Man.
You and hefe.. It just hits me.. I don't get why you haev all the ferkin hate for harley.
because there's bigger and better out there?
Why would you buy a car w/ out a turbo when you can buy the same one with?
blah blah blah.
its the same as the people in the car world. Oh, I don't liek rat rods because of blah blahb lah. its all bullshit. If you don't like something, that's fine but to call people out who do like it and say they are idiots or whatever... that's all on you.
At least with me givin you shit for soccer. Its 90% in jest.. I understand how its world wide known although not the most exciting... 
haters gonna hate I guess.
WHoa. I didn't call anyone an idiot. easy
The argument(as peels sees it)
Ive owned 4 motorcycles. Each time, ive been asked, by multiple people. "why not a harley?" like its the only brand out there. Ive also been told that mine is inferior because it is NOT a said harley. This is completely ridiculous. And this is where 90% of my hate comes from.
yamaha
suzuki
BMW.
all of them, all they are to people are "not harleys"
I actually dont hate HD's themselves -most of them anyhow..my best friend has one. (aside from lack of innovation, and only being produced in order to sell apparel) I just dislike that you buy it for an image, not for excellent engineering. and then people WITH NO IDEA OF WHAT OR HOW A MOTORCYCLE WORKS ALSO THINKS HD IS BETTER AND MINE IS INFERIOR, and will tell me so with absolutely no facts.
I feel like you and I have duked this out before...but the core of this issue, is not hate for harley, or calling people names who own them.... its my personal fight against the opposite of that, THEY ARE NOT BETTER. AND MINE IS NOT WORSE, SO SHUT UP.
here's your bulletpoints of what Im arguing. Im basically the opposite of the status quo that harley is. Not harley itself.
-To assume that your bike is superior because it is HD
-most people buy harleys only because they SAY HARLEY ON THEM(image)
-NON owners, who are prospective buyers, if you ask them why theyre buying one...will say, "cuz its a harley"
-To assume that mine is inferior because it is NOT an HD
-You have to look a certain way to ride one.
-The idea that loud pipes is advantageous in ANY way, when the bike is NEVER raced. image again.
-people who say "loud pipes save lives" this is complete and utter horse$Hit
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harleys must not run right if you wear a helmet, based on my observation.-more NON harley owners wear harley clothes than the owners. Again, cementing my point that its an image, not a good design.
+all of this is happening with literally no technical innovation, yet is superior to all other brands, in the minds of the unknowing. AN folks keep paying premiums for it.
really, all that bs boils down to this:
If YOU like it...GO FOR IT...but DO NOT drive around all high and mighty and convince me that its better or faster. And people who dont own bikes...
period.
Did you see any harleys at the Isle of Man? NOPE. they are heavy and slow, and corner poorly. But if you like the image, and think its worth your $... fine. Nothing wrong with that.
Motorcycle are motorcycles. you ride them.
