Obama's latest Energy Tax Bill......

Started by Krandall, July 01, 2009, 09:24:35 AM

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Krandall

Obama's latest comment on his energy tax bill also known as "Cap & Trade" is... (Ready....)

"This will not place an unobtainable burden on the American Taxpayer."

Does the average person really understand what that statement really means????

It reminds me of Nixon back in the 70s when he said something like this, "I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I hope you realize that what you heard was not what I meant."


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Mad Dog

Before I reply with my thoughts....what is your complaint?  The use of the word "unobtainable", the grammatical correctness of the statement, or simply the clarity of the purpose and intent of the statement?

Krandall

How about both?

Unobtainable, I thought was funny. and the purpose of the whole bill...

I understand the whole buy american..  if we do put tariffs on non-environmentally friendly countries, where will we be able to buy the energy we need for our country to function?

To me, seems as though it's just pushing inflation that much more. woot.


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Remember the movie "core"....Unobtanium... ;)

Krandall

Never saw it. Just read about it, sounds intense. :lol:


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbtEj...layer_embedded

Not even the Energy Czarina Carol Browner has read it.
She'll know better than to appear again on FNC:

    STEVE DOOCY: " know the bill is over 1,000 pages long. Have you have read it?"

    CAROL BROWNER: "Oh, I'm very familiar with this bill."

    DOOCY: "Have you have read it?"

    BROWNER: "We have obviously been watching this for a very long time. I am very..."

    DOOCY: "I'm sure you've got an idea of it, but you have read it?"

    BROWNER: "I've read major portions of it, absolutely."

    DOOCY: "So the answer no you haven't read it. But you've read a big chunk of it."

    BROWNER: "No, no, no that's not fair. That's absolutely not fair."

    DOOCY: "No, I'm just asking you if you read the thousand pages."

    BROWNER: "I've read vast portions of it."

    DOOCY: "Ok."
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When you're that high up you have people under you read it for you.  You tell them what to put in, then you have someone else check it reflects what you specified.  Imagine how little a President or other high up officials would get done if they had to read every bill cover to cover that gets put up for debate or a vote.

That's just an example of a cheap hack on cable news tv getting a jab in.

Colorado700R

Quote from: Mad Dog on July 01, 2009, 01:35:25 PM
When you're that high up you have people under you read it for you.  You tell them what to put in, then you have someone else check it reflects what you specified.  Imagine how little a President or other high up officials would get done if they had to read every bill cover to cover that gets put up for debate or a vote.

That's just an example of a cheap hack on cable news tv getting a jab in.

That's very true MD :thumbs:

However, I do believe this is part of the apathy spreading among our high-level officials.

No, they can't read EVERYTHING that comes across your desk, but the stuff that has your signature at the bottom and goes before congress better be one of the few that are read cover to cover.  

We testify before congressional groups all the time.  Every inch of what we present is painstakenly critiqued.

disco

Yeah, agreed.  You would have to read 24/7 just to stay abreast of it all.  Nevermind eating/sleeping/life. Everybody throws their own 2 cents in and it gets out of hand quick though.

10 minutes long but you can skip around, this guy makes good points all through it.  He (more likely his people) went through it and highlighted a lot of junk in it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1lC4u8NLoc

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Peelz

I understand it. It is meant to be ambivalent. :lol: Basically saying It is going to suck, but not suck that bad. :lol:

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Colorado700R

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Kenny

This is supposed to raise average energy costs $.50 per day or as much as $35.00 per person/year. Unless you have a R  at the end of your title, then it is $3500 per year.......No need to get things confused with decimal points and such.

I think where the problem comes in is naming the whole phenomena "global warming" which is way to literal for idiots. If they had named it "craziest weather we've seen in years", everyone would be in full agreement.

Does anyone remember the crazy weather patterns attributed to El Niño and La Niña? Nobody ever argued that because it wasn't used as a political platform. All of these extreme pundits on both sides care nothing about what is good for the people in the middle.

Something is happening, and I am no environmentalist by any stretch. There are too many kids with asthma and other health problems, but what blows my mind is even a dog doesn't shit where he eats. So why not clean it up?

Here are the differences in the parties as I see them.

Both parties want big government. One wants to have government control over money matters and distribution and the other wants to make sure you only have sex in the missionary position with the lights off, and you carry your government approved bible.

Democrats take from the middle class to give to the poor, and Republicans take from the middle class to give to the rich.

What we need is a bunch of people that do their job! And when you see a program isn't working, CHANGE IT! :confused:
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Colorado700R

Quote from: Kenny on July 01, 2009, 02:45:56 PM
This is supposed to raise average energy costs $.50 per day or as much as $35.00 per person/year. Unless you have a R  at the end of your title, then it is $3500 per year


:rofl:

Peelz

Quote from: Kenny on July 01, 2009, 02:45:56 PM

Both parties want big government. One wants to have government control over money matters and distribution and the other wants to make sure you only have sex in the missionary position with the lights off, and you carry your government approved bible.

Democrats take from the middle class to give to the poor, and Republicans take from the middle class to give to the rich.

What we need is a bunch of people that do their job! And when you see a program isn't working, CHANGE IT! :confused:


and quit bitching. Great post Kenny.  :thumbs:
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