Re: Off Topic Bullsh*t Thread Volume XI

[Krandall]

you guys hear about palins yahoo acct. hacked? 

What kind of gov't official uses YAHOO MAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!

A lipstick wearing pig.



Former Soccer Mom.

Yeah, she's qualified to lead the country. Send top secret email via Yahoo.



~Brian

Wow!  Thats straight party line hate.  Most of washington has some form of personal mail on accounts.  Shocking that you guys make such a big deal about nothing.  I have a senator's email from michigan....GMAIL. 

I'm not against any one using a personal mail acct for personal stuff more power to them actually to separate home from work.. but did you read some of those e-mails? That was not personal life information floating though yahoo servers. That was straight up political crap...

[preddy08]

That was such an educated reply.   


Sad, this coming from the same person bitching about your riding areas closing down.  Thanks for voting in the people that made it happen.   

Wow that was such a dickhead post

If you want to talk educated politics, then start a new thread. I'll gladly join you in there, untill then chill its the off-topic area.

Sorry for making a light hearted remark about your party. I'll try to refrain from bringing up any sort of politics from now on.

[socalrappy700]

you guys hear about palins yahoo acct. hacked? 

What kind of gov't official uses YAHOO MAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!

A lipstick wearing pig.



Former Soccer Mom.

Yeah, she's qualified to lead the country. Send top secret email via Yahoo.



~Brian

Wow!  Thats straight party line hate.  Most of washington has some form of personal mail on accounts.  Shocking that you guys make such a big deal about nothing.  I have a senator's email from michigan....GMAIL. 

I'm not against any one using a personal mail acct for personal stuff more power to them actually to separate home from work.. but did you read some of those e-mails? That was not personal life information floating though yahoo servers. That was straight up political crap...

Some of those emails were made up.  And you can't access government email from home.

[socalrappy700]

That was such an educated reply.   


Sad, this coming from the same person bitching about your riding areas closing down.  Thanks for voting in the people that made it happen.   

Wow that was such a dickhead post

If you want to talk educated politics, then start a new thread. I'll gladly join you in there, untill then chill its the off-topic area.

Sorry for making a light hearted remark about your party. I'll try to refrain from bringing up any sort of politics from now on.

Not trying to be a dick, but calling out your response. 

[Colorado700R]

you guys hear about palins yahoo acct. hacked? 

What kind of gov't official uses YAHOO MAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!

A lipstick wearing pig.



Former Soccer Mom.

Yeah, she's qualified to lead the country. Send top secret email via Yahoo.



~Brian

Wow!  Thats straight party line hate.  Most of washington has some form of personal mail on accounts.  Shocking that you guys make such a big deal about nothing.  I have a senator's email from michigan....GMAIL. 

I'm not against any one using a personal mail acct for personal stuff more power to them actually to separate home from work.. but did you read some of those e-mails? That was not personal life information floating though yahoo servers. That was straight up political crap...

Some of those emails were made up.  And you can't access government email from home.

Some can, special encryption and such 

[socalrappy700]

you guys hear about palins yahoo acct. hacked? 

What kind of gov't official uses YAHOO MAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!

A lipstick wearing pig.



Former Soccer Mom.

Yeah, she's qualified to lead the country. Send top secret email via Yahoo.



~Brian

Wow!  Thats straight party line hate.  Most of washington has some form of personal mail on accounts.  Shocking that you guys make such a big deal about nothing.  I have a senator's email from michigan....GMAIL. 

I'm not against any one using a personal mail acct for personal stuff more power to them actually to separate home from work.. but did you read some of those e-mails? That was not personal life information floating though yahoo servers. That was straight up political crap...

Some of those emails were made up.  And you can't access government email from home.

Some can, special encryption and such 

Very few, but yes there is a small number.

[Colorado700R]

Ok enough Political BS.  Here's something I hope we can all agree on.


This is a bunch of BS!!  What more could the guy do to earn the MOH?  Remeber this same cheese dick panel awarded the bronze star to Jessica lynch for running away and being captured  


No Medal Of Honor For Marine Who Saved Others

Some upset at lesser honor for sergeant who covered grenade

By Gregg Zoroya, USA Today

WASHINGTON — A rare decision by Defense Secretary Robert Gates to reject a Marine Corps recommendation that one of its heroes receive the Medal of Honor has angered Marines who say Sgt. Rafael Peralta sacrificed his life to save theirs.

Peralta's family was notified of the decision Wednesday by Lt. Gen. Richard Natonski, a top Marine Corps commander. Col. David Lapan, a Marine spokesman, said he was unaware of any recent award nomination that was denied in this way.

A Gates-appointed panel unanimously concluded that the report on Peralta's action did not meet the standard of "no margin of doubt or possibility of error," Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said. The argument about whether to award Peralta the nation's highest military honor centers on whether a mortally wounded Marine could have intentionally reached for the grenade after suffering a serious head wound.

For his actions during a Nov. 15, 2004, firefight in Fallujah, Iraq, Peralta will receive the Navy Cross, the service's second-highest award for valor. The citation said Peralta, 25, covered a live grenade thrown by insurgents.

"I don't want that medal," Peralta's mother, Rosa, said Wednesday. "I won't accept it. It doesn't seem fair to me."

The decision is "almost like somebody called me a liar," said Marine Sgt. Nicholas Jones, 25, who was with Peralta that day. Jones, a recruiter, said Peralta's actions have become part of Marine Corps lore, as drill sergeants and officer-candidate instructors repeat it to new Marines. "His name is definitely synonymous with valor," said Jones, who was wounded by the grenade blast.

"I know for a fact that I would have been killed ... and that my daughter, Sophia, our new baby, Sienna, would not be here or coming into the world. And that my son, Noah, would have grown up without knowing his dad," said Robert Reynolds, 31, a corrections officer and former Marine who was with Peralta that day.

In a Marine Corps investigation of the attack, Natonski said, "I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt" that the gravely wounded Peralta covered the grenade.

Natonski, commander of the U.S. Marine Corps Forces Command in Norfolk, Va., appeared disappointed by the news he brought the family, said David Donald, Rosa Peralta's son-in-law. "He felt like Rafael deserved the Medal of Honor," Donald said.

Peralta's heroism has become Marine Corps legend, Lapan says. He said those closest to Peralta are likely to be upset by the decision, while others will see the Navy Cross award — given to only 17 other Marines in the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts — as quite an honor.

Peralta had been shot in the head before he covered the grenade, a Marine investigation said. The report concluded he was hit by a ricochet that likely came from the gun of another Marine while they were clearing insurgents from a local home.

After he was wounded, the report said, Peralta scooped an insurgent grenade under his body, absorbed the blast and died, according to five of the Marines who were with Peralta during the firefight.

Gates appointed a five-member panel led by Gen. George Casey, the Army chief of staff, to reinvestigate reports of the battle. The panel also included a Medal of Honor recipient, a retired military neurosurgeon and two civilian forensic pathologists, Whitman said. He declined to provide their names.

After the panel made its recommendation, Gates made his decision last week, Whitman said. He declined to provide any explanation other than the facts did not meet the standard for a Medal of Honor.

Five men have been awarded the Medal of Honor for service in Iraq, one for service in Afghanistan. All were posthumous.

Peralta first came to the United States from Mexico without legal documentation as a teen and joined the Marines the day he got his green card on April 17, 2000. He later became a naturalized citizen.

The Marine Corps assembled extensive material supporting its Medal of Honor request, including witness statements, ballistic and forensic evidence and several medical opinions.

According to that investigation, Marines scrambling for cover after an insurgent threw a grenade toward them plainly saw Peralta reach with his arm to "scoop" the grenade under his body.

Scorch marks were later found on his flak jacket, along with embedded pieces of shrapnel and a part of the grenade fuse, the reports show. "There's no way that grenade got under the center of mass of his body without him putting it there," said Reserve Marine Lt. Col. Scott Marconda, who investigated the incident in 2004 as a major and judge advocate. "I'm not a cheerleader. It is what it is. And my point is: I believe that he did that."

The Marine investigation highlighted a key area of controversy: whether the gunshot wound to the back of Peralta's head from a ricochet left him unable to function.

Col. Eric Berg, an Army pathologist who autopsied Peralta's remains, said in the 2005 report that the head wound would have been "nearly instantly fatal. He could not have executed any meaningful motions."

Berg said Monday that he stands by his conclusions. Four other experts — Peralta's battalion surgeon, and two neurosurgeons and a neurologist who examined the autopsy reports — said Peralta could have knowingly reached for the grenade. They say the ricochet was traveling at a "low velocity" and would not have immediately killed him.

Regardless, Jones said, Peralta is still a hero. Not receiving the Medal of Honor "won't change what he did out there."

[socalrappy700]

That made me sick when I heard about it this morning.

[preddy08]

That was such an educated reply.   


Sad, this coming from the same person bitching about your riding areas closing down.  Thanks for voting in the people that made it happen.   

Wow that was such a dickhead post

If you want to talk educated politics, then start a new thread. I'll gladly join you in there, untill then chill its the off-topic area.

Sorry for making a light hearted remark about your party. I'll try to refrain from bringing up any sort of politics from now on.

Not trying to be a dick, but calling out your response. 

Call me un-educated for making a small funny. Hell yes I will take offence to that. That went way further than a "responce"

[Krandall]

I would bet everything that there's ways to get gov't e-mail @ home.. Geek Squad to the rescue. VPN Tunnels are your friend in those cases.

I'm sure SOME of the e-mails you'll find out there were made up, but  haev NO doubt in my mind that this: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin_Yahoo_inbox_2008

is real.

Why is she using personal e-mail for gov't things? I'll go right back to trying to hide something if she were ever suppeonad? not sure how to spell that..

[socalrappy700]

That was such an educated reply.   


Sad, this coming from the same person bitching about your riding areas closing down.  Thanks for voting in the people that made it happen.   

Wow that was such a dickhead post

If you want to talk educated politics, then start a new thread. I'll gladly join you in there, untill then chill its the off-topic area.

Sorry for making a light hearted remark about your party. I'll try to refrain from bringing up any sort of politics from now on.

Not trying to be a dick, but calling out your response. 

Call me un-educated for making a small funny. Hell yes I will take offence to that. That went way further than a "responce"

Take offence if you want, its your call.  But I was doing nothing more then making light of your cheesy comment reply to my statement.  I didn't take offense to that when you sugested I send a family friend some gay porn.  I just replyed the same way.  

[Colorado700R]

That was such an educated reply.   


Sad, this coming from the same person bitching about your riding areas closing down.  Thanks for voting in the people that made it happen.   

Wow that was such a dickhead post

If you want to talk educated politics, then start a new thread. I'll gladly join you in there, untill then chill its the off-topic area.

Sorry for making a light hearted remark about your party. I'll try to refrain from bringing up any sort of politics from now on.

Not trying to be a dick, but calling out your response. 

Call me un-educated for making a small funny. Hell yes I will take offence to that. That went way further than a "responce"

Take offence if you want, its your call.  But I was doing nothing more then making light of your cheesy comment reply to my statement.  I didn't take offense to that when you sugested I send a family friend some gay porn.  I just replyed the same way.  

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[Krandall]

on aarons story..

I undoubtedly knokw that guy deserves a MOH. And I've never been in the military, so excuse me for being blunt.. But.. The guy's getting the 2nd best recognition.... And his mom doesn't accept it... I think he deserves the highest. but it's not up to me or her to decide that. It to me seems selfish of her to ask/deny in my honest opinion.

[Colorado700R]

on aarons story..

I undoubtedly knokw that guy deserves a MOH. And I've never been in the military, so excuse me for being blunt.. But.. The guy's getting the 2nd best recognition.... And his mom doesn't accept it... I think he deserves the highest. but it's not up to me or her to decide that. It to me seems selfish of her to ask/deny in my honest opinion.

I agree that she shouldn't scoff at the Navy Cross, but the disrespect starts with their BS decision.  If you ever read the Medal of Honor Citations for all our heros, the most common one is "unselfishly dove upon a grenade to use his body as a shield to save his fellow Marine's/Soldiers"


Obviously he can't, and probably wouldn't argue his case, but I will.

Aaron

[preddy08]

That was such an educated reply.   


Sad, this coming from the same person bitching about your riding areas closing down.  Thanks for voting in the people that made it happen.   

Wow that was such a dickhead post

If you want to talk educated politics, then start a new thread. I'll gladly join you in there, untill then chill its the off-topic area.

Sorry for making a light hearted remark about your party. I'll try to refrain from bringing up any sort of politics from now on.

Not trying to be a dick, but calling out your response. 

Call me un-educated for making a small funny. Hell yes I will take offence to that. That went way further than a "responce"

Take offence if you want, its your call.  But I was doing nothing more then making light of your cheesy comment reply to my statement.  I didn't take offense to that when you sugested I send a family friend some gay porn.  I just replyed the same way.  

Wow, you sure your not in to politics? You sure talk like it. I love how you put words in my mouth. Did I say to send a family friend gay porn? NO, I said that based on what you told me. You never once mentioned that he/she was a family friend.

Believe it or not Erich, you not always right. Chill out, take a step back, and open up your mind. Your way is NOT ALWAYS the right way.

You say that yours was a light hearted remark, I find it very funny, I know you would have taken your remark the same way I did.