Quote O' The Day

[Krandall]

[Today at 12:41:39 PM] Hefe: if you do gay stuff .. in VR... you're not really gay

[Hefe]

[Peelz]

"experimenting"

[Hefe]

totally!

[Krandall]

[April 18, 2016, 08:51:17 PM] Mad Dog: Krandall, luv u bae


[April 18, 2016, 08:52:40 PM] Mad Dog: android fucking breaks, hangs, locks up, and forks.  I can't get an OS update on any of my android phones and the apps are full of spyware that phones home.  At least on apple I can limit each app individually.
[April 18, 2016, 08:53:38 PM] Mad Dog: give me control of app permissions instead of making me agree or not install, give me access to OS updates, and learn what encryption is and we can talk.

Lets see... Where to even start.
Current up-time on my phone, 214 hours. So I don't think that's an issue.
Hangs up, locks up and forks: Have I had my phone freeze? Yep! Have I seen Nicoles phone freeze (6s 64GB). Yep!
Cant get an OS update on any of your phones: I don't think that's an android issue but what kind of phone you bought/carrier issue. If you were completely worried about updates, you'd end up with a Nexus.
Apps are full of spyware: come on mad dog. This is 2016... Unless you're a person who's also getting TONS of spyware on their PC.. I don't really think this is an issue. BUT, to androids defense. This is both a plus and minus of how they designed their app store.
Give me control of app permissions: This is there/new in Marshmallow.
Learn what encryption is: Now this one feels like a low blow. Do you mean encryption out of the box/turned on by default or something else? My phones have all been encrypted since my 2nd Android phone. It's not on by default but it's nearly always been an option. I have no idea how long iOS has allowed it?

TL;DR
If you gave me these arguments 4 years ago, I wouldn't disagree.

[Peelz]

lol the phone rage still....  the struggle is real. 

my 6s plus has only froze up one time.    conversely, My Xerox tech, his galaxy s(whatevahdafukversion) has also froze up one time. we got them the same weekend... so.... non issue..  buy the device you like. use it.      

Then there's the customer service.... which, in MY OPINION... Apple crushes. And was the tipping point for me when we decided to go with apple, after ditching the lovely lil' crackberries. Colin spent 400 dollars on in app purchases on an ipod he took from his moms purse lol. they refunded, and cracked some jokes while doing it..  Cust. service still holds true today.

case in point: I had a Recent apple tv purchasing problem... we have two of them, now, and their security protocol shut one down... This happened twice on successive weekends. First was chat via phone. Took all of 3 minutes while I was BBQ'ing and drinking a beer. The following weekend, I called, hoping to fix for good... It  turned into a fantastic  conversation with a nerd of epic proportions explaining the sizes of their servers... and describing the room theyre in. How much power it takes to cool them.. And the guy happened to be from my home town.

Like I said, pick whatcha like or need. MY choice is based on experience... phones thenmselves, i think theyre all pretty much the same-I know We've come a long way from the original droid we had... which was a brick of crap.  but now, ios works for us, no need to fix it.

[Krandall]

Man alive. That whole "refund the purchases" bs.
No idea still to this day why they would refund people for their kids buying stuff.

Nothing like holding no one accountable for their own pit falls or idiocy(Not directed entirely at you... ) but for serious. That's not good customer support, that's just enabling people to be irresponsible.

[Peelz]

Man alive. That whole "refund the purchases" bs.
No idea still to this day why they would refund people for their kids buying stuff.

Nothing like holding no one accountable for their own pit falls or idiocy(Not directed entirely at you... ) but for serious. That's not good customer support, that's just enabling people to be irresponsible.

lol.

agree....sort of.

It was a BRAND new ipod touch that was going to be his bday present. I hadnt finished setting it up. turn off in app purchases.

Best part was, when I asked for refund, or at least that they tell me what he actually bought if refund not possible (since it was our fault, honestly)... the apple guy flat out told me "we'll let it slide ONE time, the next time, you're on your own"

its apparently a policy. 

[Hefe]

one thing that was not mentioned here....

Randy uses a sweet Galaxy s6 edge... not exactly a POS..

most of the problems I've seen stem from low quality phones running Android, not the good quality ones.

I wish (and I'm sure they soon will) Apple would use the charging pads like Samsung has, it would be nice to just drop that bitch on the charging pad and forget it!


NOW....
from my standpoint (the repair guy)
I feel Apple has everyone beat from the connector standpoint, the lightning connector RARELY goes bad, and when it does (usually from dirt and such), it is an easy swap, takes me like 20 minutes.. if that long.

when MANY of the other (non apple) phones have a charging port go bad, I have to break out my micro-soldering skillz, as far as I know, my store is the only place in 100 miles that even does microscopic soldering!  So I thank them for that!
seriously, that micro-usb is shit! .. it is so easily broken.. just garbage

the screens in Apple phones are way the FERK easier to swap out than MOST Android phones (and often cheaper to buy)
so from a REPAIR standpoint.. Apple>Android (most times)

now from a user standpoint.. I really can't provide a fair choice since I don't use my phone for shit.. ever!
you guys must think I'm joking when I say my phone is at 90% at the end of the day..
I come to work.. throw it on the desk and maybe return like 5 texts through the day.. and go home.. that's about all I use it for..
sometimes check gas prices with GasBuddy (if I need gas.. like now)

Maddog...
I am not on some sort of high-horse or trying to stick it to the man..
I could rant for days about how shitty all of it is... blah  blah...

I just don't want another reason to have to use my damn phone...
I don't enjoy my phone, I don't want to use it more than I need to.
I have to have it so my ex-wife can reach me in the event of Spencer needing me
and if Starla needs me of course.. mom, brother.. etc..
the occasional funny from Peels or Randy or you.. that's just a bonus!
My dumb-ass cousin posting churchy shit on FB is NOT something I want or need in my life
or my Niece (I do love her.. a lot) .. babbling on and on about horses.. or sending me Memes with puppies... NO THANKS!

but when I go out in the garage and grab some wrenches... I don't want my phone blowing up unless it's important..
Casey has his damn phone attached to him all the time.. and I friggin hate that!
The Apple watch has really helped me with that.. quick glance at my watch tells me if it is Important or not.. I choose to answer or ignore without going to my phone.. pretty nice for that!

Randy, I realize you have no reference point on how kids can surprise you at every turn.. so I'll give you a pass on that...

Companies like Apple or Charter/Comcast have those policies in effect for THAT very reason..
kids can be sneaky or curious and buy shit just because they don't understand it costs real money, or (like Spencer) have no concept of money

of course we have passwords and safeguards set up, but when he is more techy than his mom.. it has been fairly easy for him to get around her.. he even bought porn once!
then 3 minutes later.. he bought blues clues!
(that how Charter knew it was a kid doing it, and reversed the charges)
so, I for one think it's fantastic that they have those policies set up
FERK.. we didn't even know what an "in-app" purchase was!
Kid plays a game.. the Ad says.. want more cool stuff.. kid says YES!! bam... in app purchase!
the App developers know this.. that's why they do it!
some people just don't know or give 2 shits about tech stuff.. and for you to somehow imply that makes them a bad parent is shitty
Peels is (IMO) doing a pretty bang up job as a Dad, and just because his kid snuck one past him doesn't constitute idiocy or a Pit fall (awesome Atari game BTW)
The Pealer kids are very fortunate to have such a good dad!

I know first hand how creative kids can be.. mine doesn't talk, but he knows how to get what he wants
and between Dr. appointments, Occ therapy, Speech therapy, School, Daycare, and everything else that is Parenting.. shit will sneak past you!
and I think Apple, Google, Charter, Comcast are pretty cool for having that policy!

one day soon, you will have just checked on your kid.. and he/she will have been quietly playing.. 2 minutes later the wall and crib will be smeared with shit and it will be everywhere!!! then you will understand!
Kids are like the ocean.. Never turn your back on them!

[Peelz]

wow that was lots of words. but... *Sniffle..... i saw the nice thing you said. 

yes. I really hadn't even figured out that in app purchasing was even a "thing" yet.  I learned fast. LOL That night I was planning on looking into that sort of thing.... CERTAINLY didnt think buying whtavah ddafuk you want without question would be default! LOL then got blown up with apple receipt emails...Totalled 400 or something.  I remember telling the kid on the phone, for $400, I should get admin rights to that app. HE was like "i can probably make that happen, but thats another phone call"

turned out all COlin got was special "eggs" in a game called penguin race. Made your little guy slide faster...jump higher etc... he was 4. And didnt know.  lol he still feels bad about. We sat him down, had a long talk.... and they always before they download stuff. BUt I have it setup where if they download something, it goes straight to muh phone.... and you can tell when they're not in school. 20 free game apps just be poppin up. wtf kids. LOL.

Pitfall is the SHIT.  But.... charging pads are dark magic. LOL

Hefe speaks genius. Rando. and when it happens, well be here to mock you.

"one day soon, you will have just checked on your kid.. and he/she will have been quietly playing.. 2 minutes later the wall and crib will be smeared with shit and it will be everywhere!!! then you will understand!
Kids are like the ocean.. Never turn your back on them!"


My sisters younger daughter... shes a total free spirit, no fuks given kinda kid. And I love her to death.. but my gerd... I wouldnt want to raise her.  Sis does a baking business out of her house, she was making a wedding cake. eyes off kid 20 minutes-watching disney channel. house goes quiet... the kid was GONE! missing for 45 minutes.

found her 2 blocks away buttnekkid playing in neighbors sprinkler. clothes in the street.

we were all terrified, but seriously. LMMFAO. soon, Randy...soon.

[Mad Dog]

Hangs up, locks up and forks: Have I had my phone freeze? Yep! Have I seen Nicoles phone freeze (6s 64GB). Yep!

I've had a work iphone 5 for just shy of 2 years, a personal iphone 5s for about 6-7 months.  I can count on one hand the times I've had to manually restart them because something froze up.  Meanwhile my last android (LG Volt) this was so common an occurrence it's what caused me to buy the personal iphone.

Cant get an OS update on any of your phones: I don't think that's an android issue but what kind of phone you bought/carrier issue. If you were completely worried about updates, you'd end up with a Nexus.

unless you have a flagship phone it doesn't matter what manufacturer or carrier you use.  I had LG, HTC, and one or two more I can't remember and for each the updates are rarely available for a single point update let alone a full update.  The HTC (work phone) was a flagship when gingerbread came out, didn't get an upgrade either.

Apps are full of spyware: come on mad dog. This is 2016... Unless you're a person who's also getting TONS of spyware on their PC.. I don't really think this is an issue. BUT, to androids defense. This is both a plus and minus of how they designed their app store.

My PC is always at home and I can unplug my webcam or disable devices, my phone is with me and has a microphone and GPS which can be always on.  That's why it's important and there are TONS of seemingly legitimate apps that still throw in ads and ask for access to things they have no need for.  This is why, to this day, I dont' install FB or any related material on any of my phones, even the iphone.

Give me control of app permissions: This is there/new in Marshmallow.

Brand new and only for the latest phones.  got a 6 month old phone?  Doesn't have marshmallow and, like I said before, won't fucking update.

Learn what encryption is: Now this one feels like a low blow. Do you mean encryption out of the box/turned on by default or something else? My phones have all been encrypted since my 2nd Android phone. It's not on by default but it's nearly always been an option. I have no idea how long iOS has allowed it?

I mean that android phones almost never have the hardware on hand to handle the encryption so instead of dedicated silicon accelerating the process and access android phones dump it on to the CPU for a nasty performance penalty, even for my LG Volt that had a quad core processor.

TL;DR
If you gave me these arguments 4 years ago, I wouldn't disagree.

I can believe that it is better at the top of the heap but for someone like me who chooses to invest less in their phone and plan the problems are still real IME.  I'd rather pay ~$200 for an older flagship iphone because a similarly priced old flagship android won't solve these issues.

Maddog...
I am not on some sort of high-horse or trying to stick it to the man..
I could rant for days about how shitty all of it is... blah  blah...

I just don't want another reason to have to use my damn phone...
I don't enjoy my phone, I don't want to use it more than I need to.
I have to have it so my ex-wife can reach me in the event of Spencer needing me
and if Starla needs me of course.. mom, brother.. etc..
the occasional funny from Peels or Randy or you.. that's just a bonus!
My dumb-ass cousin posting churchy shit on FB is NOT something I want or need in my life
or my Niece (I do love her.. a lot) .. babbling on and on about horses.. or sending me Memes with puppies... NO THANKS!

but when I go out in the garage and grab some wrenches... I don't want my phone blowing up unless it's important..
Casey has his damn phone attached to him all the time.. and I friggin hate that!
The Apple watch has really helped me with that.. quick glance at my watch tells me if it is Important or not.. I choose to answer or ignore without going to my phone.. pretty nice for that!

You don't have to check it like a fricking teenager, once a day to see the snaps or to post one would be fine.  I go 2+ days before seeing stuff from Peels/Randy at times but I still get to see it, that's the point; we all share in the experience even if it's 12-24 hours later.

Peels,

Yes I have two of these headsets so I always have a freshly charged one waiting in the wings.  I wear it from the time I leave my apt/hotel in the morning until I get back to go to bed and can be anywhere from 6-20 hours.  It is quite literally a lifesaver on the road not having to look or reach for a phone while driving 70mph  but simply to press the thing in my ear.  I'm no traveling salesman but I still average about 35k miles a year on the road.  I have conference calls that are between 20 and 90 minutes long every other day.  I typically have to make upwards of 8 calls a day to my home office and countless more to contractors and suppliers for coordination and support.  All this while I'm expected to get shit done in front of me which often includes typing on a computer (much faster w/ 2 hands), moving from room to room or device to device, or checking wiring and/or voltages with meters.  Add to this that cell phones get hot and dirty held up to your head and that you're getting a much bigger dose of radiation and I feel as though using a headset is the most efficient way of getting through my day.  I don't believe this makes me "self-important" because I'm trying to do more than one thing at a time.  Sure there are certain instances when you can't take a call but the use of the earpiece doesn't change the social norms, if it's not polite to be holding the phone to your ear it's no more polite to be on the earpiece.

With that, I'm glad I was able to interact with you all today.  While I may have ruffled a few feathers it's surely more engaging than sharing a few imgur links though perhaps a bit less "funny" but enjoyable in another way to have stimulating conversation with people you respect.

[Hefe]

I have one around here too..
and I admit it is douchy to wear it when it's not needed, I found it priceless on service calls when my phone had to stay out of the IT room to get signal, I could wander back in the room to check something, super handy!
and of course while driving.. great stuff...
but I always took it off while not ON the call

[Peelz]

LOL MD.



Even if you had it on... which isnt the issue, because you dont strike me as the douchy type... who would look me in the face, then talk on your device.

They are absolutely useful when driving.

My aversion to them can be traced back to the flight to Rochester NY for Kodak training. circa 2006.. Business suited-greasy haired guy across the aisle... stewardess asks him to remove it... hes actually talking on it, blue led on. He looks at her disaprovingly, and says "no thanks- ill leave it on, its just turned off"

and so now, I associate that assbag with the earpiece lol

I dislike them so much, that when My beloved wireless motorola earbuds died, and motorola offered me a FREE BT earpiece PLS cash difference(mine are discontinued) i was like f**K YOU! 

[Hefe]

douchy... or douchie?

[Peelz]

douchy... or douchie?

either way, you should pass it on the left hand side.