Re: Off Topic Bullsh*t Thread Volume XX

[Peelz]

Raptorkid, this is for you.

The Viper is in danger.

The product planners at Dodge have held back on officially announcing the vehicle's cancellation. Dodge has halted production of the Viper, and publicly tried to sell the design rights to other automakers and even parts suppliers that don't build whole cars. Essentially, they're trying very hard to get rid of this car without taking the blame for killing it outright. The writing is on the wall for the legendary Viper.

After Dodge kills it, values will plummet!

~Brian

It is still a better car than a vette.   I bet it goes up for a bit, but followed by a crash. Then be worth something years down the road.

[Flynbyu]

Watch and see, the values will hit rock bottom.

It's still an awesome ride, but it will seriously hurt anyone that owes money on one!

~Brian

[Peelz]

it's too bad for sure. But with the economy, and CHrysler the way it is, I don't really see a way around it.



So, are you covered in ice or what?

[Krandall]

you think values would plumit? Aren't they a fairly limited production car? I'm coming not knowing a thing about them... But... look @ mid-early 70's cuda's...

I can't see vipers losing value if they are a limited prod car and then being cut completely. I would think that'd make them all the rarer?

[Flynbyu]

it's too bad for sure. But with the economy, and CHrysler the way it is, I don't really see a way around it.



So, are you covered in ice or what?

It's 25F, and the streets are just wet now. Lots of ice on the trees, and a little snow, but it's gone for the most part. 50 miles north, it looks like a war zone. Trees and utility poles are snapped in half. They are ecpecting power outages for weeks.

We got lucky!

~Brian

[Peelz]

you think values would plumit? Aren't they a fairly limited production car? I'm coming not knowing a thing about them... But... look @ mid-early 70's cuda's...

I can't see vipers losing value if they are a limited prod car and then being cut completely. I would think that'd make them all the rarer?

i kinda see it this way too, but then like the economy, value will run out of substance, and tank. But show up years from now at auctions at a premium.

Sounds like you did get lucky. Brian.

[Flynbyu]

you think values would plumit? Aren't they a fairly limited production car? I'm coming not knowing a thing about them... But... look @ mid-early 70's cuda's...

I can't see vipers losing value if they are a limited prod car and then being cut completely. I would think that'd make them all the rarer?

They will drop in quite a bit in value. You'll see current year models drop $15-20K in book value if they annouce the model is going away. Dealer inventories are still plentiful on 2008-09 models. All dealers floored with Chrysler are scurrying to get rid of 2008 models. Chrysler's new floor plan rules state you must pay a percentage of invoice amount of the vehicle off each month until it's paid off. No more riding it out by paying intrest only on old models. Average Viper invoice: $83000. Having a big ticket item like that on your floor plan eats away at the bottom line fast.

Look what happened to the Chrysler/Plymouth Prowler and the Chevrolet SSR. Limited production rides you can buy cheap now. The low production numbers help Viper, but if you break something out of warranty, it will get expensive to fix.

The nice thing is most people that own Vipers don't drive them daily. Most of the cars out there have really good miles, and that helps value.

~Brian

[Flynbyu]

Oh, and I'm in love!!!!!

Link: 1970 Camaro

I'm at attention.

~Brian

[Flynbyu]

Whoever laid the paint on that did a great job.

Looks like Benz or BMW black paint quality.

~Brian

[Krandall]

Oh, and I'm in love!!!!!

Link: 1970 Camaro

I'm at attention.

~Brian

that is SMooooooooooooooooooooooooooth paint!!! sounds like you need to liquidate.. thatd be badass parked next to the vette!

[NaturalRaptor]

Oh, and I'm in love!!!!!

Link: 1970 Camaro

I'm at attention.

~Brian

It is super clean. I love the Camaros!      Nice find, so I guess no more mods for the vette or raptor for a while.

[Flynbyu]

Yeah, that would be freakin' sweet.

Awesome car for sure.

~Brian

[Peelz]

Oh, and I'm in love!!!!!

Link: 1970 Camaro

I'm at attention.

~Brian

Sexy!

There is a guy here with almost the same setup, just had it painted red.  Same wheels. Looks killer, but the big block noise it what sells it.

[Flynbyu]

Today in history...

Jan 29 1886

Karl Benz patents the first successful gasoline-driven automobile. The Benz is born.

Jan 29 1919

Prohibition begins, and with it the rise of organized crime.

Jan 29 1943

Nazi police discover necrophiliac Bruno Ludke committing a crime against nature on the fresh corpse of a young female victim. He confesses that he has murdered no fewer than 85 and committed indecencies with most of their corpses. Ludke is committed to a hospital in Vienna for experiments, where he is killed in April of 1944.

Jan 29 1944

World War II: The Battle of Cisterna (Sister city: Fort Smith, AR) takes place in central Italy.

Jan 29 1964

Premiere of Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb.

Jan 29 1975

The men's room in a U.S. State Department office in Washington, D.C. explodes causing extensive damage to four floors. A group calling themselves the "Weather Underground Organization" takes responsibility for the blast by giving advance warning of the bomb to major news organizations earlier in the day.

Jan 29 1979

"I don't like Mondays" killing: Brenda Spencer fires repeatedly at the school across from her residence in San Diego, killing 2 and wounding 8 children. The reason she gave inspired the Boomtown Rats song.

Birthdays today...
1584 - Frederick Henry, Prince of Orange (d. 1647)
1632 - Johann Georg Graevius, German classical scholar and critic (d. 1703)
1688 - Emanuel Swedenborg, Swedish scientist and philosopher (d. 1772)
1711 - Giuseppe Bonno, Austrian composer (d. 1788)
1715 - Georg Christoph Wagenseil, Austrian composer (d. 1777)
1717 - Jeffrey Amherst, British military leader (d. 1797)
1718 - Paul Rabaut, French Huguenot pastor (d. 1794)
1737 - Thomas Paine, English-born American patriot (d. 1809)
1749 - King Christian VII of Denmark (d. 1808)
1754 - Moses Cleaveland, founder of Cleveland (d. 1806)
1756 - Henry Lee III, American General
1761 - Albert Gallatin, Swiss-American United States Secretary of the Treasury
1782 - Daniel Auber, French composer (d. 1871)
1801 - Horatia Nelson, daughter of Emma Hamilton and Horatio Nelson (d. 1881)
1810 - Ernst Kummer, German mathematician (d. 1893)
1843 - William McKinley, 25th President of the United States (d. 1901)
1846 - Karol Olszewski, Polish scientist (d. 1915)
1860 - Anton Chekhov, Russian writer (d. 1904)
1862 - Frederick Delius, English composer (d. 1934)
1866 - Romain Rolland, French writer, Nobel Laureate (d. 1944)
1867 - Vicente Blasco Ibáñez, Spanish writer (d. 1928)
1874 - John D. Rockefeller Jr., American entrepreneur (d. 1960)
1876 - Havergal Brian, British composer (d. 1972)
1877 - Georges Catroux, French general (d. 1969)
1880 - W.C. Fields, American actor (d. 1946)
1891 - Elizaveta Gerdt, Russian ballerina (d. 1975)
1891 - R. Norris Williams, American survivor of the RMS Titanic sinking (d. 1968)
1895 - Muna Lee, American poet (d. 1965)
1901 - Allen B. DuMont, American scientist and inventor (d. 1965)
1905 - Barnett Newman, American painter (d. 1970)
1910 - Colin Middleton, Irish artist (d. 1983)
1911 - Peter von Siemens, German industrialist (d. 1986)
1913 - Victor Mature, American actor (d. 1999)
1913 - Daniel Taradash, American screenwriter (d. 2003)
1913 - Peter von Zahn, German journalist and writer (d. 2001)
1915 - John Serry, Sr., American musician and arranger (d. 2003)
1918 - John Forsythe, American actor
1920 - José Luis de Villalonga, Spanish aristocrat (d. 2007)
1921 - Anthony George, American actor (d. 2005)
1922 - Gerda Steinhoff, Nazi concetration camp supervisor (d. 1946)
1923 - Paddy Chayefsky, American writer (d. 1981)
1923 - Ivo Robic, Croatian singer and songwriter (d. 2000)
1924 - Luigi Nono, Italian composer (d. 1990)
1924 - Marcelle Ferron, Quebec painter and stained glass artist (d. 2001)
1924 - Peter Voulkos, American artist (d. 2002)
1926 - Franco Cerri, Italian musician
1926 - Abdus Salam, Pakistani physicist, Nobel laureate (d. 1996)
1927 - Edward Abbey, American author and environmentalist (d. 1989)
1928 - Lee Shau Kee, Hong Kong property developer
1930 - Derek Bailey, English guitar virtuoso (d. 2005)
1930 - John Junkin, English radio, television and film performer (d. 2006)
1932 - Tommy Taylor, English footballer (d. 1958)
1932 - George Allen, English footballer
1933 - Sacha Distel, French singer and guitarist (d. 2004)
1933 - Ron Townson, American singer (The 5th Dimension) (d. 2001)
1933 - Paul Sally, American mathematician
1936 - James Jamerson, American bass guitarist for Motown Records (d. 1983)
1939 - Germaine Greer, Australian writer
1940 - Katharine Ross, American actress
1940 - Kunimitsu Takahashi, Japanese motorcycle racer and racing driver
1941 - Robin Morgan, American feminist and activist
1942 - Claudine Longet, French singer, dancer and convicted murderer
1944 - Andrew Loog Oldham, English rock and roll producer
1944 - Yoweri Museveni, President of Uganda
1944 - Patrick Lipton Robinson, Jamaican judge
1945 - Jim Nicholson, Irish politician
1945 - Tom Selleck, American actor
1947 - Linda B. Buck, American scientist, Nobel laureate
1947 - David Byron, English singer (Uriah Heep) (d. 1985)
1947 - Marián Varga, Slovak musician
1948 - Cristina Saralegui, American talk-show host
1948 - Marc Singer, Canadian-born actor
1948 - Pat Kenny, Irish TV presenter & radio host
1950 - Ann Jillian, American actress
1950 - Jody Scheckter, South African race car driver
1951 - Andy Roberts, West Indian cricketer
1952 - Tommy Ramone, Hungarian-born musician and record producer (The Ramones)
1952 - Rupert Hanley, South African cricketer
1953 - Paulin Bordeleau, Quebec ice hockey player
1953 - Hwang Woo-Suk, South Korean biomedical scientist
1953 - Teresa Teng, Taiwanese singer (d. 1995)
1953 - Lynne McGranger, Australian actress
1954 - Richard Manitoba, American singer (The Dictators and MC5)
1954 - Terry Kinney, American actor
1954 - Oprah Winfrey, American talk show host and actress
1954 - Doug Risebrough, Canadian ice hockey player, coach and executive
1955 - Eddie Jordan, American basketball player and head coach
1957 - Grazyna Miller, Italian poet, translator, and journalist
1960 - Matthew Ashford, American actor
1960 - Gia Carangi, American model (d. 1986)
1960 - Sean Kerly, English field hockey player
1960 - Greg Louganis, American diver
1960 - Steve Sax, American baseball player
1960 - J. G. Thirlwell, Australian-born musician
1962 - Nicholas Turturro, American actor
1963 - Bob Holly, American professional wrestler
1964 - Andre Reed, American football player
1964 - John Habyan, American baseball player
1964 - Roddy Frame, Scottish singer (Aztec Camera)
1964 - Anna Ryder Richardson, British interior designer and television presenter
1965 - Dominik Hašek, Czech ice hockey player
1965 - Peter Lundgren, Swedish tennis coach
1966 - Romário, Brazilian footballer
1967 - Cyril Suk, Czech tennis player
1967 - Stacey King, American basketball player
1968 - Edward Burns, American actor
1968 - Susi Erdmann, German bobsledder and luger
1968 - Sora Jung, Korean actress
1969 - Hyde, Japanese singer
1970 - Heather Graham, American actress
1970 - Rajyavardhan Singh Rathore, Indian shooter
1970 - Jörg Hoffmann, German swimmer
1973 - Jason Schmidt, American baseball player
1974 - Kōji Wada, Japanese singer and songwriter
1975 - Sara Gilbert, American actress
1976 - Chris Castle, American singer-songwriter
1976 - Charles Divins, American model and actor
1977 - Justin Hartley, American actor
1978 - Martin Schmitt, German ski jumper
1978 - Rob Bironas, American football player
1979 - April Scott, American actress and model
1979 - Sui Feifei, Chinese basketball player
1979 - Andrew Keegan, American actor
1979 - Joseph Todd, Arena Football League player
1980 - Yael Bar-Zohar, Israeli actress and model
1980 - Ivan Klasnić, Croatian football player
1981 - Jonny Lang, American musician
1981 - Álex Ubago, Spanish musician
1981 - Darío Lopilato, Argentine actor
1982 - Heidi Mueller, American actress
1983 - Nedžad Sinanović, Bosnian basketball player
1985 - Athina Onassis, French heiress
1985 - Isabel Lucas, Australian actress
1985 - Marc Gasol, Spanish basketball player
1985 - Todd Herzog, American reality-show contestant
1986 - Drew Tyler Bell, American actor
1986 - Mark Howard, English football player
1986 - Simon Vukčević, Montenegrin football player
1986 - Chris Bourque, American pro hockey player
1987 - Spencer Clark, American race car driver (d. 2006)
1987 - Matthew Wilson, English world rally driver
1988 - Stephanie Gilmore, Australian professional surfer
1991 - Hugh Grosvenor, Earl Grosvenor, Son of the Duke of Westminster
1993 - Michelle Larcher De Brito, Portuguese tennis player
1996 - Megan Jossa, English actress

Famous deaths...
1119 - Pope Gelasius II
1240 - Pelagio Galvani, Cardinal-Bishop of Albano (b. c. 1165)
1342 - Louis I, Duke of Bourbon (b. 1279)
1597 - Elias Ammerbach, German organist (b. 1530)
1608 - Frederick I, Duke of Württemberg (b. 1557)
1647 - Francis Meres, English writer (b. 1565)
1676 - Tsar Alexis I of Russia (b. 1629)
1678 - Jeronimo Lobo, Portuguese Jesuit missionary (b. 1593)
1696 - Ivan V, Russian tsar (b. 1666)
1706 - Charles Sackville, 6th Earl of Dorset, English poet and courtier (b. 1638)
1737 - George Hamilton, 1st Earl of Orkney, British soldier (b. 1666)
1743 - André-Hercule de Fleury, chief minister under Louis XV of France (b. 1653)
1763 - Louis Racine, French poet (b. 1692)
1820 - King George III of the United Kingdom (b. 1738)
1829 - Paul François Jean Nicolas Barras, French politician (b. 1755)
1870 - Leopold II, Grand Duke of Tuscany (b. 1797)
1871 - Philippe-Joseph Aubert de Gaspé, French Canadian writer and Seigneur (b. 1786)
1899 - Alfred Sisley, British impressionist painter (b. 1839)
1901 - Milan I, King of Serbia (b. 1855)
1906 - King Christian IX of Denmark (b. 1818)
1918 - Aleksei Maksimovich Kaledin, Russian-counter revolutionary (b. 1861)
1928 - Douglas Haig, British soldier (b. 1861)
1933 - Sara Teasdale, American poet (b. 1884)
1934 - Fritz Haber, German chemist, Nobel Laureate (b. 1868)
1941 - Ioannis Metaxas, Greek general and dictator (b. 1871)
1946 - Harry Hopkins, 8th United States Secretary of Commerce (b. 1890)
1948 - Tomislav II of Croatia, 4th Duke of Aosta, Italian aristocrat (b. 1900)
1950 - Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah, Emir of Kuwait (b. 1885)
1951 - Frank Tarrant, Australian cricketer (b. 1880)
1956 - H. L. Mencken, American journalist (b. 1880)
1962 - Fritz Kreisler, Austrian violinist (b. 1875)
1963 - Robert Frost, American poet (b. 1874)
1964 - Alan Ladd, American actor (b. 1913)
1966 - Pierre Mercure, French Canadian composer (b. 1927)
1969 - Allen Dulles, American CIA director (b. 1893)
1970 - Basil Liddell Hart, British historian (b. 1895)
1977 - Buster Nupen, South African cricketer (b. 1902)
1977 - Freddie Prinze, American actor and comedian (b. 1954)
1980 - Jimmy Durante, American actor and comedian (b. 1893)
1986 - Leif Erickson, American actor (b. 1911)
1989 - Halina Konopacka, Polish athlete (b. 1900)
1991 - Yasushi Inoue, Japanese historian (b. 1907)
1992 - Willie Dixon, American composer and musician (b. 1915)
1993 - Ron Kostelnik, American football player (b. 1940)
1994 - Ulrike Maier, Austrian alpine skier (b. 1967)
1998 - Joseph Alioto, mayor of San Francisco (b. 1916)
1999 - Lili St. Cyr, American dancer (b. 1918)
2002 - Dick "Night Train" Lane, American football player (b. 1928)
2002 - Harold Russell, Canadian-born actor (b. 1914)
2003 - Frank Moss, American politician (b. 1911)
2004 - M. M. Kaye, British writer (b. 1908)
2004 - Janet Frame, New Zealand writer (b. 1924)
2005 - Eric Griffiths, Welsh guitarist (The Quarrymen) (b. 1940)
2005 - Ephraim Kishon, Israeli satirist (b. 1924)
2007 - Barbaro, American thoroughbred racehorse (b. 2003)
2007 - Dia Abdul Zahra Kadim, Iraqi extremist leader (b. 1970)
2008 - Raymond Jacobs, American soldier (b. 1925)
2008 - Philippe Khorsand, French actor (b. 1948)

Holidays and observances...
Gibraltar - Constitution Day

Have a great Thursday.

~Brian

[socalrappy700]

Nazi police discover necrophiliac Bruno Ludke committing a crime against nature on the fresh corpse of a young female victim. He confesses that he has murdered no fewer than 85 and committed indecencies with most of their corpses. Ludke is committed to a hospital in Vienna for experiments, where he is killed in April of 1944.

Good old great great grandpa Bruno.