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Raptor 700 Information => 700 Motor Mods => Topic started by: KBR on August 18, 2008, 04:28:45 PM

Title: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: KBR on August 18, 2008, 04:28:45 PM: This is meant to help the new or experienced 700R owner spend the least amount of cash on performance and get the largest bang for their buck. This is all work that can be performed by a backyard mechanic with some basic skills and tools. We have spent enormous amounts of time and money testing all this stuff out in an attempt to make Raptors faster for less dollars. We pride ourselves in being fastest for cheapest!

This first graph is for a completely stock 700R vs a 3 mod 700R.
3 mods being:
Ron Wood Exhaust
Dynatek Fuel Controller
Pro Design Intake (the original and best, all the rest are copies of Pro Design).

This is a "good" 700R. This one showed about 5% more power bone stock than most I have tested, and since I am not the guy who shows bs dyno graphs or inflates the numbers by showing a low baseline, drags the brake, or runs it with low tires, I wanted to use the best stock graph I had to show the gains. This bike is a "Wednesday Bike" for sure. Most baresly crack 40 if they even do.

Its easy for people to forget about the power under the curve and look at the peak numbers. I use a "scoring" system for my dyno work. What I do is I take the horsepower or torque at every 500 rpms, and and take that value and divide it by how many 500rpm readings there are in the run. it gives me an "Average HP or TQ gain per 500 RPM"

I will attach a Excel Spread sheet I created to show the differences of all these builds at the bottom of this post.

The Average HP gain per 500 RPM from stock to 3 mod is 8
The Averate TQ gain per 500 RPM is 8.57

(http://raptorsource.com/images/quads/kbr_dyno/KBR_1.jpg)
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: KBR on August 18, 2008, 04:29:23 PM: Join Date: Oct 2006
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Next is a Big 5 700R compared to the 3 Mod 700R
Big 5 meaning:
Ron Wood Pipe
Dynatek Fuel Controller
Prodesign Intake
Dynatek Ignition (non programmable)
Hot Cam Stage 3
Again I have figured out the average hp and tq gains per 500 RPM. This is where it gets fun, since the power levels at 7500 on a stock cammed and stock ignition 700r is zero.
Average HP per 500 RPM 16.6
Average TQ per 500 RPM 10

(http://raptorsource.com/images/quads/kbr_dyno/KBR_2.jpg)
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: KBR on August 18, 2008, 04:29:46 PM: Next is Stock to Big 5.
Big Five consists of:
Ron Wood Pipe
Dynatek Fuel Controller
Prodesign Intake
Dynatek Ignition (non programmable)
Hot Cam Stage 3
Again here the average HP and TQ numbers are crazy since we are now making power beyond 7500 RPM.
Average HP gain per 500 RPM = 22.2
Average TQ gain per 500 RPM = 16

(http://raptorsource.com/images/quads/kbr_dyno/KBR_3.jpg)
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: KBR on August 18, 2008, 04:30:10 PM: Next is 3 mod to Super 6
Super 6 consists of:
Ron Wood Pipe
Dynatek Fuel Controller
Prodesign Intake
Dynatek Ignition (non programmable)
Hot Cam Stage 3
KDS Bored Throttle Body (46mm)
Again we are making power above 7500 RPM.
This is the only run (the super 6) that is not the exact same bike as the rest. Its almost identical and the numbers all add up so I am calling it legit.
Average HP gain per 500 RPM = 17.7
Average TQ gain per 500 RPM = 11.3

(http://raptorsource.com/images/quads/kbr_dyno/KBR_4.jpg)
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: KBR on August 18, 2008, 04:30:34 PM: Next is Big 5 to Super 6
So basically the addition of a bored throttle body.
Average HP per 500 RPM = 1.1
Average TQ per 500 RPM = 1.3

(http://raptorsource.com/images/quads/kbr_dyno/KBR_5.jpg)
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: KBR on August 18, 2008, 04:30:53 PM: Last but not least is boner stock to Super 6.
This shows almost limit for the 700R with out cracking the head bolts.
The reason I say almost is that we are testing KDS crankcase valve and if it goes as planned we hope to see a over 60 HP on this build.
Next week I will be testing a "Super 6" with Barkers instead of Ron Wood to show that difference.
The cost of doing the "Super 6" is less than $1,375.00.
You can not beat that combo period.
I have tuned quite a few 700R with engine work that do not come close to these numbers (not our engine work of course...lol).
Average HP gain per 500 RPM = 23.3
Average TQ gain per 500 RPM = 17.3

(http://raptorsource.com/images/quads/kbr_dyno/KBR_6.jpg)
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: KBR on August 18, 2008, 04:32:02 PM: We did not get much more than this with the Barker equipped machine.
We did however break 60 and 46 with a DMC equipped 6 mod Raptor.
Thanks for looking!
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: air on August 18, 2008, 05:07:08 PM: Support these guys for all their hard work :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: digitalhearing on August 18, 2008, 06:37:13 PM: Nice Work Kam! There is a guy that's on OUR team. For what it's worth, you definatley has earned my respect.

Grant
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: exentix on August 18, 2008, 06:46:03 PM: great info :thumbs:
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: air on August 18, 2008, 06:50:09 PM: This thread would be a good one to pin.
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: darkside94 on August 18, 2008, 06:50:49 PM: stickyyyyy
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: exentix on August 18, 2008, 06:50:56 PM: Quote from: air on August 18, 2008, 06:50:09 PM
This thread would be a good one to pin.
+1 agreed
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: NaturalRaptor on August 18, 2008, 06:56:45 PM: Great read. Nice work KBR! :clap:
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Colorado700R on August 18, 2008, 06:58:35 PM: done :thumbs:
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: exentix on August 18, 2008, 07:08:09 PM: Quote from: Colorado700R on August 18, 2008, 06:58:35 PM
done :thumbs:
:clap: haha we ask, you do! thats whats awesome about being a member here!
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: TrxOutlawz on August 18, 2008, 09:21:27 PM: Kam,
Thanks for the write up. I am one of KBR's Super 6. But I have one thing that is different on mine. (Not for the better). I am running the GYTR intake and I will say this. It is coming off just as soon as Kam and Marty get done testing on the intake situation. When they decide what is best for this setup, that is what I am going to buy. I will have a GYTR set up for sale soon.. I ended up with just below 58 HP and 45 TQ. We are thinking that the new intake will let it push the 60 HP mark..
I would recommend this setup for anyone that dont want to break the bank on mods. Its less than $70 per HP gain. Not to shabby.
Thanks again Kam and Marty for all your time and effort.
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: GregKJ on August 18, 2008, 11:25:48 PM: Nice write up!

How easy is a cam install? I'm sure I could manage, but how many hours for the beginner to complete?

Less than $1400 for the Super 6 sounds like a pretty good deal. And I do need some performance mods.

On a related note, I'm going to call it the "Sick 6". I think it sounds cooler!
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: BRAD on August 19, 2008, 09:43:02 AM: nice write up man. when i get back to working normally. i may be putting some orders in leading up to the super 6
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Colorado700R on August 19, 2008, 03:19:25 PM: Great info here, please keep the off-topic stuff to the off-topic areas.

Aaron
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Bert on August 21, 2008, 11:40:22 AM: Thanks for sharing KBR :clap:
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: fireman5166 on August 29, 2008, 12:45:13 PM: thanks for the info. great job :thumbs:
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: BackwoodsBoy on September 24, 2008, 10:03:26 PM: That is some awesome information.. Thank ya!
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Livingmylife93 on September 25, 2008, 06:46:09 PM: Awesome info! Thanks :clap:
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: KBR on February 28, 2009, 04:07:44 PM: How come the attachments were deleted mods?
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Krandall on March 17, 2009, 09:36:32 PM: Quote from: KBR on February 28, 2009, 04:07:44 PM
How come the attachments were deleted mods?
Attachments fixed. :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Diggs59 on March 18, 2009, 06:06:20 AM: Wow, what a great thread. KBR is pretty impressive. :grin_nod:
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Raginraptor on May 31, 2009, 06:27:48 PM: Hey awesome info... The forum and test pointed me in the right direction for my mods. Thanks you :thumbs:
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: speed demon on August 30, 2009, 09:26:03 PM: This is an awesome post :clap: I own a business here in visalia ca Speed Demon Motorsports and i will for sure use this info
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Spider/Paleface513 on October 20, 2009, 08:27:14 PM: My mods are FCI with box
DMC Fource 4's
PC5
HotCams Stage 3
Dynatek from DL700

So I got a 5 mod quad? What do y'all think my hp is there's no Dyno with in 5 hrs so never been. And after piston p and p tb bore it'll be a 8 mod quad?
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Krandall on October 21, 2009, 10:07:35 AM: My guess is you'd be pushing @ or around mid-upper 40's.

bump up the compression and you can get yourself into the mid 50's easy. :thumbs:
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Spider/Paleface513 on October 21, 2009, 10:27:24 AM: Damn that's it,lol. I thought 37 from factory. My next mods when I crack head bolts is a P&P,tech 11.5:1 piston,and maybe a +3 TB idk if I need I'm keeping stock bore stroke. Don't know if I should just add better springs vale float scares me don't think I need bigger valves since it's not a full drag quad.
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Krandall on October 21, 2009, 10:31:03 AM: MAAAAAYBE Looooow 50's but I honestly think that'd be pushing it.

With a port and polish / Piston / TB she'll really wake up.
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Spider/Paleface513 on October 21, 2009, 10:41:17 AM: It's a lot stronger than when I first got it now. It's just a trail quad so after the mods to come I'm done. May move to DL700's HDD5050 cam thinking may stay hc3 I'm keeping stock swinger and wheel base so don't wanna go to strong.
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Raginraptor on October 21, 2009, 10:55:59 AM: I Have a 6mod Rappy and from what the results ive seen have been mid to upper 50's and ive heard of a few hitting 60hp but i'd set my expectations at around 55hp anything more for bolt on parts would be a bonus :thumbs: My mods barker duals,+2 tb,hc3,cfm intake,dynatek prog. and pcV and ive noticed a big diffrence in power on my hillclimbs and higher rpms :thumbs:
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Spider/Paleface513 on October 21, 2009, 11:02:15 AM: So when I get the head job I should get TB bored? Then I'd have a seven mod bike right? My big 3 + cam + piston + dynatek + TB bore = 7 or am I counting wrong
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Raginraptor on October 21, 2009, 11:25:51 AM: Definetly let that thing breath +3 tb all the way and you will pick up some hp by changing cams when you do the head. I did all that i could before going into the motor. Next is the head, piston and better cam for me :clap:
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Spider/Paleface513 on October 21, 2009, 12:23:35 PM: That's how I was doing it that's why I got the HC3 it was a true slide in no rocker mods. But when head comes off it'll be DL's HDD5050 or is that to strong for a 90/10 trail/drag quad. Or should I stay HC3
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: shrimpy21 on October 21, 2009, 12:31:30 PM: Quote from: PALEFACE513 on October 21, 2009, 12:23:35 PM
That's how I was doing it that's why I got the HC3 it was a true slide in no rocker mods. But when head comes off it'll be DL's HDD5050 or is that to strong for a 90/10 trail/drag quad. Or should I stay HC3

I would say the HDD5050 cam will be fine for trail riding.I have the RJ cam which is very similiar to the HDD and i do all trail riding and roads and it great.I also have the big3 with BO's updated track P&P,CP11:1 piston,+3TB :) Thats all on a stock swingarm :thumbs:
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Spider/Paleface513 on October 21, 2009, 01:09:40 PM: Thanks for the input shirmpy.
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Raginraptor on October 21, 2009, 01:32:11 PM: The 5050 cam is probably the best option better power from the bottom to redline over the hc3 but the hc3 puts out good numbers too check out Dl's dyno test under the post $600 upgrade from 4 mod 8)
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Raginraptor on October 21, 2009, 01:36:07 PM: Here it is http://www.raptorsource.com/forum/index.php?topic=5390.0
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Spider/Paleface513 on October 21, 2009, 02:13:53 PM: Quote from: Raginraptor on October 21, 2009, 01:36:07 PM
Here it is http://www.raptorsource.com/forum/index.php?topic=5390.0

THANKS BRO
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Krandall on October 21, 2009, 02:31:37 PM: I'm hoping we can put the debate to rest in sorts.

5050 vs RJ 8)
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Raginraptor on October 21, 2009, 02:44:39 PM: Not a Prob. lots of knowledgable peeps on the forums sounds like your on the right track
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Spider/Paleface513 on October 22, 2009, 02:01:57 AM: think i'm stick with hc3 i already have it. :thumbs:
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Gunslinger on November 22, 2010, 11:16:33 PM: Quote from: KBR on August 18, 2008, 04:29:46 PM
Next is Stock to Big 5.
Big Five consists of:
Ron Wood Pipe
Dynatek Fuel Controller
Prodesign Intake
Dynatek Ignition (non programmable)
Hot Cam Stage 3
Again here the average HP and TQ numbers are crazy since we are now making power beyond 7500 RPM.
Average HP gain per 500 RPM = 22.2
Average TQ gain per 500 RPM = 16

(http://raptorsource.com/images/quads/kbr_dyno/KBR_3.jpg)

this dyno looks like the kinda power you get from duals in the higher rpms...

do you think its more from the Dynatek Ignition or cam...

i have the big 3 now (full muzzy exhaust, velocity intake and pc5/autotune) i want to do a high compression piston and bigger cam but not for a while.. but i don't mind getting a Dynatek Ignition thing if you think i will gain alot in the over rev like that dyno shows...
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Krandall on November 23, 2010, 09:33:08 AM: The igintion is for a good for a few ponies. But it's the cam that really makes the combo shine :)
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Peelz on April 01, 2011, 03:07:14 PM: intake: $0 xmas present.

phoenix spark arrestor: $0 xmas present.

Dobeck FI, after trade for gytr Bumper: $27

used stage 2 hotcam: $25

blue spark plug wire (priceless) $0

ill have a dyno run in a couple weeks.

not gonna get much more budget than this
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: dragonz on November 17, 2011, 12:02:57 AM: Quote from: PeelsSE2 on April 01, 2011, 03:07:14 PM
intake: $0 xmas present.

phoenix spark arrestor: $0 xmas present.

Dobeck FI, after trade for gytr Bumper: $27

used stage 2 hotcam: $25

blue spark plug wire (priceless) $0

ill have a dyno run in a couple weeks.

not gonna get much more budget than this
ya don't think the blue sparkplug wire is a bit over the top???
Title: Re: How to modify your Raptor on a budget......stock to 6 mod graphs inside
Post by: Peelz on November 17, 2011, 08:14:46 AM: yeah it's a little too much power ;)