Are Fox floats good for GNCC?
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I would rather go with a "spring" shock due to the fact if you blow a valve you are DONE with the fox set up.
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I would stick with the spring shock too. Just my opinion though. :nana:
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on May 15, 2008, 07:15:34 AM
I would rather go with a "spring" shock due to the fact if you blow a valve you are DONE with the fox set up.
Would it be a valve that fails or a seal?
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on May 15, 2008, 07:15:34 AM
I would rather go with a "spring" shock due to the fact if you blow a valve you are DONE with the fox set up.
I couldn't agree more. What is the cost difference between these and other brands?
~Brian
they are top dollar shocks. right there with custom axis motowoz, custom elka exc. as far as cost
Not sure about GNCC but I got them on my sled and they rock! :grin_nod:
fox floats i'm pretty sure are compression adjustable only.....just one more thing to consider
never rode anything with them.. i would opt for the motowoz over these.. just my 2.. i think the motowoz are sexy.. :jerkoff:
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 09, 2008, 08:39:34 AM
fox floats i'm pretty sure are compression adjustable only.....just one more thing to consider
Float Evol DSC's are dual speed comp and rebound adjustable. And about $1500 a set.
Quote from: pdxmatt on June 10, 2008, 11:02:47 AM
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 09, 2008, 08:39:34 AM
fox floats i'm pretty sure are compression adjustable only.....just one more thing to consider
Float Evol DSC's are dual speed comp and rebound adjustable. And about $1500 a set.
Motowoz retail for about that, but TQS can get them for much less. I would feel better with the motowoz now that I've tried them.
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 11, 2008, 07:03:54 AM
Quote from: pdxmatt on June 10, 2008, 11:02:47 AM
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 09, 2008, 08:39:34 AM
fox floats i'm pretty sure are compression adjustable only.....just one more thing to consider
Float Evol DSC's are dual speed comp and rebound adjustable. And about $1500 a set.
Motowoz retail for about that, but TQS can get them for much less. I would feel better with the motowoz now that I've tried them.
Ya, I just ordered a Motowoz rear yesterday. Ended up paying about $200 less than I could get a Fox Podium for. And on the floats, you hear alot of stories about people getting blown seals and whatnot, but pro motocross teams are still switching to them. Makes you wonder if they're using better quality parts for the pros. Either that or the pro teams just rebuild them constantly so it's not an issue.
I like the look and the lightness of the floats, but when I get +2 a-arms later this year, I expect I'll be able to get Motowoz fronts for quite a bit less than the floats.
Can't wait for my new rear to get here.
Quote from: pdxmatt on June 11, 2008, 08:03:43 AM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 11, 2008, 07:03:54 AM
Quote from: pdxmatt on June 10, 2008, 11:02:47 AM
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 09, 2008, 08:39:34 AM
fox floats i'm pretty sure are compression adjustable only.....just one more thing to consider
Float Evol DSC's are dual speed comp and rebound adjustable. And about $1500 a set.
Motowoz retail for about that, but TQS can get them for much less. I would feel better with the motowoz now that I've tried them.
Ya, I just ordered a Motowoz rear yesterday. Ended up paying about $200 less than I could get a Fox Podium for. And on the floats, you hear alot of stories about people getting blown seals and whatnot, but pro motocross teams are still switching to them. Makes you wonder if they're using better quality parts for the pros. Either that or the pro teams just rebuild them constantly so it's not an issue.
I like the look and the lightness of the floats, but when I get +2 a-arms later this year, I expect I'll be able to get Motowoz fronts for quite a bit less than the floats.
Can't wait for my new rear to get here.
The reason the race teams are using them is because I'm sure fox is paying BIG money to have them ride it. And I'm sure they are rebuilt after every race.
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 11, 2008, 08:18:13 AM
Quote from: pdxmatt on June 11, 2008, 08:03:43 AM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 11, 2008, 07:03:54 AM
Quote from: pdxmatt on June 10, 2008, 11:02:47 AM
Quote from: ThisGuyAlex on June 09, 2008, 08:39:34 AM
fox floats i'm pretty sure are compression adjustable only.....just one more thing to consider
Float Evol DSC's are dual speed comp and rebound adjustable. And about $1500 a set.
Motowoz retail for about that, but TQS can get them for much less. I would feel better with the motowoz now that I've tried them.
Ya, I just ordered a Motowoz rear yesterday. Ended up paying about $200 less than I could get a Fox Podium for. And on the floats, you hear alot of stories about people getting blown seals and whatnot, but pro motocross teams are still switching to them. Makes you wonder if they're using better quality parts for the pros. Either that or the pro teams just rebuild them constantly so it's not an issue.
I like the look and the lightness of the floats, but when I get +2 a-arms later this year, I expect I'll be able to get Motowoz fronts for quite a bit less than the floats.
Can't wait for my new rear to get here.
The reason the race teams are using them is because I'm sure fox is paying BIG money to have them ride it. And I'm sure they are rebuilt after every race.
I can almost guarentee that all the pro's shocks are completely rebuilt after every race. At that level of compitetion, you don't take chances.
Aaron
We eliminated the Fox shocks because of where we ride. If you are 200 miles from no where and a air seal blows you are stuck! If you have a spring type shock you can slow down and limp in. I spoke to Fox on the phone and they did verify that this could happen . We use Elkas but it is all personal like and dislike when it comes to shocks. I saw a Raptor at the San Felipe Score 250 with fox shocks and he finished. I just want to eliminate one more factor that could strand us.
thats understandable :thumbs:
i love the way the floats look....until they're installed then they just look weird
I just finish my race with 1000miles in the desert and had no problem with my floats. we were three raptors with fox float and none of us had troubles.
Quote from: francky2000 on November 05, 2008, 02:26:25 AM
I just finish my race with 1000miles in the desert and had no problem with my floats. we were three raptors with fox float and none of us had troubles.
WOW!!! now that's a testiment to reliablity right there. Thanks for the info Francky :clap:
Quote from: francky2000 on November 05, 2008, 02:26:25 AM
I just finish my race with 1000miles in the desert and had no problem with my floats. we were three raptors with fox float and none of us had troubles.
Open up this website and check out his Raptor and the fuel tanks HARDCORE. Wish it was in English!!
http://www.adventure-rally.com/?lang=en
our web site in english...
1000 miles?
Wow!
Awesome. Thanks for the link!
~Brian
I would be interested in the to see what the shocks weigh also. I would think the Fox shocks would be a tad bit lighter.
I would agree since they don't have any spring :thumbs:
as well as no oil inside. ;)
how is the longevity on these things versus sprung shocks? I have always wondered.
Quote from: Peels660 on November 07, 2008, 06:43:04 PM
how is the longevity on these things versus sprung shocks? I have always wondered.
Where's kyle's Avatar? :rofl:
He just said he ran a 1000 mile race on them, I'd say thats pretty reliable :grin_nod:
Quote from: Colorado700R on November 07, 2008, 06:46:43 PM
Quote from: Peels660 on November 07, 2008, 06:43:04 PM
how is the longevity on these things versus sprung shocks? I have always wondered.
Where's kyle's Avatar? :rofl:
He just said he ran a 1000 mile race on them, I'd say thats pretty reliable :grin_nod:
cute, I mean over time...sitting in between rides as well, getting muddy. :P I have no doubt they will take a beating, so do my pogosticks. :lol:
Quote from: Peels660 on November 07, 2008, 06:48:30 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on November 07, 2008, 06:46:43 PM
Quote from: Peels660 on November 07, 2008, 06:43:04 PM
how is the longevity on these things versus sprung shocks? I have always wondered.
Where's kyle's Avatar? :rofl:
He just said he ran a 1000 mile race on them, I'd say thats pretty reliable :grin_nod:
cute, I mean over time...sitting in between rides as well, getting muddy. :P I have no doubt they will take a beating, so do my pogosticks. :lol:
I know ;) I know Kenneth from KB has a thread for them, maybe he has had some expierence with people who've owned them for some time ???
Quote from: Peels660 on November 07, 2008, 06:43:04 PM
how is the longevity on these things versus sprung shocks? I have always wondered.
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Quote from: Krandall on November 07, 2008, 07:28:56 PM
Quote from: Peels660 on November 07, 2008, 06:43:04 PM
how is the longevity on these things versus sprung shocks? I have always wondered.
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I did...punks!. Longevity and durability are two different things. I was asking about the former. ;) Read my muthafu**in post before you muthafu**in reply! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Grammar ninja out. :lol: Off to work! :mad:
sorry peels, I know it was late, I just felt the need to post it. :rofl:
Quote from: Krandall on November 08, 2008, 09:25:05 AM
sorry peels, I know it was late, I just felt the need to post it. :rofl:
apology accepted, we are even for the hanguard comments. :lol:
Quote from: Peels660 on November 08, 2008, 10:26:25 AM
Quote from: Krandall on November 08, 2008, 09:25:05 AM
sorry peels, I know it was late, I just felt the need to post it. :rofl:
apology accepted, we are even for the hanguard comments. :lol:
Did someone say hand guards? :fruity:
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Quote from: Polarass525 on November 07, 2008, 04:57:00 PM
I would be interested in the to see what the shocks weigh also. I would think the Fox shocks would be a tad bit lighter.
I just got done adding Houser +2.25" Long Travel A-Arms and Fox Evol Shocks and plan on taking the quad out this weekend to dial the shocks in. We had this set up on my sons YFZ450 and this combo works GREAT!
As far as how much they weigh, I weighed them compared to my old YFZ450 shocks and the Fox Float Evol shocks weigh about 2 pounds less then the YFZ shocks. If I remember correctly, I think the YFZ shocks weighed 7 lbs each and the Fox shocks weighed 5 lbs. each.
I also contacted Fox this week to find a baseline psi to start with in each of the air chambers. Their customer service was GREAT to work with and very helpful. I inquired about the cost of rebuilding the shocks if needed and they told me around $200 for the pair.
-Johnny
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What kind of PSI do they run? Is it something a typical air compressor can handle? like 1-150ish Lbs?
Quote from: Krandall on December 26, 2008, 07:52:10 AM
What kind of PSI do they run? Is it something a typical air compressor can handle? like 1-150ish Lbs?
I run mine around 60 psi unladen for the dunes. They come with a little hand pump that works great.
that's freakin awesome 8)
Fox,Motowoz,Axis both have their heads in the right places for custom shocks with the floats being the most adjust able (due to the pump) with Motowoz running right behind them with the cross over springs. I'd go with Motowoz , but the floats are a nice setup for sure. I would be a little afraid the hazards in gnnc racing with a pair of floats because if you ever busted a seal your going to be walking to the truck; whereas, you could finish a race on a pair of conventional shocks.
KB Motorsports (http://"http://www.kbmotorsportsonline.com/shop")
I come back with my testimony about the fox reliability. I just come back from argentina we rode with my brother for 3540Miles on the argentinian unpaved tracks...and zero issue with the shocks! :clap:
I was scared after the air freight because they kept the shocks compressed for one week with their ropes on a pallet but it did leak at all.
So they totalise more than 4500 miles now.
So has anyone used these shocks on trails (woods)? I don't race so I wouldn't really be running them that hard (not more than a race anyways, but lots of whoops)...I would probably keep my stock shocks around just in case.
Fox floats are great and I highly recommend them for a hill shooter or duning. The evols are a little more versatile for trails and such. They are light weight and ride great.. Not for a trail rider IMO :thumbs:
So is that a positive or negative for trails? I've been on some long runs but really I usually ride with a group so if I did have a problem I wouldn't necessarily be stranded (although it'd take a good while to get a ride back to the track, grab a stock shock, replace, and ride out)...I don't ride very often either and it's mainly woods with very small jumps but lots of whoops...Starting my shock fund right now but I'd like to know if the Motowoz would be better or if I can splurge on the foxs without worrying about blowing them up going down the trail...
Quote from: Ranger on May 21, 2009, 06:07:17 AM
So has anyone used these shocks on trails (woods)? I don't race so I wouldn't really be running them that hard (not more than a race anyways, but lots of whoops)...I would probably keep my stock shocks around just in case.
We ride mostly desert trails with a few trips to the dunes every year and these shocks work great on the trails. The best thing about them is that you can adjust on the fly by increasing/decreasing air pressures with the hand pumps that come with the shocks. :thumbs:
Cool...How big are those pumps anyways? On extended rides I usually have a camelback on that has extra pockets for storage (kinda like a backpack)...I have some small air compressors I can probably stick on the truck for quick pre-ride adjustments and have the pump for on the fly crap...
Im late I know. The GNCC events I participated in I was surrounded by the Fox Floats. Of course the sponsored guys have to say they are the best, but id say 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 racers ran Fox floats in the pro class. They are simply too pricey for me though. Maybe if they bring them down in price one day.
Alkire
Check out the Fox Float R shocks in this link. Thought I read they sell for 700.00
http://www.foxracingshox.com/atv/sport
Quote from: Bert on July 23, 2009, 05:58:57 AM
Alkire
Check out the Fox Float R shocks in this link. Thought I read they sell for 700.00
http://www.foxracingshox.com/atv/sport
I was speaking of the Evo's that are almost 2K each. Pro guys and their money :(
Quote from: Alkire193 on July 23, 2009, 03:35:30 PM
Quote from: Bert on July 23, 2009, 05:58:57 AM
Alkire
Check out the Fox Float R shocks in this link. Thought I read they sell for 700.00
http://www.foxracingshox.com/atv/sport
I was speaking of the Evo's that are almost 2K each. Pro guys and their money :(
The Fox Float Evols are listed 1495.00 on our website (retail). We give away a free helmet cam and a gift card with every purchase. :thumbs:
Thats an Each or bundle purchase price?
Those are for 2 shocks basically...
Quote from: KB Motorsports on July 30, 2009, 09:58:18 PM
Quote from: Alkire193 on July 23, 2009, 03:35:30 PM
Quote from: Bert on July 23, 2009, 05:58:57 AM
Alkire
Check out the Fox Float R shocks in this link. Thought I read they sell for 700.00
http://www.foxracingshox.com/atv/sport
I was speaking of the Evo's that are almost 2K each. Pro guys and their money :(
The Fox Float Evols are listed 1495.00 on our website (retail). We give away a free helmet cam and a gift card with every purchase. :thumbs:
How much is the gift card for I was planning on Float R's but would love the Evols?
The Evols are ride height adjustable was wondering if anyone knows if they are adjustable enough that you could go from stock aarms to long travel?
Not sure, I know on regular shocks that's not do-able even w/ a revalve due to the shock rod not being long enough to compensate for the extra travel. That's per GT-Thunder. :thumbs:
Yeah I knew the floats aren't because they aren't ride height adjustable. The evols one valve is for ride height the other is for firmness.
The floats are adjustable height, the more air you have in them the taller the shock gets and vice versa :thumbs:
Is there such a thing as Floats for stock arms vs +2 arms though?
I would think that there'd be a difference similar to regual type shocks.
Quote from: Jay@RacersEdge on August 19, 2009, 10:55:57 AM
The floats are adjustable height, the more air you have in them the taller the shock gets and vice versa :thumbs:
Thats the Evols. The floats it may take out some sag but not ride height adjustable
Here's just a little more infomation on the
Fox Float X Evols shocks. Let me dispell a few "myths" about these shocks first.
Fox has several versions of these shocks, here's the breakdown.
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Fox Floats are for standard travel or +2 A-Arms
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Fox Float X Evols are for long travel suspension with the newer versions having both low and high speed adjustments
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Fox Floats X Evols have ALL the adjustments - Hi/Low Speed compression, rebound, ride height etc...
- No, they don't leak air after every ride when sitting, I've gone months without having to add air to the chambers. Only if there is a substantial temperature change should you re-check and add air to the shocks. Of couse, a smart rider will ALWAYS do a quick PM on the shocks as well as the entire quad before every ride.
- No, you don't have to put your quad on blocks when not riding or when the quad is stored
- The hand pumps are small enough to put in your Camelback if you wanted (Really not needed but it sure made it easy to dial in my shocks making several runs down Sand Highway at Glamis)
- Cost to have
Fox rebuild them is around $200 - $250 for the pair
- Cost of these shocks new is around $1500 for the pair, used sets can be picked up on yfzcentral.com and yfztech.com for around $800 - $1200
- They don't have to be rebuilt every year of riding
- About the only thing that can happen is you blow a valve or seal and you will still be able to "limp" back to your stagging area at much slower pace. I have actually let the air out of one shock and tried it just see what happens. Yes, your quad will lean to one side and you have little or no suspension but if you go slow and be smart you'll be fine.
The best part about these shocks is that
NO OTHER SHOCK gives you this adjustability for riding conditions, terrain, rider weight etc... try that with your spring shocks and lets see how much money you end up spending having them revalved or springs changed.
I have rode quads with everything from the stock pogo sticks to YFZ450 shocks to Elka's, IShocks, PEP shocks etc.. and I can honestly say that these
Fox Evol's have out performed all of them. One of the first things you notice about the
Fox Evols is that you are missing something. THE SPRINGS!
Fox uses two air chambers to replace the spring(s) on a typical front shock. For what it's worth, I weighed my old set of YFZ450 shock compared to my
Fox Evol's and the
Fox Evol's are about 2 pounds lighter per shock. After all, theres not many things lighter then air, right?
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The
EVOL air chamber is adjusted to control the "bottom-out characteristics of the shock. The
MAIN air chamber is adjusted to change ride height and roll/pitch stiffness of the ATV. Included with your
Fox Float X Evol shocks are two seperate hand pumps that are used to adjust the air pressure in each chamber. The ability to change your air pressure in each chamber will allow you to fine tune your shocks for different riding terrains, style or even different weight riders. With a conventional "Spring" shocks ,you would have to first purchase another set of springs and second most people would have to send their shocks to either the Manufacturer or a shop to swap out the springs. Both will incur additional cost and down time to set your shocks up.
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The
Fox Float X Evol's also have your
Compression adjustment (at the top of the shock) as well as your
Rebound adjustment (at the bottom of the shock). Instead of needing tools such as a screw driver or wrench to make adjustments, the
Fox Evol's have these nice little knobs you turn to make your adjustments. I never had a problem using tools to make these adjustments but it sure is nice just to turn a knob to change these settings.
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Now I have received a few PM's and Emails from members asking "Do they loose air if the quad sits" or "Do you have to put your quad on stands when you're not riding to protect the seals" or "How often do you have to add air to the chambers". I called
Fox and asked them these very questions and they said... NO, NO and only if there is a big temperature change or you want to adjust your settings. After a month with them, they still have the same air pressure in BOTH air chambers that I originally set up for my riding style and terrain. The only thing you really need to watch regarding the air pressure is Temperature. ie. setting the psi in each chamber in your garage where the ambient temperture is usually much warmer then the outside temperature that you ride in. If it's over a 30 degree difference then it is recommended that the pressure settings be reset.
Now I came into my Long Travel suspension and these Fox
Float X Evols by purchasing another quad that already had this set up. I swapped the set up over to my Raptor 700 and returned my other quad back to stock supension. Now these are not the cheapest shocks on the market but I've seen new shocks on ATV Internet sites & magazines from $1200 - $1400 and used on YFZTech.com and YFZCentral.com from $800 - $1200. I called
Fox and asked how much to rebuild/freshen up these shocks and they said around $200 for the pair. That's really not that bad compaired to cost of having your spring style shocks rebuild/revalved or changing to different springs.
Now this is only my personal opinion and experience with different shocks that I've been able to ride with. I hope this helps answers some of the questions or concerns with the
Fox Float X Evol Long Travel Shocks. Feel free to PM or email with any questions or if you are thinking about investing (ya, I said invest because nothing is cheap for our Raptor 700's) into a new set of shocks and if you live in Arizona or see me out at Glamis and would like to "Test" ride my quad with these shocks let me know, we'll set something up.
well said Johnny. Very awesome write up! Thank you for sharing. :thumbs: