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Title: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: Kingwood Raptor on October 21, 2008, 07:34:59 PM
I am wanting to purchase a swingarm and not really sure what length to use. Is there a calculation for the length versus mods? What is the best setup? Will my stock shock work with the extened swingarm? I would like to also add the stage3 with my current mods. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Paul
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: sweet on October 21, 2008, 07:47:20 PM
It all depends on what kind of riding you do. I had the big 3 with a cam and have a +6 swingarm. I do sand drags and street drags. I could never seem to have a good holeshot with the +6 and factory shock. You will just have to play with your gearing and go from there. What kinda riding you do?
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: Krandall on October 21, 2008, 08:05:35 PM
Like sweet said.. It really boils down to 2 thigns.. How much power you have/want.. And what kind of riding you'll be doing.
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: Kingwood Raptor on October 21, 2008, 08:28:29 PM
I do alot of drag racing and some trail riding. I do not know how much HP i will be getting after adding the stage3. I know there is not much more i can modify without cracking open the head. Should I consider having it put on a dyno? I was thinking about a +4 swingarm. But not sure if it will be enough.
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: Krandall on October 21, 2008, 08:31:19 PM
The mods I have are.. 727, Stage 2 cam. Ported and polished head. and a +2 was plenty.  :batman:
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: wobble on October 21, 2008, 08:35:51 PM
+2 is plenty for my build as well (build in sig).

In general, the longer the swingarm, the more it hurts you in trails. But you want a long enough swingarm for good launches when racing. You will have to compromise one or the other. I ride 75% trail and 25% dunes. If I had to do it again, I'd still do a +2.
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: Gunz on October 21, 2008, 08:51:39 PM
Quote from: wobble on October 21, 2008, 08:35:51 PM
+2 is plenty for my build as well (build in sig).

In general, the longer the swingarm, the more it hurts you in trails. But you want a long enough swingarm for good launches when racing. You will have to compromise one or the other. I ride 75% trail and 25% dunes. If I had to do it again, I'd still do a +2.

Thanks Wobble, thats the advice Ive been looking for, for about a month now. :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: Sandeater on October 21, 2008, 11:05:53 PM
With riding trails I wouldn't want more than a 4.  I ride sand only and have a +4  with extremes and love it.  Can still bring the front end up if I want.  I launch out of the hole second gear wide open on the rev limiter when racing without the front end coming up.  Mine is a stock stroke/bore with x2, P&P, CP 14:1, etc  Probably somewhere around 62-65 hp @ 5k elevation.  If you go towards the 75-80hp you would have a hard time keeping the front end down with a +4 or 6.

Theshee has a +2 T-dub arm in the for sale section.  Check it out
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: Troy on October 22, 2008, 08:21:41 AM
yeah and it's a smokin deal for the price and comes with what you need to make it work. :thumbs:
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: jwraptor on October 22, 2008, 08:47:07 AM
I have a +10, stock shocks and lowered and still can't keep the front tires on the ground. 
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: Kingwood Raptor on October 22, 2008, 09:35:23 AM
Thanks for all the help, I am leaning towards a +4 so it leaves room for other mods. How difficult is it to install the stage3 cam. What else needs to be purchased with the cam IE; valves, springs ect?
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: Colorado700R on October 22, 2008, 09:38:38 AM
According to HotCams now springs are not required unless you get a timing controller like the Dynatek.  I would play it safe and replace the springs while your in there anyway.


Aaron
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: Onelunglow on October 22, 2008, 09:41:49 AM
Have you looked into a bored throttle body by KDS Racing?  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: wobble on October 22, 2008, 09:44:42 AM
Quote from: Colorado700R on October 22, 2008, 09:38:38 AM
According to HotCams now springs are required unless you get a timing controller like the Dynatek.

Aaron


That's a change from what they said when they first released it. Although it makes sense to me. Out of curiosity, where did ya get this info?
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: Colorado700R on October 22, 2008, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: Colorado700R on October 22, 2008, 09:38:38 AM
According to HotCams now springs are not required unless you get a timing controller like the Dynatek.  I would play it safe and replace the springs while your in there anyway.


Aaron


Fixed, good catch wobble, I missed an important word  :rofl:
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: wobble on October 22, 2008, 09:49:36 AM
Ya threw me on that one. More coffee! :lol:
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: Temptation on October 22, 2008, 03:49:14 PM
I went with a +3   Makes it easier to load on the trailer. :grin_nod: :grin_nod:
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: Gunz on October 22, 2008, 09:56:39 PM
Tonto13 has a +3 swinger too...
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: Kingwood Raptor on October 27, 2008, 07:28:40 PM
Thanks for all the support. Ok.. So i have decided to go with the Lone Star +4 rear axle, stage3 cam, but not sure about what gear ratio and tire size to go with.  I am currently running stock tires and gears. I live in east Tx, not much sand here, except at the beach or river. So i mostly ride on dirt. What tires are best in this riding condition? I had a set of holeshot xc on my warrior and it seems to do ok.. But it did not have half the power range as the 700.. Any advise will help. Thanks,
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: Krandall on October 27, 2008, 08:17:40 PM
Just a quick sugggestion.......


LSR is highly over priced IMO.. You might want to take a look into the RPM Dominator.  A QUALITY axle +4 I believe. and a lifetime warrenty 8)
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: Sandeater on October 27, 2008, 09:04:56 PM
If I was going to dish out the $$$$$ for an axle, I would spend the extra and get a JJ&A Play axle....that's if I had 650 bucks  :thud:
Title: Re: Swingarms / Mods
Post by: Krandall on October 28, 2008, 01:08:33 PM
Arent those meant mainly for sand though (uber light) ???