Poll: Seriously, who are you voting for???

[socalrappy700]

We all know how I feel about the media but they brough up a few of my concerns I had on his tax plan.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap_on_el_ge/fact_check_obama_ad

WASHINGTON – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was less than upfront in his half-hour commercial Wednesday night about the costs of his programs and the crushing budget pressures he would face in office.

Obama's assertion that "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond" the expense of his promises is accepted only by his partisans. His vow to save money by "eliminating programs that don't work" masks his failure throughout the campaign to specify what those programs are — beyond the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn't tell them:

THE SPIN: "That's why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year."

THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it's not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums.


THE SPIN: "I also believe every American has a right to affordable health care."

THE FACTS: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health coverage for all. He makes no such promise. Obama hinted as much in the ad when he said about the problem of the uninsured: "I want to start doing something about it." He would mandate coverage for children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps, including requiring larger employers to share costs of insuring workers.


THE SPIN: "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost."

THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama's policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years — and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: "Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years." The analysis goes on to say: "Neither candidate's plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified."


THE SPIN: "Here's what I'll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we'll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. "

THE FACTS: His proposals — the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more — cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged — although not in his commercial — that: "The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals."

[Krandall]

They need to cut government spending, get us out of debt. and move on from there. How can one of the worlds most powerful nations be so freakin broke.

[socalrappy700]

Big government spending.  Both sides waste money on useless things.   Unfortunately that will never change.

[Krandall]

I know.. It's more.. wishful thinking..... 

[LittleBuddha]

I know.. It's more.. wishful thinking..... 

Dead mother in law.  Now THAT is wishful thinking.  BRB.  I gotta snap one off.   

[Kenneth]

http://www.grassfire.org/scorebook/qv4_5.asp

I challenge anyone who hasn't followed the election closely to read McCain & Obama's election goals there.

[Gunz]

I voted today. I voted for a couple of Demo's in some of the offices, but Republican everywhere else it counted. Damn near voted straight Republican outta spite, but I guess that wouldn't help anything so I didn't.

[russ-russ]

I voted today. I voted for a couple of Demo's in some of the offices, but Republican everywhere else it counted. Damn near voted straight Republican outta spite, but I guess that wouldn't help anything so I didn't.

I voted Friday, pretty much the same thing.  There are one or two local dems that are better than their repub rivals, but for the most part, straight repub.  This year more than any previous year, I wish some of the other candidates had a snowball's chance of winning.  The presidential ballot here was a page and a half long, but we all know it really only has two lines on it that count.

[Lady4Fiddy]

You gotta check this out weather your an Obama or McCain fan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvc0tYG_YpA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl7A

[Flynbyu]

Palin owned by a prank call.

This is great!

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/audio/play/1044661/

~Brian

[Flynbyu]

They even make reference to the porno "Nailin' Palin."

F*cking owned!

What an idiot.


http://www.ebaumsworld.com/audio/play/1044661/


~Brian

[Gunz]

I couldn't even sit half way though that crap. She really can't speak off the cuff, then again lots of people can't. Take the Mayor of Boston, (Menino) that retard has been there for what 12yrs(?) and his a mumbling idiot.

[Flynbyu]

I can't understand anyone from the northeast.



~Brian

[socalrappy700]

so are you the pot or the kettle?



But don't worry, I speak Brian. 

[Colorado700R]

But don't worry, I speak Brian. 

Do you muffle your voice to get the "head up your ass" sound effect