Thanks to FCI for allowing me to post these pics of the pre-production pictures of the new 700 Intake :thumbs:
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Its looking good,but im going to wait till someone makes a lid to fit the box.Its a bit pointless going to so much effort making a new intake tube and airbox and then not making a lid to fit :rofl: whats that all about ???
Quote from: shrimpy21 on July 17, 2008, 12:00:11 PM
Its looking good,but im going to wait till someone makes a lid to fit the box.Its a bit pointless going to so much effort making a new intake tube and airbox and then not making a lid to fit :rofl: whats that all about ???
I'm hoping "The Man" himself will be here soon to address your concerns ;)
Aaron
Quote from: Colorado700R on July 17, 2008, 12:01:12 PM
Quote from: shrimpy21 on July 17, 2008, 12:00:11 PM
Its looking good,but im going to wait till someone makes a lid to fit the box.Its a bit pointless going to so much effort making a new intake tube and airbox and then not making a lid to fit :rofl: whats that all about ???
I'm hoping "The Man" himself will be here soon to address your concerns ;)
Aaron
That will be good :clap: as im not getting rid of my Texas intake and protec lid till a good fitting lid is made for the FCI airbox.I understand this airbox is massive :lol:
I dont see why you would want a lid? to actaully get the gains from the intake or any intake you shouldnt run a lid at all. unless you plan on submerging your whole bike i dont seee any need. the box and the outerwear will provide enough protection against anything. Lids restrick airflow.
we have ran the Baja 1000 this way. no joke.
On Mmad's dyno I picked up 2hp alone from taking my stock air box lid off.... talk about cheap horsepower for 15 seconds of clips :clap:
Welcome, FCI! :thumbs:
I at first was very hesitant to remove my airbox lid due to where I ride.. (mud, water, deep water holes, ect...) And to this date I haven't had anything sucked through my intake / pre-filter on my K&N. If I was running my foam I'd be a bit more hesitant though.
The seat is so darn close to the top of the box it really is almost pointless to put a lid on. However for those of you that are freaking out I am going to have an outerware lid cover available.
Quote from: TechQuadShop on July 17, 2008, 01:44:30 PM
The seat is so darn close to the top of the box it really is almost pointless to put a lid on. However for those of you that are freaking out I am going to have an outerware lid cover available.
Better than that stock one right :mad:
Same design. Aaron maybe you could pm me the issue you had with yours so that I can address it and make sure we dont have the same problem. The z400 one and the yfz450 one have had zero issues but I have had numerous complaints about the stock 700 cover.
Quote from: FCI on July 17, 2008, 01:25:35 PM
I dont see why you would want a lid? to actaully get the gains from the intake or any intake you shouldnt run a lid at all. unless you plan on submerging your whole bike i dont seee any need. the box and the outerwear will provide enough protection against anything. Lids restrick airflow.
we have ran the Baja 1000 this way. no joke.
Welcome FCI.Here in the UK,we have Byways,which are like trails and there is some deep water in places with thick mud.We go through water upto 3 foot deep at quit some speed on the back wheels.Any way my protec lid even lets in a lot of water and have thought about going back to the OEM lid.The problem is the water gets up the side of the airbox hits the seat and drops into the box.After riding,i take the bung out of the bottom of the box and it runs like a tap for approx 5 seconds.This is the reason why i would like a good lid :thumbs:
Quote from: TechQuadShop on July 17, 2008, 01:46:48 PM
Same design. Aaron maybe you could pm me the issue you had with yours so that I can address it and make sure we dont have the same problem. The z400 one and the yfz450 one have had zero issues but I have had numerous complaints about the stock 700 cover.
Wilco :thumbs:
Quote from: TechQuadShop on July 17, 2008, 01:44:30 PM
The seat is so darn close to the top of the box it really is almost pointless to put a lid on. However for those of you that are freaking out I am going to have an outerware lid cover available.
That's how I feel as well. I know water still gets into my box. But I keep my plug out when I ride so it basically goes in and out.
How hard is it to suck water through a pre-filter for a K&N? ???
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Wow that filter looks huge :lol:
I can't wait to try it ;)
How close is the pipe to the filter on the right side? Any danger of melting the filter or outerwear?
its has plenty of room. we had 30 dyno runs yesterday. no melting. we left enough room for box also.
Nice work guys. Now this may be a dumb question but I've seen some k&n style filters where even the end cap is filter material. Would that make any difference with this set up?
we pefer to stay away from the open end style filters. we have tested them back to back and there isnt a difference. the inverted cone looks cool but is to far away to make a difference.
Quote from: FCI on July 18, 2008, 10:43:47 AM
we pefer to stay away from the open end style filters. we have tested them back to back and there isnt a difference. the inverted cone looks cool but is to far away to make a difference.
Thanks for clearing that up, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a difference.
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on July 18, 2008, 10:44:52 AM
Quote from: FCI on July 18, 2008, 10:43:47 AM
we pefer to stay away from the open end style filters. we have tested them back to back and there isnt a difference. the inverted cone looks cool but is to far away to make a difference.
Thanks for clearing that up, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a difference.
+1. That's funny, cuz' there's some other people/retailers that claim the inverted cone on the end of the filter is the next best thing since sliced bread
WHAT?!?!?! There's sliced bread?!?
Becuase the area I ride in is a super high dust area, is there a foam filter adaptable to the FCI?? If not perhaps a outwear type lid to catch a little more. I've found dust in my intake runner with the K&N :mad:
Here's the Dyno sheet for the FCI. Both Stock bikes with Curtis sparks exhaust and no airbox
FCI intake over Dasa adapter set-up :thumbs:
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on the filter bit, they would cost us the same amount to have them made and we choose to run the closed end cap. as far flow goes, we have flowed them both on our superflow and at amount of cfm you pull through ther filter with these engines there isnt any difference.
Will the filter and outerwear be available for those of us that like to have a spare ready to go?
Yes, we have spare filters and outerwears for sale. outerwear is 15 bucks and spare filters are 54 bucks
I don't know, I went with the FUEL ATV intake from my Trinity with no lid and I have had to add fuel and add fuel to an already rich map and there is a huge power difference. As far as plastic not breaking, here in North Dakota at -45 racing on the lake plastic WILL break.
Jay
Do you have any full kits(with airbox) in the first order not spoken for?
If so I want one.
We need a comparison with Fuel atv and FCI for sure :thumbs: ???
Quote from: J-HILT on July 19, 2008, 10:30:44 AM
We need a comparison with Fuel atv and FCI for sure :thumbs: ???
Yes, that would be nice. I am happy I went with the FUEL ATV but would like to see some unbias numbers just the same.
Jay
so would you guys agree that according to this dyno FCI is better for top end but not so much low end?
it all depends on the setup. we gain power over competitors from 6000 rpms on. It doesnt loose power down low it matches it.
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on July 18, 2008, 10:44:52 AM
Quote from: FCI on July 18, 2008, 10:43:47 AM
we pefer to stay away from the open end style filters. we have tested them back to back and there isnt a difference. the inverted cone looks cool but is to far away to make a difference.
Thanks for clearing that up, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a difference.
It may be because of the hp levels of these engines. Or the shape of the entry on this intake. I'm not picking a fight at all...... I will just say I have seen several dyno tests lately that show there is absolutely a difference between filters. These were independent tests, not done by the manufacturer. Substantial differences. ;)
Quote from: Kenny on August 23, 2008, 10:19:11 PM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on July 18, 2008, 10:44:52 AM
Quote from: FCI on July 18, 2008, 10:43:47 AM
we pefer to stay away from the open end style filters. we have tested them back to back and there isnt a difference. the inverted cone looks cool but is to far away to make a difference.
Thanks for clearing that up, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a difference.
It may be because of the hp levels of these engines. Or the shape of the entry on this intake. I'm not picking a fight at all...... I will just say I have seen several dyno tests lately that show there is absolutely a difference between filters. These were independent tests, not done by the manufacturer. Substantial differences. ;)
I saw the same on my buddies 797 at an idependant shop up here in Washington....the short Spectre velocity design filter outperfomed the closed end K&N by 2 full HP on that build. I saw very good results on my 780 as well with the spectre filter. I would love to try the FCI and plan on it when I can afford it. If it makes more power than what I have I'll run it. I'll try both their filter and my spectre on their intake tube as well. Which ever works best on mine is what I'll go with....I'm not married to the spectre if THe filter FCI uses on there tube out performes it. If it doesn't out perform the spectre velocity design, I'll sell the filter to someone who wants a spare. I think different builds see different results so there is no definitive answer to the question which filter works the best IMHO. I think the big difference is going to be in the intake tube itself, but thats just my personal hunch.
Is just the tube and filter combo with out the box going to be avalable at a lower cost for those that have no use for the airbox?
Randy
Quote from: RaptorRandy on August 24, 2008, 08:48:28 PM
Is just the tube and filter combo with out the box going to be avalable at a lower cost for those that have no use for the airbox?
Randy
Yes. I have the no airbox kit on order from Steve. The FCI is the last piece in my puzzle (well, for now anyway) and then it's off to the dyno, finally. Hopefully I have an evac valve by then as well. :poke:
Quote from: RaptorRandy on August 24, 2008, 08:48:28 PM
Quote from: Kenny on August 23, 2008, 10:19:11 PM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on July 18, 2008, 10:44:52 AM
Quote from: FCI on July 18, 2008, 10:43:47 AM
we pefer to stay away from the open end style filters. we have tested them back to back and there isnt a difference. the inverted cone looks cool but is to far away to make a difference.
Thanks for clearing that up, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a difference.
It may be because of the hp levels of these engines. Or the shape of the entry on this intake. I'm not picking a fight at all...... I will just say I have seen several dyno tests lately that show there is absolutely a difference between filters. These were independent tests, not done by the manufacturer. Substantial differences. ;)
I saw the same on my buddies 797 at an idependant shop up here in Washington....the short Spectre velocity design filter outperfomed the closed end K&N by 2 full HP on that build. I saw very good results on my 780 as well with the spectre filter. I would love to try the FCI and plan on it when I can afford it. If it makes more power than what I have I'll run it. I'll try both their filter and my spectre on their intake tube as well. Which ever works best on mine is what I'll go with....I'm not married to the spectre if THe filter FCI uses on there tube out performes it. If it doesn't out perform the spectre velocity design, I'll sell the filter to someone who wants a spare. I think different builds see different results so there is no definitive answer to the question which filter works the best IMHO. I think the big difference is going to be in the intake tube itself, but thats just my personal hunch.
Is just the tube and filter combo with out the box going to be avalable at a lower cost for those that have no use for the airbox?
Randy
Does the Spectra filter use oil like the K&N? DId you go back and forth with the filters when you tested them. Are you sure its not heat soak from one dyno run to the next. Ill do some dyno runs log everything and show you.
YOu are right, the tube is where the power is on our system. These filters that we use and what you guys are using are good for 1000+hp motors. Our bikes only use the first two inches of the filter. look at it the next time its dirty. you guys can use what ever filter you like it doesnt bother me. we will even give the option to run a foam if you like. ill even sell the kit with out a filter. Ill tell you this though our filters are hands down the best protecting and highest quality on the market in my opinion.
So, When, where and how do I get this setup? I have seen the preorder lists, lots of post about its almost here.. I havent heard from anyone yet. I am ready to buy one. When are you going to sell them?
they will be ready to ship this friday. :clap:
FCI, yes the spectre does use oil like the K&N
Quote from: FCI on August 25, 2008, 09:35:54 AM
they will be ready to ship this friday. :clap:
Outstanding, so how do I go about getting one sent to me? Where do I go to order?
FCI: I am interested in your statement about selling the box and tube seperate from the filter. How much is this?
And also about the foam filter... Did you dyno the difference between the included (K&N style) and the available/optional foam? (is it a name brand such as Uni/ no toil? Same size as the K&N style?)
I prefer foam filters because like stated earlier... I have found plenty of grit inside my tube with freshly oiled K&N's!
Quote from: TrxOutlawz on August 25, 2008, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: FCI on August 25, 2008, 09:35:54 AM
they will be ready to ship this friday. :clap:
Outstanding, so how do I go about getting one sent to me? Where do I go to order?
I received your pm on raptorforum and added you to the list. If you want to be one of the first call me with a credit card or we can discuss a paypal payment as well.
Quote from: TechQuadShop on August 25, 2008, 12:11:29 PM
Quote from: TrxOutlawz on August 25, 2008, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: FCI on August 25, 2008, 09:35:54 AM
they will be ready to ship this friday. :clap:
Outstanding, so how do I go about getting one sent to me? Where do I go to order?
I received your pm on raptorforum and added you to the list. If you want to be one of the first call me with a credit card or we can discuss a paypal payment as well.
Thanks,
PM sent............
Anyone have a pic of the FCI Intake w/foam filter installed?
Quote from: Bert on October 11, 2008, 08:25:11 AM
Anyone have a pic of the FCI Intake w/foam filter installed?
I don't believe there is a foam filter for the FCI at all :thumbs:
Well there wouldnt be a problem super-imposing a foam filter onto the FCI intake tube... Just have to find the right diameter. They exist in that size, so all anyone has to do is order one up (from uni or twin). The filters are actually pretty cheap @ about 25 each. Can get two of them to always have one fresh in a ziplock!
what kind of gains would i see with this intake over my trinity with K&N? and does the box restrict it any? because i would be running the one with the box.
there is no hp loss from going with the air box kit...i tested them back to back :thumbs:
Quote from: DL700 on December 14, 2008, 06:00:45 PM
there is no hp loss from going with the air box kit...i tested them back to back :thumbs:
could you tell me if there is any gain over my trinity that i have now?
on your set up u would not see a huge gain from the FCI intake in peak power...maybe up to 1 hp more.....but the benifit of the FCI intake is tuning it to work at higher rpm's and carry the power out longer....this works great on modified motors up around 55 hp and higher that use the higher rpm's...besides that it is cosmetically appealing and has a BIG high quality filter
ok well i guess i will hold off on it until i decide to do something with the internals.