upgrade tho...
thats how i usually do it...
dunno about you guys but i try not to break stuff haha
Quote from: air on August 14, 2008, 08:25:25 PM
Everything ordered.
5mm stroker crank
CP 11:1 Piston
Hoping for the mid 60's with the goodies I have now
Here we go again. If this works as good as it sounds like it will, I am going to have to come up with some money for new parts... :thumbs:
Wiseco pistons have cost some of my friends some top ends too :(
I actually think it turned out pretty good, that piston was originally in my engine and raced MX back on 2006. First Wiseco failure Ive been apart of ever.
welcome BO!!!! :grin_nod:
Mine was stock and it pulled the rist pin out of the piston and bent the rod..I am now working on this combo +5 Hot Rod crank, 105mm CP Piston, stage 3 Hot Cam.. The piston is 11:1 but we will adjust it to 12:1.... The head is P&P.. Please let us know how your's go's and I will post on mine... oh and I am looking at 68 to 70rwhp. So far I have about $900 in it..
Quote from: Dales396LT4 on August 21, 2008, 06:08:19 PM
Mine was stock and it pulled the rist pin out of the piston and bent the rod..I am now working on this combo +5 Hot Rod crank, 105mm CP Piston, stage 3 Hot Cam.. The piston is 11:1 but we will adjust it to 12:1.... The head is P&P.. Please let us know how your's go's and I will post on mine... oh and I am looking at 68 to 70rwhp. So far I have about $900 in it..
Keep me updated on this build. I'm interested to see what that +4 crank does for you. I have a similar build. and 68-70rwhp would be awesome! 8)
+5 Crank buddy, not +4 :thumbs:
Was that the one that was on sale for that killer price?
Quote from: preddy08 on August 22, 2008, 07:56:56 AM
+5 Crank buddy, not +4 :thumbs:
my bad. fat fingered. 8)
Air, why don't you go tp a 12.5:1 piston? For our altitude you should be able to run pump gas. Unless that stroker crank has something to do with it.
The strocker crank adds about a point of compression.
Quote from: preddy08 on August 22, 2008, 12:55:30 PM
The strocker crank adds about a point of compression.
+1 Yea what he said
I think it is more like .7 The CP piston is 11:1 but it is realy only 10.75:1 So that makes it 11.45:1 then if you cut the head or the jug you will go up from there...
AIR, is your s a GYTR like mine?
No mine is just a plane old 06 white and silver. Old as in second production Run.
Cool,, Did you get any parts in? Are you going to do the work or are you going to farm it out?
Quote from: Dales396LT4 on August 22, 2008, 08:26:43 PM
Cool,, Did you get any parts in? Are you going to do the work or are you going to farm it out?
The parts are in, I picked up my valves at KBR today. :clap:
I am putting it back together this weekend. :thumbs:
I am a mechanic with 25 years Exp so I usually do not farm a lot out.
Me too, I have the bottem end done. I just need my piston from TQS, sending Bo the jug on monday.. I work for the Army, I make Old HUMMERs like new...
I have it almost back together. got it all bolted up and filled the radiator up and tried to start it. No start.
Cylinder was full of coolant. A little ding from the piston on the head is not allowing it to seal.
How the :mad: did I miss that?????
Tomorrow it goes to get surfaced and hopefully will be running by labor day. Oh well a bit more compression.
By the way a crank is a lot of work.
What valves are you running?
Stock size kibble white's
May want to think twice about them. Just some fyi
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I have never had bad luck with them on other builds.
But that sucks.
After going through the damage and the way the piston looks and the condition of the circlips,
I think a circlip broke and is what started the damage.
The wiseco clips were a lot easier to install than the CP. Man those things suck.
I have never had problems before either. But this is 1 of 7 that I know of in the last few months. I know when it goes back together it will not have KW in it. I havent settled on a valve yet but I will after extensive research. Like I said just some FYI. It will be too late if it breaks. Mine did around 1500 damage to my engine
Quote from: 1FST690 on August 25, 2008, 07:37:42 PM
I have never had problems before either. But this is 1 of 7 that I know of in the last few months. I know when it goes back together it will not have KW in it. I havent settled on a valve yet but I will after extensive research. Like I said just some FYI. It will be too late if it breaks. Mine did around 1500 damage to my engine
You ever thought about having some valves made. I had some +2 valves made for a predator for 55 bucks a piece! They look really nice!! They also have titanium springs
http://www.rdvalvespring.com/index.html
I went with Ferrea valves and springs, hopefully they work out well. I just got my crank bearing and case gaskets in today, will be starting on the crank tomorrow. It definitely looks like it's going to take awhile. Sounds like we are all building very similar builds. I'm hoping Bo gets my cylinder done and to me by Thursday, just might be able to get it together and do some racing this weekend. And that is a +5 buddy, some of us need every millimeter we can get :rofl:
Who's that goofy lookin basturd squating in between those two turds?
Quote from: troywcc on August 25, 2008, 09:05:16 PM
Who's that SEXY lookin STUD squating in between those two bad ass bikes?
There I fixed the quote to better reflect the weekend at Walden. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: That's actually exactly what I meant to say.... Thanks for fixing that for me, lol.
Quote from: preddy08 on August 25, 2008, 07:43:26 PM
Quote from: 1FST690 on August 25, 2008, 07:37:42 PM
I have never had problems before either. But this is 1 of 7 that I know of in the last few months. I know when it goes back together it will not have KW in it. I havent settled on a valve yet but I will after extensive research. Like I said just some FYI. It will be too late if it breaks. Mine did around 1500 damage to my engine
You ever thought about having some valves made. I had some +2 valves made for a predator for 55 bucks a piece! They look really nice!! They also have titanium springs
http://www.rdvalvespring.com/index.html
I am giving serious consideration to having some Ferrea valves made in the "super alloy" in hollow stem. I just need to get the time during the day to call them and ask them some questions about reliability and service interval. I ont mind tearing it down a few times a season, but to break a valve after 6 race passes is pure bullshit. I also dont want to have to replace a set of valves after every race either.
After a quick trip to KBR to pick up a new head gasket and to the machine shop for some machine work, it finally runs. :clap: :clap:
Right on, let us know how it runs!!
Quote from: air on August 25, 2008, 10:05:29 PM
After a quick trip to KBR to pick up a new head gasket and to the machine shop for some machine work, it finally runs. :clap: :clap:
Ok, now we need a test and tune day at the dunes.............. :clap:
Quote from: TrxOutlawz on August 25, 2008, 10:19:33 PM
Quote from: air on August 25, 2008, 10:05:29 PM
After a quick trip to KBR to pick up a new head gasket and to the machine shop for some machine work, it finally runs. :clap: :clap:
Ok, now we need a test and tune day at the dunes.............. :clap:
:thumbs: :thumbs:
I am in for the test and tune, I think!!! :clap:
Quote from: trixxer on August 26, 2008, 08:05:45 AM
I am in for the test and tune, I think!!! :clap:
Little Sahara, Sunday 31st ???
Quote from: TrxOutlawz on August 26, 2008, 12:05:58 PM
Quote from: trixxer on August 26, 2008, 08:05:45 AM
I am in for the test and tune, I think!!! :clap:
Little Sahara, Sunday 31st ???
Got my kitchen pass, I am good to go for this Sunday!!! :thumbs: :grin_nod:
I had some seating problems with my ferreas but I suspect the work not the part. Never used kibblewhite valves, broke half of my springs but they lasted a couple years.
Coming late to the thread I know but sorry to hear about your troubles Air.
Looking at the "extra" parts in my engine I would bet that I had a :mad: circlip fail.
It looks like one circlip broke and the pin moved to one side and then broke the piston.
I do know that the wiseco circlips were a lot easier to install than their CP counterparts.
Those were a sob to get in.
A :mad: 50 cent item cost me a few hundred.
Quote from: air on August 26, 2008, 05:43:03 PM
Looking at the "extra" parts in my engine I would bet that I had a :mad: circlip fail.
It looks like one circlip broke and the pin moved to one side and then broke the piston.
I do know that the wiseco circlips were a lot easier to install than their CP counterparts.
Those were a sob to get in.
A :mad: 50 cent item cost me a few hundred.
CP circlips are stiff MOFOs!!! Not fun, but worth it in the end. Nicholas cycles circlips for there custom predator pistons are about half again thicker then the standard CP circlip. Imagine how fun those are.
I'm curious why putting all of the effort and expense into a +5 crank ? I would think adding a +8 that has been proven to be very dependable, would be like "free horsepower".
Grant
Quote from: digitalhearing on August 27, 2008, 03:18:50 PM
I'm curious why putting all of the effort and expense into a +5 crank ? I would think adding a +8 that has been proven to be very dependable, would be like "free horsepower".
Grant
Its the cost that I think is holding him back. That and they back to back dyno runs that KBR has done is just a nail in the coffin.
Cost and availability was a factor as this was an unplanned upgrade. KBR is getting good numbers out of this crank. and for less than 350 for a 5 mil is more cost effective than 700 for a 8 mil.
That is definately a substantial savings of $350 bucks. Now it makes sence. Let us know how it runs :grin_nod:
Grant
As soon as the FCI intake is here and installed it is going to KBR for some tuning.
I am going out to Little Sahara on Sunday for a day trip.
That's exactly the case for me as well, I didn't want to go stroker until my crank seized up and I priced a new stocker and the different strokers. It makes sense to go with the +5 for about the same cash as a stock replacement. I just got my cases split tonight, will have the crank in in the morning. By the way Racer's Edge is saving my ass on this build and having me running by the weekend. I called them today because my piston and cylinder wasn't going to be done in time and they got me a cylinder, piston, and shaved it down to where we wanted it and it will be here tomorrow. That's twice in a row they have stepped to the plate at the very last minute for me to get me going for a weekend. These guys are the best customer service in the industry bar none. That and the fact that their shit rocks puts them at the top of the heap in my book. Thanks guys.
GOOD NEWS!! Yay :clap: :clap: At least someone is coming through for you :thumbs:
Way to go Racers Edge :thumbs: I love fast customer service.
Grant
Wow, from all the reading I have been doing it sounds like this Racers Edge place is the guys I need to call to buy the parts for my winter project.
KBR is a great place also. :thumbs: Without Kam and Marty's help I still would be down. :clap:
They usually have what you need to build a 700.
They also put a lot of R & D time in to find the best combos and best of all they share their findings on here.