Now I'll defend Kenny and Daniel, both are good guys to ME. Both have supplied me with some good knowledge and hooked me up with parts, etc. I stay in communication with both of these guys on a daily basis and their fued is funny to me and they both know I think it is. I'm not going to take sides because I consider both of them good guys. FOR THE RECORD: The guys that think Daniel doesn't know shit and steals ideas doesn't know Daniel at all. When Daniel first started he made some mistakes and he has learned from them. Daniel is a very smart guy and he has come along way from where he first started in this industry. He doesn't claim to be a builder either. Did he steal Kenny's cam design? Where did Kenny's cam design come from, did Kenny steal his cam design from another grind? It happens, IMHO Kenny's , Daniel's, Barker's, and a few other cams out there are all spin offs of the Web4. And the Web4 I'm pretty sure was an improvement over the x4. We all know Kenny is a smart guy too. Both of these guys have a business to run and they are grown ass men, it's not up to us to tell them how to run thier businesses, and they can each do business as they see fit. I'm not saying anything that has went down has been right on either side, but Daniel damn sure hasn't just been a leech on Kenny's knowledge and everyone else's. I don't consider myself an idiot by any means and Daniel has helped me multiple times and others out there. He has a shitload more knowledge that alot of people give him credit for, and alot of it is learned from the school of hard knocks, which is the best schooling someone can get. Not trying to start a Daniel or Kenny fan club here but bashing Daniel or Kenny at this point doesn't do shit to fix this guys problem.