Are ASR arms good? Wicked? Full Flight??? Need some cheap +2's!

[r00st]

I am looking for some cheap +2 arms. It seems like most arms use the same technology and materials. The only difference I see is in the joints (heim).

Are these ASR arms any good? They sound pretty good from the description, but then again that is THEIR description of them.

Here is fullflights (the cheapest option)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RAPTOR-700-3-A-ARMS-4-COLORS-SUMMER-SALE-FFR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43974QQihZ024QQitemZ370070966620QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Here is full flights Chromoly arms
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RAPTOR-700-2-A-ARMS-CHROMOLY-W-CHROMOLY-HEIMS-FFR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ43974QQihZ024QQitemZ370071778155

Here are ASR's
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ASR-YFZ450-Raptor-700-2-Pro-Series-Racing-A-Arms_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43974QQihZ024QQitemZ370072134070QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

The wicked arms are on ebay but are 450 plus shipping. I know there is also JD (like 500+_) Houser (obviously 500 +) and SMC which I beleive is also well over 500.

I really like the look of those black fullflights (chromoly) but I also know asr made pretty good arms for the DS... I also like the fact they use the teflon heim joints which apparently dont squeek and creek like a lot of aftermarket arms. I had some YFZ buddies run some aftermarket arms that squeeked horribly after they got wet a few times (sounded really junky!)

What do you think? I have the full set of 07 SE Arms (orange) in mint condition...so I can get an easy 200 out of those...meaning its only 200 +/- about 50-75 to go +2.

I think I am going to leave the shocks stock for now (they are the upgraded SE shocks) and if a revalve is needed i will price it out. If the revalve will be TOO much than I will consider some motowoz or other aftermarket fronts when the time comes.

Thanks!

[Peelz]

I am very interested as well. Heims vs ball joint? Best material, chromoly, steel?
Also, what other brands sell them powdercoated blue?



cue a SocalRappy700 "empty your wallet now" post

[r00st]

lol...ya socal doesnt even need to post, he is already inside my head, trying to spend my money!

I am thinking just get some cheap (but good quality) front +2's for now, and then I will deal with shocks later (be it a revalve or maybe next year some motowoz).

I just got a response from ASR and they said they are only available in the color they show (kind of a brownish black). I had a pair of their uppers for my DS and it was kind of a different color...like a "light" black I guess you could call it.

Anyway...theirs are 399 + shippping... but so are Fullflights chromoly ones (which are available in a more palatable flat black).

Anybody have experience with either?

[Peelz]

I think fullflights are available in red, blue, black, and silver-vein. Whatever arms I choose,  I want either blue or black when I do it.

[preddy08]

Heims are kinda out of there comfort zone in the dirt. The joint is exposed and wears out fast. Sure they are replaceable, but will get expensive.

If I were you I would keep an eye out for some used ones. Look at the YFZ site, they are always parting out MX bikes. Suspension is not a place to cheap out on!

[Kenneth]

I replied to your post at Raptorforum...

Anyhow the only thing I didn't do was give you prices.. If you stayed with a set of Motowoz Compression w/ Cross over adjustment and combined that up with a set of SMC a-arms your looking right at: 1550.00 for LT.

If you need any other price quotes please shoot us over a pm.


*edit: Post from RaptorForum:

I only have a few hours on my newly acquired 700, but I am already feeling some tippyness when trying to push it in the corners.
+2 Or +3 A-arms will cure the tippy  feeling
It just feels a little high centered and a little narrow.

Zero Preload shocks will take care of the high centered feeling
This is probably due to me coming from a 500+ lb duning DS650 bored out to 730 with full suspension (was over 50 inches wide). She handled very well but was heavy, which probably made it seem much more planted in the turns.

I've had a Ds650 Baja it was a beast ... haha

I am aware of most of the suspension setups (shock makers, arm makers and kits). but am just looking at what is the best deal as far as price goes.

I am loving the idea of the motowoz/sli-cast combo, but am a bit worried about the price.

If you have to buy one or the other stay with the Motowoz shocks the ride quality is the same as if not better than the Axis, PEP, Fox Float.
One area I am thinking about "cutting a corner" is the arms... sli-cast are about 500-600 right? What about a set of ASR's in +2? They are about 400. There are plenty of other companies out there (I only know of about 4-5, im sure there are closer to a dozen). Seems as long as a-arms are constructed well I should not have a problem with them or even notice a difference when riding.

Another company you may want to think about is JD Performance they are a site sponsor.

What about the shocks? I really like the motowoz (too bad it wont match my color scheme, but I can make exceptions for a NICE front end!). What are the costs for the various options? The typical settings are fine...resevoir with dual/triple rate and compression/rebound adjust. I dont think they have high/low comp adjust?

They do not have the high and low speed adjustment.. Your going to find out quickly that the adjustment they do have is worth every penny. Each click = a different ride

There is always the I-shock kit but I am really on the fence about it. If the cost is within 20% of the motowoz setup I cant really see saving the money...

Trust your gut

Also... I take it an extended axle is the best bet for the rear? I saw the spacers and the extended hubs, but with both of those options costing nearly 100 it seems the g-force axle for under 200 is the best bet.

The G-Force will last a season or two before showing signs of weakness.

I need input! I knew just about EVERYTHING for the DS...but the 700 is a whole new ball game!

Just take your time everything that applied to the DS will in some way apply to the 700.

I just want my 700 to handle as well as possible and maybe lower the center of gravity an inch or so (can do that via ride heigh/sag but I do not want to sacrifice all of my travel to give it a lower COG).



Thanks in advance guys!!

One thing I was just thinking... I coudl always do + 2 arms now and leave my stock shocks on. The stock shocks seem to be pretty nice (I have the 07 SE ones). Another option would be to revalve the shocks all around, and have them valved for +2 arms in the front...

Revalving is getting expensive... You might want to try to sell your SE shocks and take the extra money you was going to spend on valving and apply it to new aftermarket shocks.

This whole package would be 300-500 for a-arms and how much for the revalve front and rear? maybe 200-300? I assume I would not need them resprung. This seems like a good way to widen the front up and get a slightly better ride than I have now without spending huge bucks on arms & aftermarket shocks...any ideas?
I don't know of any place that does it for 2-3 hundred dollars anymore. Seems like everyone is in the upper 500.00 range.
Good Luck!

[Peelz]

Heims are kinda out of there comfort zone in the dirt. The joint is exposed and wears out fast. Sure they are replaceable, but will get expensive.

If I were you I would keep an eye out for some used ones. Look at the YFZ site, they are always parting out MX bikes. Suspension is not a place to cheap out on!

thanks preddy. Never had a good explanation of heims vs ball joint.

[kyledvor61]

lol...ya socal doesnt even need to post, he is already inside my head, trying to spend my money!

I am thinking just get some cheap (but good quality) front +2's for now, and then I will deal with shocks later (be it a revalve or maybe next year some motowoz).

I just got a response from ASR and they said they are only available in the color they show (kind of a brownish black). I had a pair of their uppers for my DS and it was kind of a different color...like a "light" black I guess you could call it.

Anyway...theirs are 399 + shippping... but so are Fullflights chromoly ones (which are available in a more palatable flat black).

Anybody have experience with either?

+1 :'(

[Peelz]

lol...ya socal doesnt even need to post, he is already inside my head, trying to spend my money!

I am thinking just get some cheap (but good quality) front +2's for now, and then I will deal with shocks later (be it a revalve or maybe next year some motowoz).

I just got a response from ASR and they said they are only available in the color they show (kind of a brownish black). I had a pair of their uppers for my DS and it was kind of a different color...like a "light" black I guess you could call it.

Anyway...theirs are 399 + shippping... but so are Fullflights chromoly ones (which are available in a more palatable flat black).

Anybody have experience with either?

+1 :'(

don't think it's your head Socal is in, Kyle. He's in somewhere else. :grin_nod: 

[kyledvor61]

lol...ya socal doesnt even need to post, he is already inside my head, trying to spend my money!

I am thinking just get some cheap (but good quality) front +2's for now, and then I will deal with shocks later (be it a revalve or maybe next year some motowoz).

I just got a response from ASR and they said they are only available in the color they show (kind of a brownish black). I had a pair of their uppers for my DS and it was kind of a different color...like a "light" black I guess you could call it.

Anyway...theirs are 399 + shippping... but so are Fullflights chromoly ones (which are available in a more palatable flat black).

Anybody have experience with either?

+1 :'(

don't think it's your head Socal is in, Kyle. He's in somewhere else. :grin_nod: 

its a different head :'(

[socalrappy700]

lol...ya socal doesnt even need to post, he is already inside my head, trying to spend my money!

I am thinking just get some cheap (but good quality) front +2's for now, and then I will deal with shocks later (be it a revalve or maybe next year some motowoz).

I just got a response from ASR and they said they are only available in the color they show (kind of a brownish black). I had a pair of their uppers for my DS and it was kind of a different color...like a "light" black I guess you could call it.

Anyway...theirs are 399 + shippping... but so are Fullflights chromoly ones (which are available in a more palatable flat black).

Anybody have experience with either?

Ok, here is the reason for my point of view.  You want the same set up I have, just don't want to spend that much money right now.  Well if you ever plan on getting the same set up it would make much more sense to just save up the money.  By spending money on a revalve job and these a arms will just cost you more in the end.  You'll be doing a front end build twice instead of just waiting to save up for what you want.  Right now you can sell your shocks and a arms on ebay for a great price.  If you plan on just keeping this cheaper build you are making the right move.  But why spend money twice if you plan on going with something better later on?

[r00st]

Well I am not really Planning on redoing it later, just if for some reason I am horribly dissatisfied with what I get.

If I could do the motowoz and LT for just a hair cheaper I would be more willing to consider it.

What is the max you guys think I could get for some really good condition orange a-arms with tie rods and the black SE piggy back fronts?

I saw some arms end for 200 and one was missing a ball joint....so surely I can get 200 for my complete set. What do SE shocks go for these days? I know they used to be a ton, but figure probably less now. If I could get a theoretical 400 for them (just a guess) that would be 600 total- or about 950 out of pocket on new front suspension. If I go with the ASR arms, that would be more like 1350 total once I get new brake lines making it 750 out of pocket.... HMMMM If I could get like 500 for those shocks I think I would take the plunge, but I dont really think they are wort that anymore

[socalrappy700]

You should be able to get 400-450 easy for your shocks.  I know I got 450 for mine.  And the a-arms will not sell for much on the forum.  I split my front end up and sold everything separate.  I got around 75-90 for each arm and 25 for the tie rods.  I would think since your a-arms are orange you might get even more, mine are just silver.  A front end will only sell for around 200 if you sell it all together, but when you think about it, how often do you find someone that needs a whole front end.  Most need just a arm or two that they messed up from a wreck.  In the end I made almost 400 bucks off my a-arms and tie rods on ebay.  Splitting them up is the way to go.

[Krandall]

I disagree w/ the SE shock prices. they've fallen quite a bit since the 08'-09's came out. I've watched 3 sets on the bay now sell for 325-330. The sooner you sell them the better. (if you do) as I only see them coming down more and more as more rappys are upgradeing their shocks and selling the "stock" ones

a-arms. I got $150 for my complete set. But you have the SE ones. so they MAY fetch a bit more.

[socalrappy700]

yes the price has gone down for the shocks on ebay.  But they are still going for around that on the forums.  The a-arms will go for less if you sell them as a COMPLETE set.