Paddle tire sugestion

[Colorado700R]

Yes, Segkast. Please explain how you assessed the riders location, read his posts, and then you provided the best advice you could based upon your own expierences...

Of course he was speaking to the op...as was I.

I fail to see your motive and tact in last post. Since the op is satisfied with his purchase, and that was clearly who seg was addressing.

Perhaps your goal is to validate your position in this debate. If so, I recommend providing facts to support your argument for other riders who happen upon this post, to make a more educated decision.

In example...a 20" will maintain the stock rake front to rear, and therefore feel much more balanced in a jump and landing vice a 22" tire. Also the bouciness of a 22" tire will be much diffrent on whoops compared a 20", and may require some suspension adjustments to get near the feel of the 20.

There's also side hilling cg, wheelie balance, and basic turning stability.

No one ever stated 22" were superior in every condition, or for every rider. Just for the one in the op.

If you are going to advocate something, provide useful info to support your position. Otherwise its just opinionated bickering.

[Segkast]

This statement:

I don't disagree. Application and intended use are more important than anything.

Seems to be in direct contradiction to this one:

NO REASON to go with 20's at that point IMO. They cost less, but they perform less well. Why get the best of everything then take away all that potential with a pair of 20" tires ?

You say there's no reason to have 20" tires, so either you were only speaking to this one member and this one situation or you mean that every conceivable application or intended use for a Raptor in the sand results in 22" paddles performing better than 20".  The latter is what I was disagreeing with. 

Peels I am willing to say there are scenarios where I'd recommend a 20" molded paddle over a 22" bologna tire.  Then again I'm often at odds with those in the mountain and pacific time zones as our experiences vary greatly.

Ah, well let me clarify. I'm specifically talking to the member who posted the question. If you think 20's are a better tire for him, I think you're out of your mind. That said, I've also never ridden on a pair of 12 paddle 20's either I'm sure they hookup a lot better than the 8 paddles I've ridden on, but still a lot of the issue here for me is clearance, which the 20's don't provide no matter how many paddles you squeeze on em.

I would be curious to hear in what situations you would say a 20' molded tire is a better choice on a raptor though. Obviously, if you're not riding full sand, or sand with a lot of crap in it, a molded tire might be a better choice bases on durability alone, but outside of riding somewhere where that is an issue I don't see where the molded tire gives you an advantage. And please, I don't wanna hear anything about not being able to turn a Skat paddle, that argument is rediculous.

would your advice to this guy REALLY be to buy a set of 20" tires ? If not, WHY are we arguing this point ?

[Mad Dog]

Peels didn't immediately agree that 22" was the absolute best choice.  As more information about the OP was revealed and after the issue was discussed  it became clear that indeed 22" did fit this particular member's needs, a point I conceded previously.  At no point in this thread have I ever suggested any tire for the OP, let alone suggest a 20".  Seg if you had indeed read my posts, you'd know the answer to the first part of your question and perhaps wouldn't have needed to make the comment that I'm out of my mind.

My only reason for ever replying to this thread in the first place was to address comments made by bert and others regarding "digging trenches".  When such comments were made I replied to share my view on them.  I then revived the thread in May to expand upon my previous comments about 20" tires digging in because I had made a trip to SL with some 20" sandstars and could validate Peels' experience.  This was the purpose of the last line of my last post, to let peels know that although the OP is better off with larger tires in my view I agreed that a 20" molded paddle can be preferred in some situations.

My last reply, Colorado, was made because I wasn't clear whether Seg was speaking directly to the OP or in general, a question that was further clouded when he made his joke.  I wanted to explain that I agreed with Seg for the OP, and my previous comments about disagreement were only if he was talking about all situations.  I was trying to clear things up and instead you and Seg have apparently viewed it as an attack.  This was not my intention but I can see how it may have been taken as such and I apologize for any misunderstanding.

[Colorado700R]

No biggy. Glad it's cleared up.

[Bert]

if u were to buy new skat extremes would u go with a 20x10x10 9 paddle or 22x11x10 9 paddle for a raptor putting in 60rwhp

So what did you go with & have you tried them out???

[Segkast]

never took anything as an attack I don't expect everyone to agree with me, and hardly take offense to anyone voicing a difference of opinion. Never meant any of my comments as an attack either, I apologize if it came off that way. Didn't mean to offend anyone with the 'girly tire' joke It's a pretty common joke out west here, I guess it doesn't really translate well lol. Hell, I get shit from the guys running 25's all the time about my 'girly' 22" 10 paddles

I must have misunderstood your posts, I read them as if they were to the OP as mine were. My fault

Obviously, no one tire is going to be right for all applications. I think that pretty much goes without saying, so I didn't really think it was something I needed to clarify...

Not trying to argue here, but I'm still curious in what situations a 20'' molded is the best choice for a raptor ? Are we just talking about riding somewhere where durability of a buffed tire would be a concern ? That's about the only circumstance I can see where they're going to be the best choice.

Now, when you start factoring in price and amount of time you'll actually spend in the sand every year (if not much), the less expensive molded tires start to get more attractive and might be a better choice. I realize Skats might not be the best 'bang for your buck' for someone on a big 3 bike who sees sand maybe once every year or less.

[Mad Dog]

I'll send you a PM, I'd rather not discuss this thread any further.

[Segkast]

Jesus, a tire discussion went to PM... I'm out for a bit, this shit's all too serious for me lol

[Peelz]

lol way too serious.

there are no right/wrong comments here.

only differing opinions. And...opinions are based on experiences. Thus... I posted my experiences AND opinions.

my opinion:

I like things to be a great value, not just the "best" Tires are a big part of that equasion. Durable, cheap, and do they do the job okay...? those are the questions I ask. In that order, when I purchase parts.

I get up the same hills as everyone I've ridden with. WIth little to no trouble. And my tires were $50 for the pair mounted on rims. AND I beat the shit out of them, and theyre still rockin. Hell, i had fun getting up dunes on stock yamaha tires.... LOL
WIll my tires win the race to the top? nope...but i don't care, ill still get there, and wheelie off the top just for fun.

See? my "i'm here for the fun" opinion differs ALOT from most of yours, but it still counts all the same.

[Mad Dog]

Shh peels, we're not supposed to talk about anything but the OP.  Stop derailing the thread.

[Segkast]

 

[Peelz]

Shh peels, we're not supposed to talk about anything but the OP.  Stop derailing the thread.

derailing is my specialty. 

[devious700rSE]

if u were to buy new skat extremes would u go with a 20x10x10 9 paddle or 22x11x10 9 paddle for a raptor putting in 60rwhp

So what did you go with & have you tried them out???

I went with 21x11x8 9 paddle they work a little too good but i love it i wheelie everywhere

[Bert]

Never under estimate the power of a wheelie 

[Peelz]

Never under estimate the power of a wheelie 

wiser words have never been spoken.