I completely understand why 08 is involved. If I gave my word that someone can be trusted, and that person betrays that trust....I WILL be involved. Also, 08 is already on these forums that Pat communicates on frequently, and is known on, 08's boss is not (as far as I know). Therefore, I see 08's postion clearly. Pat, you need to communicate how you are getting the ball rolling. It may not be an overnight solution, but a plan of action needs to laid out for the quad owner.
Aaron