So this weekend I'm going to be pulling the head/cylinder off the rappy.
The head is headed out to Bo. I have is Original Track port from waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the day it's been almost exactly 2 years! :jaw: ::) seems crazy to think its been that long. But it's going there to get the trex port w/ some +1 valves.
I'm replacing the HotCam Stage 2 with an X-2 cam.
assuming all is well w/ the sleeve/cylinder. I'll be just re-ringing the 10.75:1 CP piston and calling it a day. :)
unless someone has a 12:1 piston they are looking to ditch. :lol: ;) :)
Cool Randy!! You got some hours on your bike now, make sure you check out your rod/crank bearings for play as long as your in there.
I have a home for your hotcam... ;)
Ive got a 13:1 CP here......
Don't know if I want to go that high. I want to steer away from the use of any race gas. I'm assuming 13:1 I'd require a solid 50/50 mix?
Atleast.
Well. Head has come off the rappy. I HAD pictures. but they are still on my parents computer (which I forgot to get them off of) :(
BUT.. Gettin there! :clap:
Question..
I've pulled the head off. Next weekend (I hope) the cylinder will be coming off for new rings on the piston. Do I need to re-hone they cylinder? If so. Any suggestions on hones?
First I would measure the bore to see if its even in spec. More than likely it will be. Then I'd clean it really well with WD and a rag, then take some grey scotch brite and knock off the "glaze". Then clean it really well with WD and rag, then with Brake clean and rag.
He has one of my sleeved cylinders, send it with the head and Ill check it out for ya.
I would but I won't be able to. Wont see the quad for another 2+ weeks. :(
sucks living far away from it :'( :'( :'( :'(
Valves & Springs in one box. Head in another.
Will be shpped out tomorrow! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Randy, I'm sure there's a local speed shop that has all the correct tools to assess your cylinder, and shouldn't cost too much.
Quote from: Krandall on March 02, 2010, 10:12:35 PM
Valves & Springs in one box. Head in another.
Will be shpped out tomorrow! :
hotcam shipped to peelzy. ;)
going to be ordering my head gaskets and base gasket.
Word on the street is I should stick w/ the stock base gasket. I have a small leak in the one on it right now.
How about head gaskets for a 727 (bored) whats the "good" one?
Ordered my head gasket and rings on wednesday. those should be hear early next week.
I'm gettin excited!! :D :clap:
will have pics later, but getting her buttoned up soon.
does anyone have a map for a
trex port + 1 valves
x2 cam
105mm piston?
Well.. Long story short..
Timing Sprocket bolt fell out 20mins into riding it... bolt fell down into the crank. there's shrap everywhere... i feel sick.
Does anyone know of anyone familiar w/ raptor 700 bottom ends that'd be willing to take mine under their wing and fix it?
there's no one local I know of that I trust so I'd rather it go to someone on the forums who will take care of it for me.
Not sure the extent of the damage yet.. but I know i can't roll the quad forward or backward (assuming tranny is blown)
I will have the cylinder off in about 20 mins to look in there to see what I can see.. Part of me hopes the crank isn't damaged.. part of me says.. I wanna be like preddy. :help:
I'm gonna go and cry a bit.
for those that have my # feel free to text me any one you know who'd be interested in rebuilding.. obviously I'll pay. :)
krandall
Dam brother that sucks. Hope its not to bad. I know I was really nervous when I tore mine down, I followed the manual to a tee when putting it back together.
Damn Randy, sorry to hear about that...I'd offer but I think you'd have bigger problems on your hands...If you need a stock crank hit me up, I still have mine that you can have.
So very, very sorry man. If it was a 660 I could help you out, but after my stint the other night I wouldn't tear in to a 700R.
Here's hoping it's not as bad as it could be.
I truely am sorry for not being able to help ya out in this endevor but Im too far behind on my porting to take something like this on....even for a bud like you.
I remember one of the first engines I built for my Camaro, got to having a dead miss that wouldnt tune out. Took the valve cover off and turned the engine over with the starter and one rocker arm wasnt moving, wiped a lobe off the cam. Swapped the cam out, 2 weeks later samething! Cried infront of my Mom, no shit.
It's no biggie Bo, I completely understand. You basically have 3 jobs...
Family
Workin @ the plant.
and porting... :)
I think for the most part I'm over it... It's a huge bummer for sure. But sh*t happens. :)
Patters. depending on the outcome, i may hit you up. I sent a PM to troy. (waiting for Aaron to send me his #)
gonna give that foolio a call and see what his next few weeks look like. Otherwise I may have to give RE a call and see if they have some time.
Guess that means I have time to work on my Coronet tomorrow instead of goin to the track.. :lol:
5mm Hotrods crank.....it is your destiny.....(in my James Earl Jones voice)
Hey I just remembered that Wiig would be able to help you out. He does all sorts of motors locally. I'd be more than happy to meet up with him when he does it to make sure things go smoothly. If you want I could call him and see what he thinks.
Hell, I'll call ya in the afternoon. I might be able to help ya out big time. I got a buddy that going through ATV repair school right now and the school might be looking for a project. Worst case, I'd just do it myself, with him. More than likely free of charge. I'm always looking for a reason to hang out in the garage and drink beers and work on motors.
Damn Randy that sucks :( but look at the bright side make it a stroker :nod:
:( oh noes!!
Dang I got a few text last nite about this and I'm just now reading this thread. Randy I sent a text gangsta. Send me your motor, Tonto and I will rebuild it for you. Will get it back to you asap.
Once we have an idea, can you post up a list of what is broken? Ill be around 3rd week in April, if its in the garage ill ship it to you. I have a low hours stock crank and some misc good tranny parts as well as the special tools for building it all up.
Im sorry to hear :'(
By the looks of it.. might not be AS bad as I thought.
one piiece of shrapnel I'm not qui9te sure what it is... bigger than a tooth from the lower timing chain gear. looks like a bearing side possibly?
And then the timing gear itself (lower one)
that's all I can see damaged from above for now.
Here's a few pics
little pieces inside the case.. got a magnet down there.. didn't pick them up.. so aluminum off the case I'm assuming.
(http://www.raptorsource.com/images/temp/broke1.jpg)
Here you can see the bolt wedged in the gear.
(http://www.raptorsource.com/images/temp/broke2.jpg)
all nekkid
(http://www.raptorsource.com/images/temp/broke3.jpg)
parked for a while again :(
(http://www.raptorsource.com/images/temp/broke4.jpg)
Definitely sucks ass, sorry to see this Randy
trying to get a list of things I need for sure
1 - timing chain
1 - lower timing gear
1 - set of timing chain sliders
my question is look at this pic:
http://www.motosport.com/atv/oem-parts/YAMAHA/2006/RAPTOR%20700/?modelyearid=2187&typeid=2&makeid=105&makeyearid=235
on the camshaft. there's 2 pins sticking out (one right and one left)
if both of those came out.. am I f*cked and need a new cam? :'(
i dont think they can just come out. pressed in i think. times the cam gear to the cam. im all worried now since i just finished puting on a head.
Just make sure you use loctite on the cam bolts and you won't have a problem...It's a mistake that anyone can make, and at least it didn't end up a lot worse.
I'm going to call Web tomorrow and get their thoughts on the cam.
I'd suggest calling up Megacycle, since its a megacycle cam :thumbs:
That's what I meant.
:lol:
I thought the lower timing gear was on the crankshaft? You need a new crankshaft?
Yeah, it's pressed onto the crankshaft and cannot order just the timing gear.
http://www.motosport.com/atv/oem-parts/YAMAHA/2006/RAPTOR%20700/?modelyearid=2187&typeid=2&groupId=88195
I'm only basing it off of what I can order for OEM parts. And it doesn't appear you can order just the gear assembly separate.
its always nice to freshen up the bottom end when you do the top end :thumbs:
i wonder what this is
<edit>
I can send Randy strip-O-grams to his house now! :clap:
lol, woot
here's a few things I was able to pull out of the crank case.
and there's the culprit of the issues as well
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm194/krandallsfury/292438119_13764_.jpg)
Not pretty.
Sir, grab a +5 HR crank if you HAVE to change the lower timing gear. My philosophy is that, if it breaks, it MUST be improved. :thumbs:
If you chicken out and go stock stroke my old crank is always FS. Id say 25-35 hours on it. Worked when I pulled it out, probably still works after its sat in a box for 9 months.
sorry to hear about this. I would highly recommend a +5 hotrods. If not you can have my very lowhour stock crank for shipping fee's. I also have a brand new bearing for inside the one case :thumbs:
Have Krandall you found someone to rebuild it yet? If not i am positive i can do it just dont know what state you live in. Im in Texas but me and my buddy do all our own work. I already had to replace tranny gears and then broke the cases again and replaced the crank. Idk how much you can get a crank for but i paid 315 for mine at my local guy. And he can get all the OEM tranny parts for cheap or i go to XtremePowersports.com. Let me know what you think.
Thanks Anthony, Tonto and 4gunz offered to help me out w/ my motor I got everything packaged up yesterday.
I have a "new" stock crank on the way as well. Kamakazi hooked me up BIG time! :clap:
It's so awesome to have guys like you on this site. Without you, all this is not possible! Thanks for everything guys!
And Badazz.. I'll hit you up if I need that bearing! ;)
No problem. If you need any help with anything else hit me up. Maybe you will have it back together soon.
I was always worried about the cam sprocket bolts coming out and getting in to the cases and tearing everything up so i locktight everything that i think could come loose and cause damage.
motor was packaged up and shipped tonight :) :woot:
Good. Hope it gets back to you better than before :thumbs:
You ship it like when you shipped it to me way back when?
for the most part yes. took a few more precautionaries this time around. But all and all. I did a "roll" test lol.
rolled the rubbermade tote around my living room floor. didn't move at all inside. should be good to go!
Cant beat the Rubbermade, I ship em all that way.
I prefer the "stair" test. Also can do it with your driveway if you live on a hill. Just roll it down and see what happens. Sad we have to resort to these methods because shipping companies cant read Fragile - this side UP
Motor arrived @ Gunz place on Tuesday.
Head arrived @ RE yesterday.
Just got off the phone w/ John. He's taking care of my cam. But he noticed that the intake valves were bent. Looks like the piston gave them a light tap. Not horrible, but bad enough. Getting new valves thrown in.
He said he also noticed that the intake port where the divider is. That there is 2 small cracks. 1 - 1"16" long and 1 about 1/8" long.
Doesn't think it's critical, but something to be aware of.
cripes. :help:
Damn Randi, when you FERK something up you dont mess around :lol:
I guess.. :help:
Go big or go home.. That's the saying right?
:lol:
Quote from: Krandall on April 09, 2010, 11:06:00 AM
I guess.. :help:
Go big or go home.. That's the saying right?
:lol:
My VW did the same thing before I went overseas :( . Its gonna be ok. What do you need? Lot of new heads being sold right now
hoping I won't need a new head. We'll find out. John just wanted to make me aware of what he's seeing.
He's fixing the cam and putting new valves in it, then it's headed to gunz place.
One piece at a time!
(http://bob2bob.com/images/projectX/crank.jpg)
That doesnt look like a stroker crank!
Yeah WTF Wandi ???
Quote from: VelociRaptor on April 11, 2010, 07:38:54 PM
That doesnt look like a stroker crank!
I think you meant to say....."MEOW!!!"
I have this big blue tupperware thing with duct tape all over it sittin in my shop. Sucked lifting it into a truck on 35's!!!
Suprise him Roy.. 8)
+8 stroker :nod:
Randy....buy stock in huggies...you'll need them :preddy:
I'm goin depends.. I hear they hold larger amounts of sh*t.. :help:
:lol:
sorry to hear about your motor randy hope its all back running stronger than before! you guys are the shit for helping him out now who wants to do my motor up???
I talked with tonto a bit late saturday night. Sounds like everything made it there! :)
:woot:
It is disassembled now!
:woot:
How's the rest of it look inside wise? touch anything in the tranny?
I'm sure something was touched by a tranny....
Not that I can see, it turns freely.
sweet. Thats what I was kind of figuring based on what I could see from the top. Looks like the bolt for the most part fell straight down and got wedged between the crank and timing gear. pretty much the best thing that could have happened out of the situation.
So. Got some pics from Tonto yesterday w/ my motor tear down. I'll hopefully have those uploaded by the end of the day here and posted in here.
When talking w/ John @ RE he mentioned that I had bent the intake valves. Suggested looking @ the piston and I should see 2 marks where it hit.
I had tonto check it out for me just out of curiosity, because when I took the motor apart @ my place I would have thought I'd see marks from that happening. Roy sent me a pic of the piston via phone. The pic was small to tell from my side but per him he said there was no marks on it what-so-ever.. So, I'm not really sure what to think right now at the moment. Thinking I'm going to wait until I get everything home and see what I see w/ the valves and give Bo a call tonight and get his thoughts. It's a Murder Mystery!
Without seeing any thing does anyone have any ideas? Pat (spartan) suggested Valve Entaglement.. and said he'd only heard of it w/ +2 or +3 valves... That was a first I'd ever heard of something like that.
As far as the motor goes. Tonto found my missing cam flange pin :woot:
From what I saw in the pics both covers were torn off and pretty much ready to rock. I believe what he said in chat today was that he took it to a parts washer today to clean out the little chunkies inside :)
progress :) whew.
I wouldn't think valve entanglement was possible with stock or +1 size valves...but stranger things have happened. If there are no marks on the piston (take a UV light to it first and see if anything shows up, could've hit really lightly) how else can a valve bend? Other possibilities I can think of the material was defective and warped under operation or they were high hour valves past their service lifetime (I doubt it based on what I know of these particular ones)...I'd like to know how it happened too cause if the top of the piston doesn't look like it was hit by a sledgehammer then something else happened....Valves just don't normally bend themselves.
It can hit when the cam chain jumps off.
I know it can hit, but why aren't there any marks on the piston if it was enough to bend the valves? Unless I'm mistaken the piston is made of a softer metal than the valves so wouldn't that be easier to mark up?
Quote from: VelociRaptor on April 21, 2010, 04:19:31 PM
It can hit when the cam chain jumps off.
I understand that. But we're not seeing any marks in the piston ???
I know it's not very big, but pretty obvious there's no marks in it. ???
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm194/krandallsfury/292438119_18237_.jpg)
my missing cam flange pin. :clap:
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm194/krandallsfury/292438119_18250_.jpg)
all tore down sweeeeeeeeeeeeet
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm194/krandallsfury/292438119_18251_.jpg)
Looking good! :thumbs:
Looks alot better now that it cleaned and getting new parts!! :clap:
Orielys brake clean, best stuff on the planet!
Quote from: VelociRaptor on April 23, 2010, 11:57:29 PM
Orielys brake clean, best stuff on the planet!
Exactly what I was thinking. I rememberd you told me about it a while ago and I've been using it eversince. Good stuff, thats fo sho!
Talked to Tonto this AM. This afternoon or Tomorrow AM the motor will be on it's way back to Minnesota! :clap:
It got a fresh new set of bearings too. Crank case crank shaft bearing and a new bearing pressed onto the crank shaft woooooot!
Now get that thing together and head to Bama for the Outlaw race!
:lol: would be a blast to go!
Let's go then Randy...I'm gonna try to make it up too.
The motor is in the mail and on its way back and should be there tuesday! I wanna see UPS mess up my packing job. Please let me know how it turns out for you Randy, and if you have any questions please give me a call. Hope you like it!!!
thanks for shipping it to me Roy :thumbs:
PS: Randy, if you ever want to see this motor again..........send more nakie pictures of Lydia.. :nod:
So, the motor's on it's way back to Minnesota :) WOOT!!!
I'd just like to stop and thank EVERYONE who has helped me out with this stupid mistake I made. Roy/Gunz. Mad props to you guys first off for stepping up and saying you'd help me out. Seriously.. If that didn't happen, I don't know where I'd be right now.. A broke down rappy w/ a "broke down" owner. Roy, You've been awesome keepin me updated (good or bad) sending me some pics to see along the way as well. (still suck telling me it'd be another week to ship.. :bird: ) :lol: Gunz. I don't even know your wife and she helped get parts to Roy for me!!! Freakin awesome. Bo, For the countless times I called you asking questions and you even calling ME to check up and see where things are at and how they are going. John @ RE. I don't know how many times I called you in 1 day lol. Had to be like 5 times within a 20 minute period. not one time did you get short or huffy with me. Just graciously answered the questions I had and no questions asked. You got my head thursday afternoon and had it out the next day!!! SERVICE DANG IT!!!! Kama, You saved my butt big time. I started looking all over for a crank in good shape. You shipped it to me, no questions asked (other than are you sure you don't wanna do a +5) But you sent it to me and didn't even charge me shipping (which I'd still like to pay you back for) Aaron, Socal, Pat, and Alkire (the initial 4 I can think of) giving me so much f*ckin chit that I didn't do a stroker....... :sit: :lol:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I dont care that we're a smaller forum. I have no doubt in my mind that we have the best members there is to have out there. I've talked to so many of you on the phone. I talk to so many of you guys more than I talk to my own family!!!! Thank you everyone for all the help to get the raptor motor back together! Its' beyond appreciated!!!!
Motor will be here on Tuesday. I have a few other parts being shipped up to my parents place and then I'll be ready to rock!!!
-randy
we are all losers. JK
THat is quite cool. :thumbs: I better see some karma blowin up for those guys. :)
Hey now I offered my stock crank too...didn't say too much about the stroker :lol: But just glad you got it all back together....Now don't forget the loctite next time :thumbs:
Happy I could help you out and get you back up and running!
I got a little "teaser" from Roy on what I should be looking for when I get my package......
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm194/krandallsfury/292438119_19774_.jpg)
ALRIGHT! A huge box shapped roll of Duct tape!
Quote from: Krandall on April 30, 2010, 08:39:29 PM
I got a little "teaser" from Roy on what I should be looking for when I get my package......
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm194/krandallsfury/292438119_19774_.jpg)
you sure that didn't come from colombia? I am missing a shipment. :peels: :lol:
just get it running already :thumbs: we will talk price later ;) j/k, favors are more valuable to me than money
We know what kinda favor you're looking for.... :jerkoff: and maple syrup....
:rofl: You're the man for hooking him up with a crank :thumbs: yours was probably better condition than mine haha
the best crank does not come from Canada. ;) :lol:
What in the hell is wrong with that box?? It took longer to pack than it did to rebuild the motor, probably cost more too! :rofl:
Its ok Randy, not everyone has balls enough for the stroker, some just get another stock crank and like to mosey around and watch the trees. Point out all the little birds and rocks as they ride. :rofl:
Only one more day until you get the motor back! :clap:
Quote from: Alkire193 on May 02, 2010, 11:02:28 AM
What in the hell is wrong with that box?? It took longer to pack than it did to rebuild the motor, probably cost more too! :rofl:
Its ok Randy, not everyone has balls enough for the stroker, some just get another stock crank and like to mosey around and watch the trees. Point out all the little birds and rocks as they ride. :rofl:
I got your bird watching right here :bird:
Will get the motor tomorrow after work and may be taking part of the day off on Wednesday to go up and put it in! :clap:
MINNEAPOLIS, MN, US 05/04/2010 5:46 A.M. OUT FOR DELIVERY
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
SWEET! Gonna take the time off tomorrow?
Yup. not sure ifI'm gonna take the whole day off or part of the day.
If you even get your motor back together before I do I will fly up there and drop another bolt in your motor!
Knowing Randy, He'll over-compensate for his previous error....
I forsee his gas cap getting Loctited on :lol:
Quote from: preddy08 on May 04, 2010, 11:11:08 AM
If you even get your motor back together before I do I will fly up there and drop another bolt in your motor!
:rofl:
:D
So.. rubbermaid.... duct taped.. check.
entire motor duct taped.... also check... :mad:
:rofl:
sob roy
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm194/krandallsfury/292438119_20415_.jpg)
Duct taped internal components...check check check check....
Quote from: Krandall on May 04, 2010, 04:45:45 PM
So.. rubbermaid.... duct taped.. check.
entire motor duct taped.... also check... :mad:
:rofl:
sob roy
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm194/krandallsfury/292438119_20415_.jpg)
you sure that's not a person? :lol:
questionable.. it could be a baby...
Thats great :clap: :lol:
a few more pics.. (from the real camera this time) :)
20mins of wrapping and 2 rolls of tape... :rofl:
(http://bob2bob.com/images/projectX/x83.jpg)
(http://bob2bob.com/images/projectX/x84.jpg)
Hey Bo,
This is what John was talking about... Looks weird. (way weird)
I don't think it's a crack in all honesty.. Is it possible for a bubble to be in the original casting? ???
Think it's something to be worried about. worth taking to a shop and having filled or run it?
If you want big res pics let me know. :thumbs:
(http://bob2bob.com/images/projectX/x85.JPG)
(http://bob2bob.com/images/projectX/x86.JPG)
i didnt see bo to tell him to come here randi but i thought i would give you my thoughts on it. would need better pics to be sure but it looks like a stress crack that probably happened after it was ported, like a flaw in the metal in the casting. without seeing bigger pics i would say you might want to get it fixed, a crack like that when heat cycled will get bigger and bigger. i cant tell if it is a crack or just a bubble. if it is just a bubble and bo did see it i am sure it is just fine to run. i mean you could fix it for about 10 bucks, just stop at a welding shop and have them throa tack on it then tough it upwith a dremel or whatever tools you have. btw thats a pretty damn good looking port :thumb:
Ive seen that before and believe I seen it in your port now that I see the pic. Its the casting line. Like I told ya on the phone, a select few of the casting lines in the divider are pretty deep and seems to not even meet together.
Here's the high res pics. just linking since they are fookin huge!
http://bob2bob.com/images/projectX/line1.JPG
http://bob2bob.com/images/projectX/line2.JPG
sweet. thanks you guys :) :thumbs:
Had to make sure that it got there intact without damage. And that nothing could get into the motor!! :rofl:
So... Reporting in after... who knows how many hours messin around... (this is paraphrased due to depression :( )
I got everything buttoned up friday late afternoon and tried to start it. It'd turn over fine, but once it'd start turning over, it'd start firing and turn over faster but never start.
Talked with John @ RE this AM. Explained everything I did. I pulled the head off to chjeck valves again this afternoon. Valves looked good. reset the timing. (noticed it had been timed to the H vs the I) Still getting the same thing.
I tried with both the PCIII plugged in and the stock stuff plugged in. No idea what to think at the moment.
My dad suggested (as well as phucker) to try for kicks a new spark plug tomorrow because they've been known to be bad out of the box new. going to try that... if it doesn't work. I'm honestly at a loss. As of now... (sucks being in minnesota w/ no one around) but the only thing I can think of is taking the motor out and sending it to someone like RE to have them put it in a frame/check it out. then while it's there I could at least have them dyno tune it as well.......
Been a weekend of kicking me in the face... quad.. no dice. decided I'd work on my coronet replacing all 4 wheel cylinders... well. couldn't get the first brake drum I worked on off...... Then my friend asked my keys to my car to move it and came back and said... how long have you had that huge crack in the windshield..
Im ready for a beer.
that sucks. after i did mine i turned it on a few times till the fuel pump shut off and it fired up pretty quick. im guessing john thought you had a compression issue. how did you check the valves? spay brake cleaner in the ports and see if any leaks out the valves as a bent valve is hard to tell with just your eye. pull the spark plug and put it in the plug. set it it in contact with metal and see if it has spark. good luck
Give me a call Randy. I know I timed the cam to the "I". Turned it over and double checked it. Seriously, give me a call.
So.. Here's where everythings at thus far.
Gunz sent me his ECU yesterday should have it today. If this doesn't work, we're meeting up some time sunday late morning/ early afternoon and going to give him my quad.
You know, even with a bad plug you should smell some serious fuel coming from the tail pipe, maybe even an occasional POP if it isnt sparking right/ at all. Did you check the plug and gapping before you tried it out? What about checking the plug against the frame or header bolt for spark?
If you dont smell fuel, check your fuses real quick.
Thats all I got right now
Quote from: Alkire193 on May 12, 2010, 10:47:37 AM
You know, even with a bad plug you should smell some serious fuel coming from the tail pipe, maybe even an occasional POP if it isnt sparking right/ at all. Did you check the plug and gapping before you tried it out? What about checking the plug against the frame or header bolt for spark?
If you dont smell fuel, check your fuses real quick.
Thats all I got right now
went through all fuses. Smell fuel, have spark.
Did you try spreading a ring of salt around the quad and saying some ancient exorcism chants?
Quote from: Spartan727 on May 12, 2010, 05:54:29 PM
Did you try spreading a ring of salt around the quad and saying some ancient exorcism chants?
duh...this is procedure #1 :lol:
Try not being a :mad: and put a stoker in it, the quad is trying to tell you something
+1 :rofl:
this may not help but its worth a try... make sure each wire going into the ECU has a good connection. Push them all in individually, happened to me once and my buddy over the weekend.
Quote from: Alkire193 on May 13, 2010, 09:56:53 PM
Try not being a :mad: and put a stoker in it, the quad is trying to tell you something
are you the quad whisperer now? Do you just make that "SHHH" sound when the rappy is acting up? :rofl:
Actually I have a thread about my quad talking to me. Look it up! :batman:
Any news yet Randy?
Will it bump start...?
Nope won't bump start either. I talked to Roy yesterday, I rechecked timing last night and it looked good still, So unsure about the gear spinning but
But??
I don't remember what I was gonna type.. lol
thinking about butts again... :lol:
When is he not thinking about butts? ???
Please forgive the stupid comment;
But be sure you're on TDC of the compression stroke when adjusting. Though in my experience with the 660 it's still possible to bump start it in this situation.
With the whole thing being out of the frame you need to double or triple check every electrical connection and of course pull that spark plug out (new or old one) and visually confirm you have spark.
He has done all that.
Quote from: Spartan727 on May 16, 2010, 07:13:01 PM
He has done all that.
I didn't read that anywhere, forgive me. I figured if he was talking about replacing the spark plug then he hadn't checked to see if he actually has spark, because if he'd already checked for spark and saw he had spark then I wouldn't expect him to be talking about changing the plug.
Yeah he has spark, the plug just keeps coming out wet..it's flooding or something like that.
No prob. Yeah, I visually saw I had spark, but figured "just for kicks" I'd change it. Same thing. And I don't think I ever said in a post it had spark. Probably only in chat.
Not sure if you read the problem, but it's kind of an odd one. Turns over. But it'll start kicking over faster and firing sort of (cant really tell its firing. just turns over faster like it's firing). I know it's firing, because if I pull the cap off the plug and turn it over, it turns over more slowly / like it should normally.
The last thought was the gear spinning on the crank. I re-checked timing yesterday, it looks great. My only "other" thought, is if there was somthing off w/ the cam timing. Everything ran fine up until the bolt dropped, but not sure what else would really cause said issues.
Did you try changing your cam back to the HC2?
what are the chances that you arent getting air to the head ??? You have spark, and you have fuel, air could be missing from that equation. or what about the kill switch? you could pull the intake off and try turning it over and put ur hand over to see if it is sucking ??? personally i think id stop checking the engine and start working my way back through the other pieces, id trust that tonto did a spectacular job assembling the engine.
Thanks for the compliment Kamakazi. This just really bugs me that it is not starting!! I want to know why. Just a very picky person and always want to make sure the work I do is good and that the person is happy with it. Just really feel bad that it is not running for him and he is having problems!!
I just have problems.
:lol:
I just have problems too...It's called modding a Raptor 700 and not knowing when to stop.
for now, I'm gonna blame....
Shawn. for giving me the deal on his X-2 cam and Phucker for giving me the deal on the +1 valves.
:lol:
I blame all of you guys for me ever putting more than handlebars on my quad.
Quote from: Spartan727 on May 18, 2010, 10:27:08 AM
I blame all of you guys for me ever putting more than handlebars on my quad.
Personally i called u a moron for pulling the spark arrestor, and i musta been right cuz it was a set of barkers the next week :nod: Friends dont let friends let Pat mod :rofl: we should start a thread on it, sorry patters just couldnt resist ;)
There is a thread...called Evolution of a Fail ;)
Just a little update since I've been slacking.
So.. quad issues, quad issues, krandall issues.
a few weeks ago, the chip twins (Funyun and Dorito) went to St. A's. They were both gracious enough to drive through St. Paul and meet me there and brought my quad to St. A's.
Since the weather was crappy, Chris (Alkire) was nice enough to tear into it a bit and see if he could find out what the issue was. All it ended up being was cam timing off by 1 tooth (not sure advanced or stupid) but... weird none the less. Everyone I had talked to suggested that w/ the tmiing off it'd still run. It ran for about 5ish mins and the headgasket blew. 4gunz and JStev took the quad with them to Oklahoma and its currently in Tonto's garage. Got a new head gasket shipped down there and a few other misc parts sent up my way. Hoping I can drive down there some time in the next few weeks to meet up w/ gunz/roy and whoever and do a mini ride on a saturday and then bust home.
Just thought I'd fill everyone in :)
I believe you were advanced one tooth
Is that pointing forward more or backward more?
I believe when I've checked timing (prior to this) if you match the line on the crank, the line on the sprocket was always pointed a bit back from where the mark on the top of the head was.
Pretty sure the flywheel was loose too causing some weird sounds.
So what's the latest update on this so far? I know the headgasket blew again at Tonto's and something about the transmission not going into 2nd gear right...
Alrighty.
Talked to Roy last...... Monday. Head was put on, just needed a few small things to button it up. Sent me a vid Tuesday evening of the rappy running WOOOOT!!!!!!!!
Got a call about 4 hours later. head gasket blew (again) and like Alkire had mentioned, it was indeed shifting strangely into 2nd gear. Luckily I had ordered a new set of case gaskets. So, once again, it's coming apart. Estimated time, not sure. I know crap is busy for everyone in the summer.
I am on it Kranny! Just really sorry about all the shit that has happened with the bike. I know what it is like to not have your quad. Just want to make sure all is good when you get it back. Plus do not want you to have to turn a WRENCH on it!! :thumbs:
Quote from: tonto13 on July 06, 2010, 04:06:37 PM
I am on it Kranny! Just really sorry about all the shit that has happened with the bike. I know what it is like to not have your quad. Just want to make sure all is good when you get it back. Plus do not want you to have to turn a WRENCH on it!! EVER!! :thumbs:
edited for accuracy :lol:
Quote from: tonto13 on July 06, 2010, 04:06:37 PM
I am on it Kranny! Just really sorry about all the shit that has happened with the bike. I know what it is like to not have your quad. Just want to make sure all is good when you get it back. Plus do not want you to have to turn a WRENCH on it!! :thumbs:
Roy, Seriously. It's no priority at all. :lol: You've been more than helpful. And Aaron. :sit:
:lol:
Well you might as well pick it up at LS :lol: It's only T-minus 3 months now.
I'm gonna set my charges on that bish and blow it to allah.
You mean you're gonna let Ethan rebuild the motor without the manual?
Quote from: Spartan727 on July 06, 2010, 06:30:07 PM
You mean you're gonna let Ethan rebuild the motor without the manual?
Still better option than wandi touching it...that bike deserves an honorable death
Quote from: tonto13 on July 06, 2010, 04:06:37 PM
I am on it Kranny! Just really sorry about all the shit that has happened with the bike. I know what it is like to not have your quad. Just want to make sure all is good when you get it back. Plus do not want you to have to turn a WRENCH on it!! :thumbs:
we don't want that either roy. :lol:
Quote from: Colorado700R on July 06, 2010, 06:30:56 PM
Quote from: Spartan727 on July 06, 2010, 06:30:07 PM
You mean you're gonna let Ethan rebuild the motor without the manual?
Still better option than wandi touching it...that bike deserves an honorable death
So should I touch it then?
Quote from: Colorado700R on July 06, 2010, 06:30:56 PM
Quote from: Spartan727 on July 06, 2010, 06:30:07 PM
You mean you're gonna let Ethan rebuild the motor without the manual?
Still better option than wandi touching it...that bike deserves an honorable death
Are you f*ckin kiddin me? :lol:
That sounds like the build i had going on about 3 months ago. I kept blowing the head gasket everytime i got on it. Finally called Team Rocket Factory and got head studs for it. It was very frustrating :mad:
I figured out the headgasket problem well over two years ago guys, wear water resistant work out pants and carry extra antifreeze with you when you ride, piece of cake :rofl:
:rofl:
Its so simple.
Do you have any pics of this said mod?
:rofl:
Found the gaskets! :thumbs:
Good job Roy :thumbs: Now make sure you yamabond all the covers closed...
:rofl: put in security bolts for everything, that way wandi cant ever mess with it :ball:
I think I am just gonna duct tape the whole quad like I did the motor before. I don't think kranny has the energy to undo that much tape! :rofl:
weld that fugger shut :lol:
Is it okay if I say thanks?
:lol:
So.....
Yet again. Been FOREVER since an update w/ the quad.
over the course of the summer, the raptor has eaten headgaskets like skittles.
5 Head Gaskets. (I expect a letter from Cometic inviting me to their company picnic)
2 Valves + 1 valves. From the +1 valves I got. when I sent the head out to RE in... May I think ???) they found the intake valves had been bent.
The last thing having issues. (thanks to phucker for helping troubleshoot this). Roy got everything put back together. Tried starting, just cranked and cranked and cranked.
Roy went over TPS, Coil, ignition, everything. Everything checked out. Ended up being. Stator was going out.
Got a new stator put in. Got word that it finally fired!!!! Head gasket holding. Quad is now @ gunny's place waiting to meet me @ Little Sahara! :)
Awesome! Just in time for :raptorrally: :nod:
Right before LS it will be 6 months since I've rode the rappy
I'm excited!
Quote from: Krandall on September 13, 2010, 02:21:03 PM
So.....
Yet again. Been FOREVER since an update w/ the quad.
over the course of the summer, the raptor has eaten headgaskets like skittles.
5 Head Gaskets. (I expect a letter from Cometic inviting me to their company picnic)
2 Valves + 1 valves. From the +1 valves I got. when I sent the head out to RE in... May I think ???) they found the intake valves had been bent.
The last thing having issues. (thanks to phucker for helping troubleshoot this). Roy got everything put back together. Tried starting, just cranked and cranked and cranked.
Roy went over TPS, Coil, ignition, everything. Everything checked out. Ended up being. Stator was going out.
Got a new stator put in. Got word that it finally fired!!!! Head gasket holding. Quad is now @ gunny's place waiting to meet me @ Little Sahara! :)
CRIPES I've been saying sator since it was having issues at Saint A's!
:blah:
Quote from: Krandall on September 13, 2010, 02:41:40 PM
Right before LS it will be 6 months since I've rode the rappy
I'm excited!
I know the feeling!
BTW, just in case you forgot:
Clutch on the left handle bar
Gas on the right
Front brake on the right
Shifter on the left foot
Rear brake on the right
Point the handle bars in the direction you want to go and push the thumb on the gas real hard!
No Gas pedals?
This will be an interesting trip..
:lol:
Quote from: VelociRaptor on September 13, 2010, 08:42:54 PM
Quote from: Krandall on September 13, 2010, 02:41:40 PM
Right before LS it will be 6 months since I've rode the rappy
I'm excited!
I know the feeling!
BTW, just in case you forgot:
Clutch on the left handle bar
Gas on the right
Front brake on the right
Shifter on the left foot
Rear brake on the right
Point the handle bars in the direction you want to go and push the thumb on the gas real hard!
:rofl:
Well, got to throw it on the dyno while in Oklahoma.
65.91HP & 50somethin torque. Will post the graph when I get home. :clap: :clap:
(http://bob2bob.com/images/LittleSahara2010/SDC12976.JPG)
Nice randy :thumbs: Pretty nice AFR too