Well this product has been out for awhile. Any complaints so far? I need to add a stabilizer and I wanted to see how they have been holding up. Preddy, your comments don't count because you went tweaker style and tried to take yours apart as soon as you got it. :lol:
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 07:00:14 AM
Well this product has been out for awhile. Any complaints so far? I need to add a stabilizer and I wanted to see how they have been holding up. Preddy, your comments don't count because you went tweaker style and tried to take yours apart as soon as you got it. :lol:
Had no trouble what so ever.That goes for myself and 2 buddies.Well worth the money, you can notice the difference instantly.The fit is perfect,no shimming etc.First class product 8) :grin_nod: :thumbs:
Mine is doing just fine. No complaints. The only thing I MIGHT complain about is is there is no set screw that sets it to the stem. It has not been a problem for me what so ever, but I would like the extra insurence that it wont slip on the stem.
Quote from: preddy08 on June 16, 2008, 08:03:54 AM
Mine is doing just fine. No complaints. The only thing I MIGHT complain about is is there is no set screw that sets it to the stem. It has not been a problem for me what so ever, but I would like the extra insurence that it wont slip on the stem.
Even though your a tweaker and your comments don't count. :lol: So how does it set to the stem?
probably a clamp that wraps around the stem.
The Precision has a nice set screw. I'm sure you could drill/tap a hole on the CCP and put a allen head set screw in. :thumbs:
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 09:06:33 AM
probably a clamp that wraps around the stem.
The Precision has a nice set screw. I'm sure you could drill/tap a hole on the CCP and put a allen head set screw in. :thumbs:
I might do that. I'm still unsure about the ccp. I love the price but I want to make sure it's as good as the precision.
You don't want to be one step behind Krandall do you? ???
:rofl:
(j/k man) :thumbs:
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 09:36:55 AM
You don't want to be one step behind Krandall do you? ???
:rofl:
(j/k man) :thumbs:
if it works the same or better but cost less I would be a step ahead.....as always.
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 09:42:52 AM
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 09:36:55 AM
You don't want to be one step behind Krandall do you? ???
:rofl:
(j/k man) :thumbs:
if it works the same or better but cost less I would be a step ahead.....as always.
I had a PEP stick style and the two are'nt even in the same league!! I honestly could not see how the prec. stabilizer could be any better. Mine has taken some hard hits and still has not moved.
Yeah, I don't know enough about the internals about stabilizers, all I know is mine has 2 adjustment screws vs 1. ???
So anyone else here have them other then shrimpy and the tweaker?
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 10:35:26 AM
Yeah, I don't know enough about the internals about stabilizers, all I know is mine has 2 adjustment screws vs 1. ???
Does it have more adjustments?
My bike had one when u rode it Socal :thumbs: I like mine no complaints :clap:
Quote from: Sand84 on June 16, 2008, 10:43:52 AM
My bike had one when u rode it Socal :thumbs: I like mine no complaints :clap:
I didn't get on it too hard so I didn't get to see what it really felt like. If I don't have it in september I'll take it for another ride.
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 10:36:37 AM
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 10:35:26 AM
Yeah, I don't know enough about the internals about stabilizers, all I know is mine has 2 adjustment screws vs 1. ???
Does it have more adjustments?
I'll have to look at it again, It has more adjustment I know, but I'm not sure what they are.
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 10:36:37 AM
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 10:35:26 AM
Yeah, I don't know enough about the internals about stabilizers, all I know is mine has 2 adjustment screws vs 1. ???
Does it have more adjustments?
I know a couple of guys have sold their prec. stab. when they tried out the CCP. You could buy three CCP's for the price of one prec.!
Quote from: preddy08 on June 16, 2008, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 10:36:37 AM
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 10:35:26 AM
Yeah, I don't know enough about the internals about stabilizers, all I know is mine has 2 adjustment screws vs 1. ???
Does it have more adjustments?
I know a couple of guys have sold their prec. stab. when they tried out the CCP. You could buy three CCP's for the price of one prec.!
Not in my case! :P
I got a steal on mine from someone on RF parting out their bike :thumbs:
Quote from: preddy08 on June 16, 2008, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 10:36:37 AM
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 10:35:26 AM
Yeah, I don't know enough about the internals about stabilizers, all I know is mine has 2 adjustment screws vs 1. ???
Does it have more adjustments?
I know a couple of guys have sold their prec. stab. when they tried out the CCP. You could buy three CCP's for the price of one prec.!
I could also buy 5 Saturns for the price of one Porsche. I just want to make sure it is not just better in value but an equal in performance.
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 10:51:49 AM
Quote from: preddy08 on June 16, 2008, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 10:36:37 AM
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 10:35:26 AM
Yeah, I don't know enough about the internals about stabilizers, all I know is mine has 2 adjustment screws vs 1. ???
Does it have more adjustments?
I know a couple of guys have sold their prec. stab. when they tried out the CCP. You could buy three CCP's for the price of one prec.!
Not in my case! :P
I got a steal on mine from someone on RF parting out their bike :thumbs:
I remember that, I got in right after you.
There is an other group buy going on at modded raptor.
I was just stating that guys are selling their Prec. for the CCP and that the CCP is a third less money. To me its a no brainer. Also there is infinate adjustment on the CCP. You are not limited to just the clicks like others.
Quote from: preddy08 on June 16, 2008, 10:59:17 AM
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 10:51:49 AM
Quote from: preddy08 on June 16, 2008, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 10:36:37 AM
Quote from: Krandall on June 16, 2008, 10:35:26 AM
Yeah, I don't know enough about the internals about stabilizers, all I know is mine has 2 adjustment screws vs 1. ???
Does it have more adjustments?
I know a couple of guys have sold their prec. stab. when they tried out the CCP. You could buy three CCP's for the price of one prec.!
Not in my case! :P
I got a steal on mine from someone on RF parting out their bike :thumbs:
I remember that, I got in right after you.
There is an other group buy going on at modded raptor.
I was just stating that guys are selling their Prec. for the CCP and that the CCP is a third less money. To me its a no brainer. Also there is infinate adjustment on the CCP. You are not limited to just the clicks like others.
thats good to know.
Yes it only has one adjustment screw,here is a couple of pics to show how the clamp is connected to the stem.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/shrimpy_21/ccp1.jpg)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/shrimpy_21/ccp2.jpg)
Second picture,top left you can just see the adjustment screw.Pictures not very good as its my mobile phone camera :lol:
Have one on each Rappy and they have been performing very well... :thumbs: I have had no problems with the stem clamp staying tight or any other issues.....So far, the CCP has been an outstanding addition to stock...and it would be my FIRST mod on any future bikes. It really is a safety item..and it lets you go faster...Because you don`t get beat up with bump steer from the ruts and roots...and did I mention it lets you go faster...heh heh heh :grin_nod:
The Precision is a great stabilizer,also and everyone that has them loves them....but the $300.00+ difference made me try this one and I`m glad I did..........Sandaddy :)
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 10:46:44 AM
Quote from: Sand84 on June 16, 2008, 10:43:52 AM
My bike had one when u rode it Socal :thumbs: I like mine no complaints :clap:
I didn't get on it too hard so I didn't get to see what it really felt like. If I don't have it in september I'll take it for another ride.
Fo sho :thumbs:
Mine still working great :thumbs:
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 16, 2008, 04:36:47 PM
Mine still working great :thumbs:
yeah, sitting in the garage while you work nights.
:lol:
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 16, 2008, 04:36:47 PM
Mine still working great :thumbs:
yeah, sitting in the garage while you work nights.
:lol:
I rode this weekend and this morning sucka!!! :grin_nod:
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 16, 2008, 05:30:28 PM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 16, 2008, 04:36:47 PM
Mine still working great :thumbs:
yeah, sitting in the garage while you work nights.
:lol:
I rode this weekend and this morning sucka!!! :grin_nod:
Power wheels don't count.
:lol:
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 06:34:05 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 16, 2008, 05:30:28 PM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 16, 2008, 04:36:47 PM
Mine still working great :thumbs:
yeah, sitting in the garage while you work nights.
:lol:
I rode this weekend and this morning sucka!!! :grin_nod:
Power wheels don't count.
:lol:
Shit with the price of gas I might convert my Rappy to DC. I'll have to check with Randy to see what kind of batteries he runs his "toys" with ???
:rofl:
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 16, 2008, 07:07:35 PM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 06:34:05 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 16, 2008, 05:30:28 PM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 16, 2008, 04:36:47 PM
Mine still working great :thumbs:
yeah, sitting in the garage while you work nights.
:lol:
I rode this weekend and this morning sucka!!! :grin_nod:
Power wheels don't count.
:lol:
Shit with the price of gas I might convert my Rappy to DC. I'll have to check with Randy to see what kind of batteries he runs his "toys" with ???
:rofl:
:rofl:
At least you're not buying 110. :(
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 16, 2008, 07:07:35 PM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 06:34:05 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 16, 2008, 05:30:28 PM
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 16, 2008, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 16, 2008, 04:36:47 PM
Mine still working great :thumbs:
yeah, sitting in the garage while you work nights.
:lol:
I rode this weekend and this morning sucka!!! :grin_nod:
Power wheels don't count.
:lol:
Shit with the price of gas I might convert my Rappy to DC. I'll have to check with Randy to see what kind of batteries he runs his "toys" with ???
:rofl:
:rofl:
At least you're not buying 110. :(
If you come out to CO you can run Priemium :thumbs:
and spend $$$ in gas getting there. :(
I thought it would only be like three steps, Paul Bunyan :lol:
Quote from: Colorado700R on June 16, 2008, 07:15:57 PM
I thought it would only be like three steps, Paul Bunyan :lol:
Yeah, but the backpack can't fit the quad.
I've been looking into stabiliziers and I think ive found the one im eventually going to get :grin_nod:
I haven't got to use a ccp stabilizer yet, but I have a hard time believing its going to be better than a Precision considering Elka dropped the ball when they tried to out do the precision.
Hopefully I get to test out the ccp soon.
Quote from: KB Motorsports on June 17, 2008, 11:14:36 AM
I haven't got to use a ccp stabilizer yet, but I have a hard time believing its going to be better than a Precision considering Elka dropped the ball when they tried to out do the precision.
Hopefully I get to test out the ccp soon.
Welcome Kenneth :thumbs:
I doubt my CCP is as good as a percision, but It's been working well for me so far :grin_nod:
Quote from: KB Motorsports on June 17, 2008, 11:14:36 AM
I haven't got to use a ccp stabilizer yet, but I have a hard time believing its going to be better than a Precision considering Elka dropped the ball when they tried to out do the precision.
Hopefully I get to test out the ccp soon.
I don't think anyone is claiming the CCP to be better than the precision, just darn close. It may not be close enough to justify the price difference.
i should have spent the money i payed for the flexx bars i just got on one of these. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: preddy08 on June 17, 2008, 11:21:16 AM
Quote from: KB Motorsports on June 17, 2008, 11:14:36 AM
I haven't got to use a ccp stabilizer yet, but I have a hard time believing its going to be better than a Precision considering Elka dropped the ball when they tried to out do the precision.
Hopefully I get to test out the ccp soon.
I don't think anyone is claiming the CCP to be better than the precision, just darn close. It may not be close enough to justify the price difference.
I see what your saying. ;)
Quote from: KB Motorsports on June 17, 2008, 11:51:13 AM
Quote from: preddy08 on June 17, 2008, 11:21:16 AM
Quote from: KB Motorsports on June 17, 2008, 11:14:36 AM
I haven't got to use a ccp stabilizer yet, but I have a hard time believing its going to be better than a Precision considering Elka dropped the ball when they tried to out do the precision.
Hopefully I get to test out the ccp soon.
I don't think anyone is claiming the CCP to be better than the precision, just darn close. It may not be close enough to justify the price difference.
I see what your saying. ;)
I think what we're all saying is... KENNETH!!!! You should do a side by side comparison.. STAT! :clap:
Quote from: Krandall on June 17, 2008, 12:48:42 PM
Quote from: KB Motorsports on June 17, 2008, 11:51:13 AM
Quote from: preddy08 on June 17, 2008, 11:21:16 AM
Quote from: KB Motorsports on June 17, 2008, 11:14:36 AM
I haven't got to use a ccp stabilizer yet, but I have a hard time believing its going to be better than a Precision considering Elka dropped the ball when they tried to out do the precision.
Hopefully I get to test out the ccp soon.
I don't think anyone is claiming the CCP to be better than the precision, just darn close. It may not be close enough to justify the price difference.
I see what your saying. ;)
I think what we're all saying is... KENNETH!!!! You should do a side by side comparison.. STAT! :clap:
Or send them to me and I'll do it for you.
:lol:
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 17, 2008, 02:02:57 PM
Quote from: Krandall on June 17, 2008, 12:48:42 PM
Quote from: KB Motorsports on June 17, 2008, 11:51:13 AM
Quote from: preddy08 on June 17, 2008, 11:21:16 AM
Quote from: KB Motorsports on June 17, 2008, 11:14:36 AM
I haven't got to use a ccp stabilizer yet, but I have a hard time believing its going to be better than a Precision considering Elka dropped the ball when they tried to out do the precision.
Hopefully I get to test out the ccp soon.
I don't think anyone is claiming the CCP to be better than the precision, just darn close. It may not be close enough to justify the price difference.
I see what your saying. ;)
I think what we're all saying is... KENNETH!!!! You should do a side by side comparison.. STAT! :clap:
Or send them to me and I'll do it for you.
:lol:
I'll handle it for the YFZ's :grin_nod:
I have a Precision and my son has a CCP . We both have 700,s and will get to test them side by side in Baja next week. We will be on the beach "sand' hard pack roads and rocky trails so it should be good comparison. I know how well my Precision works and the CCP is great looking with good reports from forum members. So in a couple weeks when we get back I will add my .02 worth.
Quote from: fire raptor on June 17, 2008, 11:43:30 PM
I have a Precision and my son has a CCP . We both have 700,s and will get to test them side by side in Baja next week. We will be on the beach "sand' hard pack roads and rocky trails so it should be good comparison. I know how well my Precision works and the CCP is great looking with good reports from forum members. So in a couple weeks when we get back I will add my .02 worth.
Right on! I can't wait to hear what you have to say. :thumbs:
Very sweet, I can't wait to hear the first hand report!
Quote from: Krandall on June 18, 2008, 12:09:42 PM
Very sweet, I can't wait to hear the first hand report!
+1 cant wait!
Hey kenneth. Do you have a CCP on order by chance?
I have a CCP & Precision & I may just sell the CCP without trying it.
Quote from: Bert on June 21, 2008, 06:41:41 AM
I have a CCP & Precision & I may just sell the CCP without trying it.
I think it would be worth trying. If you can't tell a difference it would be better to sell the precision.
I already have a CCP (love it) but how can I get another ordered for my buddy? Group buys still goin on?
Quote from: _KP_ on June 24, 2008, 05:28:12 PM
I already have a CCP (love it) but how can I get another ordered for my buddy? Group buys still goin on?
There is a group buy going on now at moddedraptor.com
i bought a used stick type off the forum for 40 bux a while back...haven't had any complaints as of yet
Quote from: Socalrappy700 on June 21, 2008, 07:34:10 AM
Quote from: Bert on June 21, 2008, 06:41:41 AM
I have a CCP & Precision & I may just sell the CCP without trying it.
I think it would be worth trying. If you can't tell a difference it would be better to sell the precision.
Ha that means I'm lazy since I haven't swapped them yet.
We'll see what happens when I get some time off work.....(damn J O B )
ive heard good things about them
OK I just got back from Baja where we did a side by side comparison of the CCP and the Precision . I have the precision and my son has the CCP. We both have 700,s with 23 fronts and 22 rears . We both have Elka front shocks so this is as close to the same as you can get. We ride desert , beach "sand" very rocky whoops and some pavement. After 7 days of riding we both felt that the CCP was as good as the Precision for 95% of the riders that would choose to use a stabilizer. The precision has 2 adjustments while the CCP has 1 . The CCP has smooth sweep thru out the entire turning range due to 1 adjusment. The precision allows you to adjust the center and outside to different adjustments . This can be tricky to get spot on . I have had to work with mine to get it right for the beach and rocky trails. The CCP is very easy to adjust due the that 1 adjustment . This comparison was done by one old guy and one young very fast desert rider. And as with any comparison it is just our opinion on what we encounterd. Both are exellent products and while I have had the precision for two years we just got the CCP. I have had 0 problems with the precision and the CCP has only about 25 hours on it so far with 0 problems. The true test will be as we out more hours on the CCP. At almost 1/3 the cost of a precision the CCP appears to be a real value. Once again this is only our opinion and we both feel the are exellent choices which ever you decide to buy.
Great write up Fire Raptor. Thank you :thumbs:
Plus 1 Karma :grin_nod:
Thanks fire, that was a great write up. Looks like my mind is made up.
YEA! :jaw:
so where the hell do you get these? i couldnt find them on ebay and rf is hopeless.
Quote from: RR34 on July 06, 2008, 10:30:13 AM
so where the hell do you get these? i couldnt find them on ebay and rf is hopeless.
ask aaron, he found me one in a few seconds on ebay
Quote from: kyledvor61 on July 06, 2008, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: RR34 on July 06, 2008, 10:30:13 AM
so where the hell do you get these? i couldnt find them on ebay and rf is hopeless.
ask aaron, he found me one in a few seconds on ebay
u gettin one?
Quote from: RR34 on July 06, 2008, 12:17:18 PM
Quote from: kyledvor61 on July 06, 2008, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: RR34 on July 06, 2008, 10:30:13 AM
so where the hell do you get these? i couldnt find them on ebay and rf is hopeless.
ask aaron, he found me one in a few seconds on ebay
u gettin one?
im not sure right now ???
i know i want to get a stabilizer just not sure if i want a puck or rod type.
Quote from: RR34 on July 06, 2008, 12:42:50 PM
i know i want to get a stabilizer just not sure if i want a puck or rod type.
pucks are supposed to be a lot better and CCP's are cheap and good too
Strut style are rebuildable
IMO the strut style are not worth it when a CCP is going for the same price as a strut style w/ 1 rebuild.
The CCP is high qaulity 8)
Quote from: Bert on July 06, 2008, 05:05:06 PM
Strut style are rebuildable
IMO the strut style are not worth it when a CCP is going for the same price as a strut style w/ 1 rebuild.
The CCP is high qaulity 8)
+1
Couldn't agree more.. It's realy hard to say as I've never had a stick type, nor do I know the ride time before a rebuild is needed BUT. There's a reason all the pro's use the puck style vs. stick.
I had a PEP style stabilizer and sold it because it SUCKED ASS!!!! I had to take it off the check my oil :jaw: that was fun as shit, let me tell ya. It only had two setting, and they were both stiff as hell!!
I got the CCP and could not be happier, I added a lock screw to the clamp last weekend for a little piece of mind.
Quote from: preddy08 on July 07, 2008, 08:07:51 AM
I had a PEP style stabilizer and sold it because it SUCKED ASS!!!! I had to take it off the check my oil :jaw: that was fun as shit, let me tell ya. It only had two setting, and they were both stiff as hell!!
I got the CCP and could not be happier, I added a lock screw to the clamp last weekend for a little piece of mind.
+1 same here :thumbs:
Quote from: Krandall on July 07, 2008, 06:19:01 AM
Quote from: Bert on July 06, 2008, 05:05:06 PM
Strut style are rebuildable
IMO the strut style are not worth it when a CCP is going for the same price as a strut style w/ 1 rebuild.
The CCP is high qaulity 8)
+1
Couldn't agree more.. It's realy hard to say as I've never had a stick type, nor do I know the ride time before a rebuild is needed BUT. There's a reason all the pro's use the puck style vs. stick.
because they get them for free.... :rofl: :rofl:
i guess ill go with a CCP if i can find one. cheap and has not had a bad review yet that ive seen.
I'll post CCP purchase info soon, stay tuned :thumbs:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories_ATV-Parts-Accessories__Yamaha-Raptor-700-steering-stabilizer-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ270295734816QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQadnZATVQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQddiZ2811QQadiZ2869QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270295734816&_trkparms=39%3A1|65%3A10|240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245
is this the wondeful CCp everyone has or is this just a knock-off?
Thats the guy. :thumbs:
My son and I just did a 700 mile ride in Baja. Lots of very rocky washed out roads and sand with some pavement. He cannot say enough good things about his CCP. The unit performed great with 0 problems. Ditto for my Precision. We now have over 1000 miles on the CCP and it is the best Value on the market. Notice I did not say the best stabilizer as that can be debated for ever but for the $$$$ the CCP is the best value.
Quote from: fire raptor on November 05, 2008, 11:08:05 AM
My son and I just did a 700 mile ride in Baja. Lots of very rocky washed out roads and sand with some pavement. He cannot say enough good things about his CCP. The unit performed great with 0 problems. Ditto for my Precision. We now have over 1000 miles on the CCP and it is the best Value on the market. Notice I did not say the best stabilizer as that can be debated for ever but for the $$$$ the CCP is the best value.
:jaw: dude invite me next time :grin_nod:
Your only invited if the UPS girl comes with :grin_nod:
guess im not goin :rofl:
The UPS girl is nothing compared to the girl he was dating ? Still ? Calexi we had a great ride . Are you up and running yet?
we are sorta datin, my bike isnt ready yet :( ive had bad luck with the cylinder, it was bored at an angle , i found other cylinders but they were no good, i finally got one
I have a CCP stabilizer I bought this summer and I really like it. Mine came with a set screw in the steering stem clamp. I was told that they are fully rebuildable by the guy who makes them. I had zero problems mounting it and used lock tite where needed, it also looks great. It really makes a difference, definately worth the coin. :thumbs:
I guess I better get mine mounted up!!!
(http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/GAZ4x4/Quad%20pics/ccpstabilizer003.jpg)
That CCP steering stabilizer is looking Very Nice 8)
would look sweet anodized. 8)
that is nice lookn, i didnt know they said raptor on them :nana:
i know this is a old thread, but it helped me make my purchase. CCP now on order!:)
congrats man... like I've told quite a few others... Before you install it.. hit up a bumpy trail. Ride the heck out of the rapppy... go back.. put it on, and hit the same trail.... make sure you post the experience. It's amazing the difference :grin_nod:
yea so i threw the CCP on and it really did make a difference. we always race this small track around my boys house and it increased my top lap time by about 2 seconds:) now i am the lap record holder at his house!!!
Where can I buy one?
Get ahold of him here: customcncparts@yahoo.com :thumbs: